December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

PGP Signatures
by ahoier＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone know where I can get a PGP Signature on the Net. I usually just read the mailing lists posts BTW I think this is my first Post on this list. I'm a begginer to Cryptography and when I heard about it sounded like a cool subject and it is!!!!! I f somebody could please e-mail me some more info on crypto and PGP Signatures. I would really appreciate it. ADAM HOIER Adam Hoier E-MAIL ME AT: ahoier(a)juno.com Life is like a big box of Chocolates :Forrest Gump

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Adding Memory to the Net
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A few people have commented on my "Distributed Network Cache Service" suggestion since I posted it, and I would like to respond to their comments. The basic idea here is to add memory to the Net in a reliable way, so that the Net provides memory services in the way it now universally provides data transport services. The Net would then serve compressed encrypted Octet Strings to machines connected to it, and provide a consistant view of which Octet Strings were available at any point in time which was independent of the access point. Adding Octet Strings to the universe of available ones, with a specified lifetime, would involve a micropayment. Computers connected to the Net could then employ either Octet Strings or fixed length data consisting of a cryptographic hash and decryption key to describe any chunk of data, which would reduce the storage requirements of hosts accordingly. Replication and synchronization of data would be the responsiblity of the totality of machines providing the cache service, and would augment the storage capacity of ordinary hosts which often replicate data excessively and synchronize it poorly. As Lucky Green correctly points out, since the cache service would effectively serve prepared digital coccoons whose contents were not visible to it, protocols would be needed to ensure that data was not spoofed. However, this is a "who do cache servers trust to give them data" issue, and not a "how do we serve the data and provide a Network-wide consistant view of the database" issue. Such a system, implemented efficiently, could carry the Eternity service, reliable network news, and serve as a distribution point for all freeware. It could have terabytes of storage, using a fraction of the resources now consumed by the endlessly replicated news spools of hosts on the Net. It would be as uncensorable as Usenet, and survive the destruction or compromise of a large number of cache servers in the system. It would be reliable, and no ones data would be visible to anyone else. I think such a service is the "World File System" reduced to its most basic principles, upon which endless other useful services may be based. Comments? -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch(a)zipcon.com $ via Finger $ {Free Cypherpunk Political Prisoner Jim Bell}

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim's right. I was curious about the spam and spent a lot of time trying to look up the company. It was late, got lazy, and so emailed asking about the area code. Also thought others may have received it. Tim's point, though, is well taken. It didn't belong on this list - so Tim, you got this one.... --------------------- Tim May wrote: >Typical of how "anonymous" messages are flooding >the list. > >The author sends us useless spam, and doesn't even >know how to use Area Code lookup service. > >BTW. "he geographical location for area code 810 is >Michigan (major cities: >Flint, Detroit). " >(via 555-1212.com) > >I may soon have to put all of the remailers in >my killfile.

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

bureau42 Anonymous Remailer wrote: > > Tim's right. I was curious about the spam and spent > a lot of time trying to look up the company. It was > late, got lazy, and so emailed asking about the area > code. Also thought others may have received it. Turned out to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Re: Crypto best book
by Feanor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Aug 30, 22:40, "David E. Smith" wrote: } Subject: Re: Crypto best book > > > > What is the best book about cryptography ? > > > > > > Although "best" is certainly subjective, Nine out of Ten Cypherpunks (TM) > > > recommend Bruce Schneier's "Applied Cryptography." > > > > > > http://www.counterpane.com/applied.html > > > > Bruce did a lousy job on this book. > > > > If his is the first or the only book you read on the subject of > > cryptography, your knowledge base will be seriously deficient. Is this because of the mathematical mistakes, or is there other stuff? Certainly his 'real-world' grasp seems excellent, and it's an enjoyable read, which says a whole hell of a lot, I think, given the topic. I got an ad for 'The Handbook of Applied Cryptography' from a conference, is it any good? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBNAjaRxkU7YRPCnEJAQFOcwH9GUQbNmkzLB/UxiIyk1UbTNcUMkmkY1JQ RGtuvqV3iv6+oOrI2LOMB1I7FFcXFaXrdMtML53YX6KzuKNSul/f1Q== =PFot -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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THANKS!!!!! A BUNCH!!!!!
by ahoier＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think somebody on this list (I think on this list) gave me a PGP Signature and I just wanna say thank you so much!!!! But what i'd like to know is what does the PGP Signature really mean????? Like for example what does my PGP Signature mean Alls it is is a bunch of letters. Could someone privately e-mail me some info on cryptography web sites?????? THANKS -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 MessageID: HyRMcbGm8DN7BxUVL/6EunpyDLmTX8Wj iQA/AwUBNAneIl7MfpC8gEO7EQIOIgCeM6giFdXXS1Idut3q941mSEEc8CAAoITk 142XgrvDAUe3CMwH4jTRiJZi =jvrj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Court docs in Salgado/"Smak" case
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was over at the federal courthouse in SF on Friday, and copied documents from the court's file in _US v. Salgado_, the case which got national front-page coverage last week in which the defendant, a 30-something resident of Daly City, was able to gain access to many credit card numbers through security holes at some un-named ISP's. The documents (complaint + affidavit, indictment, pretrial release memo, and motion to seal record) are online at <http://www.parrhesia.com/smak/>, and also available at <http://jya.com/smak.htm>. The files were graciously and skillfully transferred from paper to digital/HTML format by John Young (thanks, John). I found this file interesting for two reasons: 1. Salgado used an unspecified crypto app/algorithm to encrypt his communications with his co-conspirator, an informant working for the FBI. (Details found in the affidavit accompanying the complaint). This case, a high-profile and high-value credit card/access fraud case, was brought quickly to a favorable conclusion for law enforcement, despite the use of crypto - there's no indication that crypto use hindered law enforcement at all. 2. The government has filed a motion to seal the transcripts of Salgado's guilty plea, because in the course of pleading guilty, he revealed the identity of some of his victims; the government would prefer that the public not learn which ISP's had security inadequate enough to protect their customers' and customers' customers credit cards. (Criminal defendants, as part of a guilty plea, are required to tell the court in their own words what it is that they did that constituted the crime - this is intended to help prevent defendants into being tricked/coerced into guilty pleas to crimes they don't understand.) The government's motion was filed on 8/25/97; no opposition was filed, and I don't believe it has been granted (yet). -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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No Subject
by nobuki nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Information
by Harry Regan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Information, please! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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"Smack" the lawyer of your choice...but smack!
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

GEORGE D. HARDY Assistant U.S. Attorney 4. I have been advised by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that the public release of the identity of the two victims could cause serious financial and security difficulties for the victims. Until now, the victims have been identified only to the defense, as part of the criminal discovery in the case. Silly me, I thought the people who had their credit card information exposed were the victims. 5. The difficulties facing these victims include the probability that additional hackers will seek to challenge these computer systems, once the defendant's successful efforts are revealed; and the loss of business due to the perception by others ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that computer systems may be vulnerable. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Uh... Excuse me, Dude, but I believe that's how life works. Unless, of course, the government steps in to cover up the facts to the benefit of rich corporations and to the detriment of their gullible customers. 8. The defendant's counsel was contacted regarding this motion. She expressed a willingness to agree to it, but only if the government agreed to limit in some way the government's appropriate public release of the defendant's guilty pleas as a deterrent to others. Such an arrangement was not acceptable to the government. Defendant's counsel therefore indicated that she would like to file an opposition to this motion; but would agree that pending the resolution of this issue, that the identities of the victims could be protected. The cunt sold her client down the river for a good tee time with the prosecutor at a private golf course. Put her in charge of defending Terry McNicols. "Smak" delivered an encrypted CD containing over 100,000 stolen credit card numbers. After the validity of the credit card information was confirmed through decryption of the data on the CD, "Smak" was taken into custody by the FBI. And the 100,000 people were immediately notified that their credit cards had been compromised? I fucking doubt it. Better to screw over 100,000 citizen-units than expose the incompetence of a few companies and the government's fight against strong encryption and computer security. ShitMonger

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Crypto FAQs
by Dave K-P 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone wrote: > Dose Cypherpunks have an FAQ? and dose it need one? There is a "cypherpunk FAQ", but you'd be better off reading the sci.crypt FAQs first. Consult your favorite search engine for locations.

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International Relations
by Dave K-P 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"[I]t seems pretty clear that no civilized people will ever again permit its government to enter into a competitive armament race." -- Nicholas Murray Butler (President of Columbia University), quoted in the Literary Digest, October 17, 1914

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Rabid Wombat wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Anonymous wrote: > > > "Smak" delivered an encrypted CD containing over 100,000 stolen > > credit card numbers. After the validity of the credit card information > > was confirmed through decryption of the data on the CD, "Smak" was > > taken into custody by the FBI. > > > > And the 100,000 people were immediately notified that their credit > > cards had been compromised? I fucking doubt it. Better to screw over > > 100,000 citizen-units than expose the incompetence of a few companies > > and the government's fight against strong encryption and computer > > security. > > I was recently notified by a bank that issued one of my credit cards that > my card number had been sold, along with thousands of other account > numbers, to an undercover FBI agent. The bank canceled my account, opened > a new one, and overnighted a replacement card. No big deal, and no loss > to me. > > OTOH, it *might* have been in response to a different incident. Keep > those paranoid rants coming. Why don't you tell us the name of the company that has such lousy computer security that your credit was placed in jepoardy, so that we can decide if we want to avoid doing business with them? RantMonger

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Encouraging News - France
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From <http://www.ft.com/hippocampus/8e46a.htm> >Encryption technology: French boost for internet software >MONDAY SEPTEMBER 1 1997 >By Andrew Jack in Paris >France is poised to liberalise regulations on computer encryption >technology which could boost its efforts to encourage development of the >internet. >The government is shortly to publish an official decree which would for >the first time allow easy access to and use of software which encodes >sensitive information in order to protect it from unauthorised >interception. >The move could prove especially important for companies attempting to >sell products and services over the internet, but which have been >concerned about their protection of credit card numbers and other >financial information provided by their customers. > >France remains one of the few western countries to impose such >restrictive legislation on encryption, with only certain categories of >users currently allowed to use the software. >Other nations which continue to restrict the use of cryptography tightly >in order to control the transfer of sensitive information include Iraq, >Libya, Singapore and China. >While many more countries - including EU member states and the US - >restrict the export of sophisticated encryption technology as a product >important to national security, most have more liberal guidelines >concerning the circulation and application of software within their own >borders. >The new decree in France follows a 1996 telecommunications regulation >law, which opened the way to liberalisation of encryption software but >which has so far not led to publication of any details of how the >measures could be applied. >The latest move comes after Lionel Jospin, the prime minister, made a >speech last week highlighting the "delay" in France of uptake of the >internet and promising initiatives to give it a higher priority. >--------- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys - Send Email Subject "Get PGP Key" "One of the deep mysteries to me is our logo, the symbol of lust and knowledge, bitten into, all crossed with in the colors of the rainbow in the wrong order. You couldn't dream of a more appropriate logo: lust, knowledge, hope, and anarchy." -- Gassee - Apple Logo

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord ?"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"cracker"} = "<remailer(a)anon.efga.org> cpunk mix remix pgp hash ksub esub latent cut ek reord post"; $remailer{'redneck'} = '<config(a)anon.efga.org> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"bureau42"} = "<remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"neva"} = "<remailer(a)neva.org> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub ?"; $remailer{"lcs"} = "<mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> mix"; $remailer{"medusa"} = "<medusa(a)weasel.owl.de> mix middle" $remailer{"McCain"} = "<mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> mix middle"; $remailer{"valdeez"} = "<valdeez(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"arrid"} = "<arrid(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"hera"} = "<goddesshera(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"htuttle"} = "<h_tuttle(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix reno winsock) (weasel squirrel medusa) (cracker redneck) (nym lcs) (valdeez arrid hera) The remailer list here has been out of date for some time, but should be up to date now. I'm still working on updating the web page. Last update: Mon 1 Sep 97 6:49:30 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com +++++++**+*+ 18:43 99.99% weasel config(a)weasel.owl.de --+++-++++- 1:36:13 99.95% bureau42 remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org -------..--- 5:27:26 99.94% nym config(a)nym.alias.net +#+###* #### 1:28 99.82% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net +**++* *+*** 11:22 99.68% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net ---+..----- 6:54:29 99.64% neva remailer(a)neva.org ** +#*+-+*#+ 17:59 99.55% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de ------_---- 3:56:24 99.35% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net + +- -+++..+ 4:18:57 99.02% hera goddesshera(a)juno.com ---.------- 8:07:05 98.39% arrid arrid(a)juno.com ----+ --- - 5:23:18 96.51% redneck config(a)anon.efga.org #*#+*#* - 36:25 95.93% cracker remailer(a)anon.efga.org ++++++++ 38:21 90.88% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca ++++++++ 51:19 88.75% replay remailer(a)replay.com +** +*** 11:21 88.18% valdeez valdeez(a)juno.com -------- 7:02:22 63.69% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Patel's Opinion
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John and Stanton, Greg Broiles fedexed us a clear, scannable copy of Patel's August 25 Opinion, which we've digitized and formatted, in case EFF wants to use it to supplement the admirable volunteer effort: http://jya.com/bernstein-III.htm (93K)

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No Subject
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:55 PM 8/26/97 +1000, A non-stoned David Formosa wrote: >I take a second sample from our plunger wealding cop, its the blood of a >homospapain i.e. a human. > >The cop can't become inhuman by any action thay take. Humans can be very kind and polite, or they can just be murdering assholes. So in Dave's defense, despite the fact he made an argumant sounding like he was on crack, I have to say that plungering someone is part of human nature. We're all capable of things along that line, and anyone who thinks otherwise must have forgotten about the holocaust. Does that make it any less wrong to do that? Fuck no. That cop should still go to prison for life, at least.

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The End of Politics
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The End of Politics Every 500 years or so Western history seems to reach a turning point: the founding of democracy (Athens, c. 500 B.C.), the death to Christ, the fall of the Roman Empire and beginning of the Dark Ages (c. 500 A.D.), the ascendancy of the Catholic Church and beginning to the Middle Ages (c. 1000 A.D.) and the Renaissance (c. 1500 A.D.). These points of inflection are often evidenced by a dramatic raise in corruption and lack of faith in institutions. At the start of the 16th century few could have imagined a secular Europe. Though its rampant decadence and debauchery was widely known, the Catholic Church permeated almost every aspect of life and its economic tentacles denominated all commerce. Yet by 1600 many city states had thrown off the ecclesiastical yolk and Protestantism was born. With the near constant stream of corruption revelations and the inability of the political process within the nation-states to deal with important social issues, it isn't hard to see the reflections in current events. Many claim our nation has diverged very far from its founding roots and, through expansive Supreme Court, Executive and Legislative Branch actions, the Feds have laid claim to almost every facet of American life not specifically nailed down in the Constitution (and many we thought were). Two turning points were catalyzed by military technology (metal armor and gunpowder) which dramatically altered the economic scale and payback for violence. We may be nearing the end of another such military technology cycle, which for the last 200 years favored those states which could muster the largest economies for warfare. With the fall of the Soviet Union it is obvious that democracies were able to extort more GNP through taxes than the communist could through outright state ownership of property. However, the cost of producing weapons of mass destruction (especially chemical and biological) has fallen dramatically and is now within reach not only of small nations but increasingly individuals. If one accepts that the wielding of such power has been instrumental in shaping world politics then the conclusion is almost inescapable that dominance by nation-states will be on the wane. The last turning point was also catalyzed by information technology: the moveable type printing press, the first mass-production technology. By 1500 hundreds of European printing presses had churned out over 20 million books. Early expectations were that the press would reinforce the use of Latin and the Church, but most Europeans were monoglot and few authors could compose satisfactory new Latin works. The rest, as they say, is history. Many have compared the Internet with the press and it's not unfair to characterize it as nothing short of an information revolution. The victory of the Western democracies over their Communist opponents was a political watershed. With no Soviet bogeyman to wave in front of voters, and the need to maintain their self-importance, politicians have had to reach into the bag for new villains. They have invoked the new Four Horseman (terrorists, pornographers, money-launderers and drugs-dealers ) as a threat with which only they can effectively deal. Only they can't and they know it. These issues are either outside their control, no matter what restrictive laws they pass, or of their own making. The Internet will play a key part in disintermediating governments and markets. To escape heavy regulatory burdens, significant information-based business, investments and individuals will become jurisdiction-less. With their ability to regulate and tax Internet commerce and content denied a major source of revenue will evaporate which be which cannot be replaced by sales and property taxes. This will spell the end of mass wealth redistribution and signal a massive global down-sizing of government. As the power of the nation-states to dictate world affairs slips, look for an eclipse of democracy and with it politics as we know it. Western thought is so infused with politics that few can imagine society without. Yet politics in the modern sense, the preoccupation with controlling and rationalizing the power of the state, is mainly a modern invention. It will end with the modern world just as the tangle of feudal duties and obligations which engrossed the attentions of people in the Middle Ages ended with the Middle Ages. --Steve

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Re: Encouraging News - France
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I should've added to my last post that not only am I skeptical that citizens in France will be able to use truly strong, unbreakable crypto, but that the "encouraging news" is quite likely just the opposite. No solution which involves key escrow or "mandatory voluntary" key recovery is "encouraging." The French do not have a solid basis for protection of free speech, as the United States (mostly) does. We Americans can point to the First Amendment and pretty much nuke any proposals to place prior restraint on the forms or content of speech, including the languages we speak to each other in, whether Navaho, Urdu, or PGP. This is why so many of us are opposed to SAFE, which for the sake of eased export requirements would infringe on domestic use of crypto. (By felonizing crypto use in conjunction with a crime, and that crime could be any one of thousands of crimes on the books.) So, I doubt strongly the news out of France is "encouraging." Rather, I expect France is about to fall into line with the OECD agreements on escrowed encryption. As so many Cypherpunks apparently like to say, "Feh." --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Encouraging News - France
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > >I should've added to my last post that not only am I skeptical that >citizens in France will be able to use truly strong, unbreakable crypto, >but that the "encouraging news" is quite likely just the opposite. > >No solution which involves key escrow or "mandatory voluntary" key recovery >is "encouraging." Tim's nailed this. Expect the US, and other Wassenaar signators, to announce similar regulations ostensibly in support of privacy and commerce that will include GAK to assure public and national security. This is House National Security Committee chair Solomon's position, the next stop for SAFE, and as TM notes, where it will be further eviscerated to fit TLA requirements. This is the public policy agenda of the McCain-Kerry Bill. This is BXA's goal in the current draft regs circulating for comment, and probably what's coming in the Wassenaar implementation, while it engenders complicity from commercial license seekers with one-by-one approvals. This is DoJ's argument in Bernstein for controlling object code while avowing total support for academic freedom and freedom to publish print in deference to the 1st Amend. It looks as though the fall crypto campaign is about to open with a rush, worldwide. Stories being fed to journalists, draft regs being dealt to collaborators, license approvals for sure bettors. Up-yours to all the rest who don't want to, in smooth-tongue Stewart Baker's phrase, "French kiss NSA/BXA."

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17 Dec '03

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I obtained a list for $35.00 from a company mentioned in one of the reports that I received by responding to the program. The great thing about e-mail is that I didn't need any money for printing or to send out the initial mailing! E-mail is free. The only cost is the pennies it cost to fill each order. In less than 1 week, I was receiving orders for Report #1. Before long, I had received 22 orders for report #1. When you read the guarantee in the program, you will see that to be guaranteed $50,000 "YOU MUST RECEIVE 15-20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN THE FIRST TWO WEEKS! IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS. Since I had received 22 orders for Report #1, the first step in making $50,000 in 20-90 days was done. Shortly thereafter, I had received 143 orders for report #2. In the guarantee, it states that "YOU MUST RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS OR YOU SHOULD SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS." ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 YOU SHOULD SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS. SIT BACK AND RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL! Well, I had 43 more orders for report #2 than I needed, so I relaxed. With my E-Mailing of 5,000 I have received $52,000... ALAN B. Philadelphia, PA Remember that opportunities like this don't work if you don't try them. Also, it is very important to follow the program exactly. Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. This could cost you a lot of money in lost orders. You don't have to send out 5,000 e-mails if you do not want to. E-mail everyone you know, 50, 100 or so people. We recommend that you send out at least 1,000. Once you obtain a list (or use the search engines on your Internet browser) you can send 1,000 e-mails in about 2-3 hours depending on your modem speed. KEEP IN MIND, IF YOUR GOAL IS $50,000... Always follow the guarantee15-20 orders for report #1 and 100 or more orders for Report #2 and you will make $50,000. A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed information and reports, you should have determined that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for ten years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that I had always done but they were not working. Following the old saying "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER", I determined that traditional methods of making money will not allow you to "get rich" or make significant advances up the ladder of success, inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you a LARGE amount of money with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can use the money to pay off bills, start another business or whatever you want. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of your money, nor will anyone else that has provided a testimonial for the program. I have already made over FOUR MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program to pursue other interests. By the spring of next year, I wish to market my concepts through a partnership with America On Line. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED it works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to email a copy of this exciting program to everyone that you can think of. One of the people that you e-mail to could send out 50,000 programs and your name will be on every one of them. Remember the more that you send out, the more potential customers you will reach. Before you consider deleting the program from your hard drive, get out a pencil and figure out the WORST possible response. You will see that no matter how you figure, YOU WILL MAKE MONEY... Paul Johnson, Raleigh HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU MONEY! Let's say that you decide to start with 2,000. Assume that you send out 2,000 programs. Nationwide, email response averages between 2%-5%, but lest assume the worst and say that your mailing receives .5% response. That's 10 orders for report #1. Remember, most people are greedy, they send out more than 2,000 programs-5,000-50,000 but once again, lets assume the worst and say that those 10 people send out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000 programs. Out of those, .5% or 100 people respond and order report #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. Out of those, .5% or 1,000 Order report #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 each for a total of 2,000,000. The .5%response adds up to 10,000 orders for report #4. Add it up... That's 10,000 $5 bills for you for report #4 or $50,000, 1,000 $5 bills for report #3 or $5,000, 100 $5 bills for report #2 or $500, and 10 $5 bills for report #1 or $50. $50,000+$5,000+$500+$50= $55,550!!! Sound unbelievable??? That's how multilevel marketing works...and remember, this was a "WORST CASE" example. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL MONEYMAKING OPPORTUNITY. Multi-Level Marketing is being taught at HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL. INSTRUCTIONS STEP (1) Order all 4 reports listed by name and number. Do this by ordering the REPORT from each of the 4 names listed on the next page. For each report, send $5 cash along with a self addressed, stamped envelope (Business Size #10) to the person listed for the specific report. International orders should include $1 extra for postage. Remember that those received without self addressed stamped envelopes will not be sent. It is essential that you specify the name and number of the report requested to the person. You will need all 4 reports because you will be re-printing and re-selling them. Do not alter the names or sequence in any way, and ALWAYS provide same day service on all orders. STEP (2) Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with yours, moving the one that was there down to Report #2. Drop the name and address under report #2 down to Report #3 moving the one that was there down to report #4. The name and address that was under report #4 is dropped from the list and this party is no doubt on their way to the BANK. MAKE SURE YOU TYPE EACH NAME AND ADDRESS ACCURATELY! AND ABSOLUTELY DO NOT MIX UP THE NAME AND REPORT POSITIONS! STEP (3) Having made the required changes to the list, save it and all of the attached information as a text (.txt) file in it's own directory to be used with whatever email program that you like. Again, Report #3 will tell you the best methods of bulk emailing and acquiring email lists. STEP (4) Email a copy of the entire program (all of it is very important) to everyone whose email address you can get your hands on. Start with friends and relatives since you can encourage them to take advantage of this fabulous opportunity. That's what I did and they love me now more than ever. You can get email lists from companies on the Internet who specialize in this-more info will be included the reports. These lists are cheap, 10,000 names for about $35.00. IMPORTANT: You will not get good response if you use an old list, so request a new list. You will find out where to get these lists when you purchase all 4 reports. OR, if your needs are small, use your browser's search engines and you should be able to send about 1,000 programs in just a few hours at absolutely no cost for addresses, postage or anything. Just remember to send only 5 or 10 at a time or the header list at the top of the message will be too long and none will read it (This will be explained in one of the reports). OR...if you are more ambitious, one of the reports contains information on obtaining a bulk email list and bulk mailing to 10,000, 20,000 or even 100,000! REQUIRED REPORTS SEND A STAMPED, SELF-ADDRESSED ENVELOPE ALONG WITH $5 CASH FOR EACH REPORT AND REQUEST THE REPORT BY NUMBER AND NAME ***REPORT #1 "How to make $250,000 through multilevel sales" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: DELCOM P.O. Box 916 Walnut Cove, NC 27052 ***REPORT #2 "Major Corporations and Multilevel Sales" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: IMC Corp. P.O. Box 483 Newton Square, PA 19073 ***REPORT #3 "Sources for the Best Mailing Lists" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: Last Creation 103 Jefferson Circle Charles Town, WV 25414 ***REPORT #4 "Evaluating Multi-level Sales Plans" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: GMA PO Box 16182 Philadelphia, PA 19114-0182 CONCLUSION You can use the money you earn with this program to start a business, get out of debt or JUST SPEND IT. If you do not take advantage of this opportunity, you will have missed out. Please feel free to write the sender of this information and you will get a prompt reply. You will be offering a legitimate product to people. After they receive the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. The product is a series of 4 Financial and Business Reports. The information in these reports will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, it will help you in any other business decisions that you will make in years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint and resell the reports. The one and two page reports can easily be reproduced at a copy center for about 3 cents per copy. Best wishes and Good Luck! TIPS FOR SUCCESS: Send for your 4 reports immediately so that you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive the $5 for the report, you MUST send out the report! Title 18, sections 1302 and 1341 of the Postal Code state that "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED". WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO COME: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box if you prefer. 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program, specifically following the instructions. 4. Obtain as many email addresses as you possibly can until you receive the information on how to obtain an emailing list. 5. Decide on the number of programs that you wish to send out. Remember, the more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, be ready to fill orders. 7. Copy the 4 reports so that you are able to send them out as soon as you receive the order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS THAT YOU RECEIVE 8. Make certain that the letter and reports are neat and legible. YOUR GUARANTEE The check point for the program is simply this: You must receive 15-20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must, if you don't, email out more programs until you do. 2 weeks later, you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, email more programs until you do. Once you receive 100 requests for REPORT # 2 sit back and relax, you are going to make $50,000-it is a mathematically proven guarantee! ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Received: from mrin39.mail.aol.com (mrin39.mail.aol.com [152.163.116.77]) by mrin37.mx.aol.com with SMTP; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:20:03 -0400 Received: from ha1.ntr.net (ha1.ntr.net [206.112.0.10]) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id SAA06270; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ntr.net (s5.wirecom.com [206.162.54.5]) by ha1.ntr.net (NTR*NET 2.1.0) with SMTP id SAA16995; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:19:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Delcon(a)Aol.com Received: from Mailhost.AOL.COM by Danny365(a)Aol.com (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA07455 for <Tdave(a)juno.com>; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:19:50 -0600 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 97 18:19:50 EST To: Tdave(a)juno.com Subject: Members(a)aol.com Message-ID: <187705689444 Frr64353(a)AOL.com> Reply-To: Mailhost.Member(a)Aol.com X-UIDL: 58585858585858585858585858585845 Comments: Authenticated sender is <requested(a)aol.com>

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Top 10 Ways to Make a Grouchy Old CypherPunk Smile -------------------------------------------------- #10) Find his shoes for him. #9) Buy Kent Crispin a Dr. Kevorkian gift-certificate. #8) Nuke Washington DC #7) Send ten copies of this back to Vulis. #6) Shoot a Fed. #5) Shoot David Downey. #4) Heavily spam the clueless number of AOLers asking to be on the list. #3) Hang a disemboweled Paul Pomes from a tree. #2) Prank call John Gilmore to tell him what a cocksucker he is. #1) [This space reserved for T.C. May]

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:23 AM 8/29/97 +1000, you wrote: >The aol idiots are a joke right ?? Someone keeps faking the address ?? > >Or are aol'ers this stupid ?? If they are faking, it's a nice forgery. But I doubt it. AOLers are usually this dumb, while for some odd reasons, some smart AOLers exist. Of course, consider they aren't too smart if they stick with an Orwellian online service that treats it's customers like shit. AOLers, Rennie, are kinda like newborns, they make a hell of a lot of noise, but they don't know too much.

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Re: Sigh Re: not a flame please read and think about this
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Pat F A R R E L L wrote: / Subject line is bull*&^&, IMHO, of course Hey everyone has an opinion. In message Sat, 9 Sep 1995 16:40:00 UTC, an116512(a)anon.penet.fi writes: > to make my point: why is pat farrel helping the nsa and nist make /Learn to spell my name. It is on my .sig, my keys, and in my userid. /We blockheaded, Irish Catholic Americans are damn proud of our name. /Farrell's (along with other cheap Irish labor) built the railroads /from Chicago west. Please spell it correctly, even if you are flaming me. F A R R E L L M O U S E > hey why not just write the escorw code for them!!!??? > is mr farrel just being naive or is does he realize who hes working for? > sorry to single him out but this is just an example of what im talking > about. /I doubt that this clown deserves a response, but... Then shut up. /There were a number of cypherpunks there. I can't speak for all, /but I expect movites include: /- attempting to clarify vague and confusing wording so we could /understand what they wanted. 'k /- seeing that working with them, rather than yelling at their stupidity, /has a higher chance of getting results. Beware of compromise, you become the rag puller for the rapist. / - we got to meet influential folks from industry who agree with us. 'k /- some of us aren't completely apposed to CKE. I think it has value. /If we could convert their plan for GAK into CKE, it would be a big win, /well worth the effort. Yea right. / - they are going to promulgate a FIPS PUB standard next week, whether I /like it or not, and whether I help or not. It is better to have that /standard understandable and clear than fuzzy and subject to subective /evaluation. Clear as any government forced standard can be. / - getting preposterous misstatements into the formal Federal Register so / we can quote it back to them in the congressional hearings. Mr Geoff / Greivelddinger's words should be handy to quote, for one example. 'k /- there are lots more, but I doubt that I can convince this clown. Then shut up.

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