December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: CIA & FBI, a marriage made in ___?
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-> The constitutional requirement and the need for some coherent policy to be attached to grants explains why the Clipper and Digitel projects are hefted under the umbrella of the crime crisis. It allows huge federal grants (bigger now that the crime bill is law) to be "stringed" and these projects (Clipper etc.) to be "voluntarily encouraged" by the threat of withdrawal of government largess. (In this instance the crime bill grants). <- I should mention that the crime bill is still in joint commitee and not yet "law." At least I think that's the case. It's to early to check.

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Re: Random #'s via serial port dongle?
by smb＠research.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>This has probably been discussed before, but has anyone built a littl e >device that amplifies the white noise from a transistor junction, and >converts it into serial data? As Tim mentions, lots of people have talked about doing this, but few actually have. Nevertheless, the device is still needed and no one has done it. I estimate you could sell 500 at $50 each within four months if there were PGP support for it. And I'll give you advertising space on the archive site. Real random numbers should be a standard part of every computer. Absolutely. Given a choice between a hardware encryptor -- even a public key hardware encryptor -- and a true random number generator, I'd unhesitatingly choose the latter.

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spooks on cypherpunks
by Spooks-R-Us＠sersol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Don't worry about it your rep will be judged by contributions not trivial >accusations. > >Vaccinia(a)uncvx1.oit.unc.edu Thanks - I'll keep that in mind ;-)

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Re: Rings of Saturn (fwd)
by Spooks-R-Us＠sersol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The NSA among its other projects is trying to wangle a device that will >allow the access to the brain of PRZ to help them put a back door inside >PGP and the aliens want a sacrifice of 2^10 virgins for this. > ><sigh> > >We're all doomed..... > >Ben. Don't give up yet - after all, where are they going to find 2^10 virgins? (We in the islands gave up volcano sacrifices for the same reasons some time ago) -Jim

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Crypto books
by Karl Lui Barrus 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Next to it was anoher book on Cryptography, for $97.95 by "Rhee", I > didn't have pen/paper to get the details down, but it was hardback and > seemed to be a good compliement to "Applied Cryptography" as it delt > (almost purely from a quick browse) with the theroies and mathematics > of it, rather than giving C source code for bits and pieces. I have this book - "Cryptography and Secure Communications" by Man Young Rhee. It covers basic cryptography (number theory, DES, block ciphers, stream ciphers, public key systems) and also communications (BCH codes, Reed-Solomon Codes, Error control for cryptosystems). Late chapters cover more crypto protocols (authentication, digital signatures, ZKIP, smart cards, key management). The book is pretty good, but Schneier's book covers far more cryptographic protocols. This one seems to be a fusion of cryptography and error control coding. But then, the author's previous book was "Error Control Coding Theory." ;-) Karl Barrus klbarrus(a)owlnet.rice.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLcJ7o4OA7OpLWtYzAQHuDgP9FjafBBP6cXfTT7qqgSjVVc94zxGzGOVv 5IR79KxwE1VthSgJxY0L3RWJa77GjdM0CxN60nBPpQ5tt4MUpO+TSG9pWLz6lC85 tW7SDsJ6uiErdT2eCZ49mMi98QXlNyjp4aaVaSYpfIpoD4pTAvtnxmer0OAf8kKK XBl1Irt0/Ck= =oD1y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Detweiler
by fhalper＠pilot.njin.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If Detweiler is a big nut. Why was he involved in the implementation of MacPGP along with people like Atkins and Finney? Reuben Halper Montclair High -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3 mQCPAi16KosAAAEEAMUwRni4a9+GbuAhHDLcBWK60hCJUYxhr2hYokpELAhx0ejp 2fq61Tu9Hjn051CN8Xy5nu6sv2ODfG/t59l4DJSb5pirQaII3zaX0rMX0ydwGDoW YakL4ow1lNY+d/k14KpIuUW404+fNuNhIGSkdVLQIfbOgh0preK7/P44AKvdABEB AAG0JlJldWJlbiBIYWxwZXIgPGZoYWxwZXJAcGlsb3Qubmppbi5uZXQ+iQCVAgUQ Lam+x9xF3PzIgw7tAQHPogP/VmoF5AHJNBFlpxl1tvHAzrMLE8nkpengs94Y8zmF 1r5+hk0TaYeEEUzYf1QNfflya5md3WKeXnI3WhO2SRpdH953AD/tNmxw2LLEegat 5sI1XNPuNqxeompiHFRnCz4dI14qjDvRwnPay187/Q5q2F3m0nP8qA6wgl59mDq3 FuCJAJUCBRAteitx4rv8/jgAq90BARTHBACh99OJtGXATm01BUa+u6WHU5CBc2FN F5z29RpTA/JTrgUhn4qeZ19iCIlhe1wi0D3QQH0wN7FrMp6onMw49KFU05/KLDLb JSWdCzjbl/wPEG8z//O6+Pqzj+ZcNM9Rm0b08/QdVoQZMljXkl19Gq2P/D4ceewe WAKePQ2ciFdNbw== =K4ez -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Detweiler
by Paul Elliott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>If Detweiler is a big nut. Why was he involved in the implementation of MacPGP >along with people like Atkins and Finney? >Reuben Halper >Montclair High Hey, I liked his FAQ on anonymity on the internet. But I understand that he has since gone off the deep end. Does any one have the details? What went wrong? I have a copy of the Jargon File and Tentacle is not listed. Surely cypherpunk words like tentacle and cypherpunk could be added. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul Elliott Telephone: 1-713-781-4543 Paul.Elliott(a)hrnowl.lonestar.org Address: 3987 South Gessner #224 Houston Texas 77063

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Re: Applied Cryptography
by snyderra＠dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:31 PM 4/29/94 -0700, Christian D. Odhner wrote: >Applied Cryptography could easily be renamed 'the cypherpunk's bible' in >my opinion. It cost me about US$50, and it was definatly worth it. What >makes it valuable is that it's focus is on the implimentation of crypto, >not just the big math. It deals extensively with the different protocalls >as well as all the major algorithims. I recomend it highly. I ordered my copy about a week ago from the local Borders; it should be in fairly soon. From the discussion here (and the export controls WWW page) I understand a disk can be purchased with the code on it. Where do you order this from? I tried emailing Bruce Schneier, but he's out of the country for the next few months, so..... Bob -- Bob Snyder N2KGO MIME, RIPEM mail accepted snyderra(a)dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu finger for RIPEM public key When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.

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Re: PC-Expo
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-> | The software: PGP, SecureDevice/Drive, a file viewer (sor of like list) which | I've written that does some minimal mouse support, a menu system I guess, and | lots of articles. <- Please, please try to include Macintosh software. I think often, through no fault of vigilant authors, the macintosh users get the short end of the stick in code. Consider including versions of Curve Encrypt, and MacPGP2.3. I don't want to speak for the authors as for distrubution questions. Contact Curve Software at : kinney(a)bogart.colorado.edu Curve's key: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3 mQCPAiz+bEEAAAEEAMUbtdwYC1vY+s5559ERIvC1MT+Yaw3ozheaHcUciJe7cSAk k9TpAQd7iKukKnQe5kK1YtvYm0JP6fmNrcO8AmG5ukvcOlyuri618sjpXncpQ1cL 5xeV80f3JtmheGMnqAzTK8OyfJ7zRh1PhAZcT/vVzf+JGuCuVcJkEfxTVMrJABEB AAG0K0N1cnZlIFNvZnR3YXJlIDxraW5uZXlAYm9nYXJ0LmNvbG9yYWRvLmVkdT6J AJUCBRAs/wK89+/hOkiDY/EBAeN5A/0fFX5On4Zxc/guNdDb+nHZcd6TwJxUb9ST TlsJX4BAKAcf0xG4DY0L+9DN0N6w6FOR3RuZIAUx25xS9yRBSMLe1gOw6qI9C/lt Ovh7ycoKCkOBqoe6oisRzREhIr3U+FQXRIu7Qhn5ETEljRjWvQ6fheohrLhSGVsf pBaKtb2fVw== =LCyY -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Speaking of macintosh software: Any word on... 1> StealthPGP for the mac? 2> More secure stego for the mac? 3> SecureDevice for the mac? 4> The source code for MacPGP2.3 v1.1? 5> PGPtools for the mac? 6> Cryptographer's Workbench for the mac? -uni- (Dark)

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Re: Constitution and Contract [Was: CIA & FBI]
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-> actually, it is just a piece of paper. Burn the paper it's all gone. 4!/4! +-0 Bye all <- It's too bad despondancy has sunk to this, your, level.

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Re: Constitution and Contract [Was: CIA & FBI]
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Black Unicorn This seems to me like the Jeffersonian notion that the Constitution should be amended in every generation. Letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12 1816, The Portable Thomas Jefferson 557-558 (M. Peterson ed. 1975). I think this is perhaps excessive, and if you consider the effect of short term politics, one could well find his or her own generation is the one which does away with the 4th and 5th amendments because of a "Crime Crisis." If your suggestion is more along the lines of a more reasoned and enduring amendment process with some respect for the concepts of old and more importantly an attempt to adapt the spirit of the document [the Constitution] to the reality of the day, I concur wholeheartedly. ................................................... No, it has nothing to do with the amendment process; it has to do with original thought. As long as the people of today or tomorrow remain attached to a document, becoming dependent upon it for their thinking, then they are still not free, because - especially in the case of the Constitution - they have still not understood the message. The principle of individuality and freedom from government coercion means that an individual can make up their own mind, can use their own judgement, and can decide for themselves whether or not they will become a member of an institution - even if that institution is already in existence surrounding them and it seems that it is no longer required of them to think about making a choice regarding their relationship to it, that the choice was already made for them a long time ago and the situation no longer requires their input - almost as if their opinion were irrelevant, almost as if that which was created in the past had nothing to do with them in the present. If no one from an institution inquires whether you want to join, but takes it for granted that you are a member and then proceeds to treat you like citizen, then they have not been respectful of your independent ability to make up your own mind, apart from their ability to make that decision for you. This is not in the spirit of the Constitution. The age of the concept is not what is important; it is the principle elucidated. Any document which presents important concepts is valuable. It isn't requisite, however, that one remain attached to it in order to reap the benefit of its wisdom; it is more important to recognize that to which the wisdom therein refers, and once the ideas have been digested & comprehended, to advance using the perspicacity which you should have developed from their study. My point in this discussion is only to say that in terms of a contract, no one is really provided the opportunity to "sign the deal", so to speak. Too much is taken for granted, and therefore too many mistakes are made from the absence of a foundation based upon actual agreements made (rather than assumed agreement). Blanc

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Re: CIA & FBI, a marriage made in ___?
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Black Unicorn Uni: "I tend to find these sorts of incentives acceptable provided the grant of funds is not craftily calculated to make functioning competitively impossible, which today they often are. Clipper is a prime example. It's not intended merely to incentivize makers to accept Clipper, but to drive other systems out of the market. To me this is offensive regulation." To me this offensive interferance intended to prevent other makers from creating the means which would prevent them from continuing to interfere. Regulation sets as a constant the terms, the conditions, the degrees of what an entity within its jurisdiction may do. Interferance describes an action which the government takes against a business which is not theirs to become involved with. Neither of them is very sporting. But anyway, providing incentives is also not a defensible business of government. It is still an attempt to determine in substitution of the individual, what that individual shall find it agreeable to do. See _Blanc Weber vs Black Unicorn_Constitution & Contract (4/30/94) Uni: "In the words of Judge Stone, "...threat of loss and not hope of gain is the essence of economic coercion." _United States v. Butler_, 297 U.S. 1 (1936). Unfortunately this is often taken to mean that as long as you frame the regulation as a conditional grant, it is constitutional. " Do you mean that this means, "as long as you're looking for a hand-out it's okay"? This would depend upon just how dependent the citizens are who would be involved or affected by the "threat" of that loss. To the government threat of a withdrawal of its largess.......my attitude would say, go ahead - make my day! As to what coercion is: it is not what someone tries to influence you to do after you are already in the klinker, but that which persuaded you to allow them to put you into it in the first place. Blanc

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WSJ article on PGP
by anon＠desert.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reply to: <anon(a)desert.hacktic.nl> (Anon Account an3) Remailed by: anon(a)desert.hacktic.nl X-Remailer-Software: Remail for Waffle 1.3 >From The Wall Street Journal Vol. LXXV No. 138 Thursday April 28, 1994 CIPHER PROBE: Popularity Overseas Of Encryption Code Has the U.S. Worried ---------- Grand Jury Ponders if Creator 'Exported' the Program Through the Internet ---------- `Genie Is Out of the Bottle' By William M. Bulkeley Staff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal BOULDER, Colo. - During the battle between Boris Yeltsin and the Russian Parliment last October, with Russian freedom hanging in the balance, software author Philip Zimmermann received an electronic-mail message from Latvia. "If dictatorship takes over Russia," it read, "your PGP is widespread from Baltic to Far East now and will help democratic people if necessary. Thanks." PGP - for Pretty Good Privacy - is a program written by Mr. Zimmermann for scrambling computer messages. Dissidents around the world use it to protect their electronic communications from the prying eyes of secret police. But PGP has a darker side. In Sacramento, Calif., police lament that last year, PGP encryption blocked them from reading the computer diary of a convicted pedophile and finding critical links in a suspected child-pornography ring. Admired by freedom lovers and criminals alike, PGP is one thing: uncrackable, or as close to it as a secret code has ever been. Even U.S. government snoopers can't break it. And that places Mr. Zimmermann - a paunchy, bearded, 40-year-old computer consultant who is fast becoming a folk hero on the information highway - in peril. A federal grand jury in San Jose, Calif., is examining weather he broke laws against exporting encryption codes. The Federal Bureau of Investigation suspects that Mr. Zimmermann had a role in putting PGP on the Internet, the world-wide web of computer networks, making it easy for foreign governments and terrrorists to use it and render their computer traffic impervious to U.S. spying. Mr. Zimmermann's lawyer says his client could face charges carrying a prison term of up to 51 months. The world-wide use of Mr. Zimmermann's software has altered forever notions of government surveillance, electronic privacy and export bans on cryptography. Until recently, difficult codes could always be deciphered by stealing the key that unraveled the encryption puzzle. During World War II, for example, the Allies captured a German encrypting Enigma machine, allowing them to crack Nazi communications. U.S. convoys taking munitions to Britain used it to help them elude German U-boats. Keys Are the Key But PGP, like a growing number of encryption programs, takes advantage of a new, mathematically sophisticated encrypting technology that requires two different keys, both of which are necessary to unlock the puzzle. The sender needs only one to send a message. The receiver decodes the message with the second key - which never needs to leave his computer, where it can be protected by passwords from easy pilfering. Although the mathematics are daunting, the program makes the process quick and straightforward. In an age when computers can whip up codes of devilish complexity and zip them around the globe for anyone with a personal computer, the lot of the encryption policeman is not a happy one. The internet alone reaches 20 million people. "The genie is out of the bottle," says Leonard Mikus, president of ViaCrypt, a Phoenix company that sells a $100 version of PGP in the U.S. "There's no way anybody can stop the technology." The Personal Touch The availability world-wide of encryption programs makes export controls "a farce," says Stephen Walker, a former top National Security Agency cryptographer who is now president of Trusted Information Systems Inc., a research firm in Glenwood, Md. He says he knows European government officials who use PGP for their personal e-mail. "We have to recognize what's out there." Mr. Zimmermann, a twice-arrested anti-nuclear-war activist, became an electronic freedom-fighter in 1990. At that time, the FBI and the NSA were pushing for a law that would ban certain forms of encryption, and force computer makers to build into their machines hardware that would allow law-enforcement agencies to decipher any code that was used. The proposal outraged confidentiality-minded corporations and computer users alike. Eventually, it was dropped. But while the issue was still open, Mr. Zimmermann took it upon himself to thwart the government's purpose by working on what came to be PGP - an impenetrable code that could be used by virtually anyone. "I did it to inoculate the body politic" from the danger of government prying, he says. Mr. Zimmermann stopped consulting and holed up in the computer-filled workroom in the back of a bungalow in Boulder, where he lives with his wife and two children. He said he spent six months of 12-hour days writing the program, drained his family's savings and missed five months of mortgage payments. He finished the program in June 1991, and named it Pretty Good Privacy - in deference to Ralph's Pretty Good Grocery in humorist Garrison Keillor's Prairie Home Companion radio show. When Mr. Zimmermann was through, he gave the encryption program to friends. One of them, whom he won't identify, placed it on the Internet, sometime around June or July 1991, he says. Once there, any computer user in the world with access to the Internet could download it. Almost immediately, many did. But federal laws covering munitions prohibit exporting encryption software without a license. A year ago, U.S. Customs Service agents asked Mr. Zimmermann how his software went overseas. In September the U.S. Attorney's office in San Jose, which has expertise on computer crimes because of its proximity to Silicon Valley, told Mr. Zimmermann that he was a target of an investigation. Mr. Zimmermann says he neither sent PGP overseas, nor posted it on computer systems. RSA Data Security Inc. is also angry at Mr. Zimmermann. The computer-security firm says that in creating PGP, Mr. Zimmermann used one of its patented cryptographic algorithms without permission, after RSA had denied him a free license. "We sometimes joke that PGP stands for `Pretty Good Piracy,' " says James Bidzos, president of the Redwood City, Calif., firm. "What he did was simple. In this business, you simply don't rip off people's intellectual property." RSA, which sells its technology to most of the major sofware makers and makes an encryption program called MailSafe, hasn't sued Mr. Zimmermann. But it has asserted its legal rights in letters to anyone it catches using PGP. As a result, few companies use PGP and many universities and commercial on-line services keep it off their computers. Mr. Zimmermann says that technically he hasn't violated RSA patents because he didn't sell the software until he signed the deal with ViaCrypt, which does have a license to use the algorithm. He notes that the on-line documentation for PGP suggests that people who use the program should contact RSA about a license. For many individuals, PGP has become something of a standard for encrypted e-mail on the Internet. A Glendale, Calif., college student who goes by the name Monk on the Internet says, "It's free; it's solid; it promotes privacy. How can you argue with it?" While the NSA wants to keep control of encryption, "This teeny little company with a wonderful hero has changed that," says Thomas Lipscomb, president of InfoSafe Corp., a New York developer of security devices for CD-ROM publishers. Fear that hackers may intercept e-mail has spawned a grass-roots cult of PGP users in the Internet community. Craig McKie, a sociology professor at Carleton University in Ottawa, encrypts chapters of a new book with PGP as he sends them to his publisher, fearing that otherwise, "a gazillion copies would go flying off into the night." Lance Cottrell, an astronomer at the University of California, San Diego, says he uses PGP to share unpublished observations with collaborators to keep others from claim-jumping a discovery. PGP also helps make the otherwise leaky internet safe for commerce. Members of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a group that advocates electronic free speech, can pay dues by sending PGP-encrypted credit-card numbers over computer networks. S. Soloway Inc., a Palo Alto, Calif., accounting firm, scrambles backup tapes with PGP, so that clients needn't worry about lost confidentiality if the tapes are lost or stolen. Kenneth Bass, a Washington lawyer, communicates with some clients and other attorneys in PGP code. For human-rights advocates, the consequences of compromised sources can be devastating. Daniel Salcedo, who works for the Human Rights Project of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington, teaches activists in El Salvador and Guatemala to use PGP. "In this business, lots of people have been killed," Mr. Salcedo says. Alan Dawson, a writer living in Thailand, says rebels opposing the regime in neighboring Burma are using PGP to encrypt information sent among rebel groups. Before use of PGP became widespread, Mr. Dawson wrote Mr. Zimmermann, "captured documents have resulted directly in arrests, including whole families and their torture and death." But investigators say PGP and other encryption systems aid crime. William Spernow, a computer-crime specialist with Search Group, a federally funded police-training firm in Sacramento, Calif., predicts criminals will routinely encrypt information within two years. "This could signal the end of computer forensics before it even gets off the ground," he says. Mr. Bidzos of RSA says that he has had several calls from police in the Miami area asking for help in decrypting information on computers seized in drug raids. He says the encryption is unbreakable. Mr. Spernow studied one case where a criminal conducted a fraud by keeping a double set of books - the real set encrypted in PGP. Mr. Zimmermann says he is disturbed by criminal use of encryption, but thinks the benefit of providing electronic privacy to everyone outweighs the costs. "It is impossible to obtain real privacy in the information age without good cryptography," he says. Encryption also raises some eyebrows inside corporations. Mr. Bass, the Washington lawyer, notes that most companies assert the right to read employees' e-mail, since it is composed on their computers and travels their networks. "What will they do when people start encrypting messages to each other?" he asks. Without e-mail encryption, widespread surveillance would be easier. In theory, CIA, FBI and police computers could tap telephone cables and look for key words such as "missile" or "bomb" to find people who needed closer watching. Mr. Zimmermann says: "This is analogous to drift-net fishing." Computerized encryption "is a technology that for a change benefits our civil liberties," he adds. "The government law-enforcement agencies have benefited from many technologies," such as telephones that made wire- tapping undetectable. In fact, Mr. Zimmermann is currently seeking funding for a project to create a phone that uses a personal computer equipped with a microphone and a speaker, to encrypt voice conversations just as PGP encrypts data exchanges. Mr. Zimmermann has been suspicious of the government for a long time. After growing up in Boca Raton, Fla., where a children's book on secret writing first interested him in codes, he moved to Boulder in 1978 and worked as a computer engineer. After he was laid off by Storage Technology Corp. in 1985, along with 3,000 others, he became a consultant specializing in telecommunications and data security. In the 1980s he became worried about the nuclear-arms race. He and his wife investigated moving to New Zealand. But they stayed in Boulder, an antiwar hotbed, where he lectured on arms policy. Mr. Zimmermann says that he has not been active on the internet and adds, "I'm not a cipherpunk - I wear a suit when I visit clients." But he says he agrees with the electronic free-speech ideals of the cipherpunks, the Internet habitues who fill cyberspace with blistering criticisms about the U.S. government's proposal to promote use of the so-called "Clipper chip." The chip would let companies and individuals encrypt sensitive communications, but the government would hold a key making it possible - with court permission - to decipher them for law-enforcement or national-security purposes. Mr. Zimmermann thinks the Clipper project confirms the need for PGP by showing the government's desire to read electronic mail. "They're treating us like an enemy foreign population," he says. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was mailed through the remailer anon(a)desert.hacktic.nl Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. 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Leahy Clipper hearings - May 3rd
by steven cherry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Voters Telecomm Watch (VTW) Legislative Action Alert vtw-list-request(a)panix.com Are you concerned about the Clipper Chip? Do you think your privacy is too important to be trusted to corruptible bureaucrats and secret algorithms? You can do something about this! On May 3rd, Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) will hold a hearing in Washington D.C. on the Clipper chip. The opportunity to add your voice is here! Best of all, we've looked up all the phone numbers for you! The hearings will be with the Technology and the Law subcommittee of the Judiciary committee. Listed below are the members' names. Be brief and polite, as Senator Leahy has a good reputation for being sensitive to civil liberties issues in the electronic world. [If you live in any of the states below, please make a special effort to call your Senator.] Senate Judiciary subcommittee on Technology and the Law (Senator Patrick Leahy, Chairman) P ST Name and Address Phone Fax = == ======================== ============== ============== D VT Leahy, Patrick J. 1-202-224-4242 1-202-224-3595 433 RSOB Washington, D.C. 20510 D WI Kohl, Herbert H. 1-202-224-5653 1-202-224-9787 330 HSOB Washington, D.C. 20510 D CA Feinstein, Diane 1-202-224-3841 1-202-228-3954 367 DSOB Washington, D.C. 20510 R PA Specter, Arlen 1-202-224-4254 1-202-224-1893 303 HSOB Washington, D.C. 20510 R SD Pressler, Larry 1-202-224-5842 1-202-224-1630 133 HSOB Washington, D.C. 20510 HSOB = Hart Senate Office Building RSOB = Russell Senate Office Building DSOB = Dirksen Senate Office Building Call now, call from work, from home, whereever you are. It only takes a minute. If you have a fax modem, break it in! Here is a sample you might want to read before calling or faxing in your comments: SAMPLE LETTER OR PHONE CALL The Honorable Senator ____________ I understand you will be attending the hearings on the Clipper chip. I wanted to express my concern about the use of the Clipper chip in personal communications. The Clipper chip would mandate a privacy standard that is prone to significant abuse. Unlike most recent work in cryptography, the academic work surrounding the chip has been kept from the public, developed in secret. Decent cryptography exists today to protect my communications. The Clipper chip threatens my ability to use that technology. Please oppose the Clipper chip. Sincerely, __________________ For more information about the VTW (Voters Telecomm Watch), write to vtw-list-request(a)panix.com. We are in no way affiliated with Panix Public Access.

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waffle remailer header blocks
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This was posted here: > From owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Sun May 1 08:33:34 1994 > From: <anon(a)desert.hacktic.nl> (Anon Account an3) > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: WSJ article on PGP > Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1994 10:04:20 MET > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Precedence: bulk > Status: R > > Reply to: <anon(a)desert.hacktic.nl> (Anon Account an3) > Remailed by: anon(a)desert.hacktic.nl > X-Remailer-Software: Remail for Waffle 1.3 > > >From The Wall Street Journal > Vol. LXXV No. 138 > Thursday April 28, 1994 Note the three lines at Reply to:. These prevent chaining from working from this remailer to my remailer. To implement chaining, my remailer expects to see "::" as the first non-blank line. Instead, it sees the "Reply to": as the first non-blank line. Those three lines should be part of the header. If they can't be put into the header, they should not be sent out at all. (Several weeks ago, I got a great many messages from the rebma remailer that looked the same way. I haven't seen those in a while, so either Bill fixed the problem or else people have given up on trying to chain from rebma to my remailer.) Hal

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Re: The American money capture
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There are a couple of things I disagree with in Gary Jeffers' post. (Mild spelling flame - it's "fiat" money, not "fait" money.) I am interested not from the conspiracy aspects, but from the private- versus public-money angle. > PAPER MONEY BACKED BY PAPER > There is only one cause of inflation; it is officially - but not > constitutionally - authorized counterfeiting of money, the official > issue of paper money substitutes that are not fully backed by & > redeemable in the real lawful money they purport to represent. Until 1850, there was no official paper money in the United States. The US government controlled coinage, but they had a lot of problems getting enough money into circulation, especially in the fast-growing frontier area. Between 1800 and 1850 a great number of private banks were started whose main function was to issue paper money. Although this money was not a legal tender (meaning simply that people could refuse to accept it) it did circulate widely as cash, often displacing coins. Although ostensibly backed by lawful money (e.g. US coins), this did not stop the bankers from engaging in fractional-reserve banking. Indeed, if they had not done so, their banks would have been of no value, as they would not have helped remedy the shortage of circulating money. (Today, with our experiences of inflation in the 1970's and 1980's, it is hard for us to appreciate the problems with deflation. But I think deflation was much worse. The effects are similar to what we see today when the Fed tightens the reins on the money supply - a halt to economic growth, business bankruptcies, growth of unemployment, debtors unable to pay off their debts, mortgage foreclosures, etc.) (Also, note that a constant money supply in a growing economy is effectively deflationary. The money supply must increase at least as fast as economic growth or it will serve as an active brake on the economy, IMO. I don't know what economic school this view comes from, but I first heard it from Milton Friedman.) Even though the cash was not "official", inflation was a problem. In fact, it was a chronic, overwhelming problem. Once a bank realizes that it can buy things simply by printing money, it takes more self-restraint than most institutions (private _or_ public) have to keep from doing so. Things were made worse by the fact that our understanding of the inevitable bad results of such inflation was simply absent back then. The bankers did not under- stand that printing more money would inevitably devalue the currency. They thought that the inflation they saw was due to psychological factors, people not trusting the bank, or greedy merchants trying to take advantage of the public. (These arguments were echoed in the 1970's and 1980's, but they have of course been widely discredited now. The issue was far less clear in 1850.) Throughout the private-banking era, runs on banks, booms, busts, and panics, all the traditional extreme manifestations of the business cycle, were seen. And all this occured at a time when the only lawful, legal tender money was hard currency: gold, silver and copper coins. Clearly having such a money is no proof against the pernicious effects of inflation. Despite this historical record, I think that private currencies today would have the potential to succeed. The increased economic sophistication about the effects of different monetary policies would help bankers steer clear of the most egregious errors of the 1800's. Digital cash signatures avoid the widespread counterfeiting and discounting which also plagued that era. Hal Finney hfinney(a)shell.portal.com

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Another remailer
by hfinney＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Found this on the nets: >Xref: portal alt.cyberpunk:31472 alt.anonymous:125 alt.privacy.anon-server:683 alt.security.pgp:11417 >Path: portal!portal.com!decwrl!hookup!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!news.uh.edu!jpunix!perry >From: perry(a)jpunix.com (John A. Perry) >Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.anonymous,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.security.pgp >Subject: New Anonymous Server! >Message-ID: <043094125146Rnf0.78(a)jpunix.com> >Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 12:51:00 GMT-6 >Organization: J. P. and Associates >Lines: 76 X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint 67 91 9D E9 97 E1 0F D9 F7 A5 B2 58 EA AB 3A F9 X-Newsreader: Rnf 0.78 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Everyone! Thanks to Patrick Oonk (kafka(a)desert.hacktic.nl) I would like to announce the creation of a new anonymous mail/usenet server. This server is based on the PGP-compatible Cypherpunk mail servers and operates with the same set of commands. The address to this new server is remailer(a)jpunix.com. Here is a brief description of how to use the server: How to use the Cypherpunks Remailers ------------------------------------ by Hal Finney, <74076.1041(a)compuserve.com> There are two general ways of specifying the remailing instructions. The simplest is to add an extra field to the header of the message. All of the Cypherpunks remailers will accept the field name "Request-Remailing-To:". (Several of the remailers also accept shorter versions of this name, but there is no standard for the short versions accepted.) Simply put the address that you want the mail to be forwarded to after "Request-Remailing-To:" in the message header, and the forwarding will be done. (Case is important in this header field, so be sure to put in the capital letters as shown.) This remailer software also supports "X-Anon-To:". Many people have mailers which will not allow them to add fields to the headers of the messages they send. Instead, they can only put material into the bodies of the mail. In order to accomodate such systems, the Cypherpunks remailers provide a mechanism for "pasting" the first few lines of the message body into the header. These lines can then contain "Request-Remailing-To:" / "X-Anon-To:" commands. This is done by having the first non-blank line of your message be the special token "::" (two colons). If the Cypherpunks remailers see this as the first non-blank line, all following lines up to a blank one will be pasted into your mail header. Then the message will be processed as usual. Here is how the message above would be prepared if Sue were not able to add lines to her outgoing message header. This new server will also support posting to USEnet in the form: Request-Remailing-To: news.group where news.group is the newsgroup the user wishes to post to. If you have any problems or questions, feel free to contect me at perry(a)jpunix.com. Please find the public key of the new server listed below for those of you wishing to encrypt to the server. - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3a mQCNAi3CjRsAAAEEAMYPWIxjbDCBgUVi4sEkuv3EP59wBcRFEkDTojZqsf61tk3Q a701snXLfDITk3wzVjOj4LMYgEfZpwVNr3B1xdttQj44F/h1p2kmRW9NbDkm+OgP Ts7lZ0ac5PHkpb1q/qD2Y5yfiNNN+rZBaT1QLc3il3VIYy21BecyzSVK9nCVAAUR tDFQR1AtYmFzZWQgUmVtYWlsaW5nIFNlcnZpY2UgPHJlbWFpbGVyQGpwdW5peC5j b20+ =osYc - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- John A. Perry - perry(a)jpunix.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLcKctVOTpEThrthvAQGwFwP+OYwVry77liwHnpOxWZ5oZhdxUo9LA2BG VUK4sLUZ+phcJJAWvkA0KqV2D6WM0hc7beZqPspZ5ejCN2q/V9qrFiQjCN8MuOdk k+EREPHqqkOQDSzYOX9sZuD/17cg7nusxkpmPN2a4b9oouB8uq28nNC2VUz0yBte jgwh0f+voUY= =jF/y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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MAIL: remailer list
by Karl Lui Barrus 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Changes: 1) two new remailers! anon(a)desert.hacktic.com and remailer(a)jpunix.com I put the public keys up at the gopher site (chaos.bsu.edu) and once the semester is over I will get organized and upload to soda.berkeley.edu. 2) Matt Ghio's update list of email-to-usenet gateways, gained from trolling misc.test. Thanks! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Cypherpunk anonymous remailers, 5/1/94 Q1: What are the anonymous remailers? 1: nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu 2: remailer(a)chaos.bsu.edu 3: rperkins(a)nyx.cs.du.edu 4: remailer(a)soda.berkeley.edu 5: hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu 6: ebrandt(a)jarthur.claremont.edu 7: remailer(a)utter.dis.org 8: anon(a)desert.hacktic.nl 9: remailer(a)jpunix.com 10: remailer(a)rebma.mn.org 11: catalyst(a)netcom.com 12: hfinney(a)shell.portal.com 13: remail(a)extropia.wimsey.com NOTES: 1-3 no encryption of remailing requests 4-11 support encrypted remailing requests 11 special - header and message must be encrypted together 7,10,13 introduce larger than average delay (not direct connect) 1,2,7,10,13 running on privately owned machines 4,8,9 features USENET posting 11 features anonymous pools 8,13 located outside of the U.S. ====================================================================== Q2. Other Services: 1. Miron Cuperman's anonymous pool. To subscribe, send mail to pool0-request(a)extropia.wimsey.com. Mail sent to pool0(a)extropia.wimsey.com will be sent to all subscribers of the anonymous pool. 2. Matt Ghio's pseudo-account remailer. Send mail to mg5n+getid(a)andrew.cmu.edu You will receive an encrypted mail address of the form mg5n+eaxxxxx(a)andrew.cmu.edu Mail sent to this address will be forwarded to you. Mail sent to mg5n+remailers(a)andrew.cmu.edu will return a list of remailers to you. Mail sent to mg5n+anz3ajg8o1yxicqzt6v6qgpg3tkhddpqw3jl(a)andrew.cmu.edu will be forwarded on to cypherpunks(a)toad.com 3. Jay Prime Positive's mail pool Send mail to jpp=0x123456(a)markv.com, and the mail will be encrypted with the key matching 0x123456, and sent to alt.test with a subject line of "Ignore 0x123456" To add a key, send to jpp=poolnew(a)markv.com. The body of the message should contain the public key in pgp format. If there is a key clash, a message with the subject "Ignore jpp=poolnew key already in use" 4. Finger remailer(a)soda.berkeley.edu for instructions and a ping report. 5. Usenet posting: anon(a)desert.hacktic.nl and remailer(a)jpunix.com allow posting to usenet with the following syntax: Request-Remailing-To: news.group remailer(a)soda.berkeley.edu uses the following syntax: Post-To: news.group OR Anon-Post-To: news.group ====================================================================== Q3: What help is available? 1. Look in ftp://soda.berkeley.edu/pub/cypherpunks/remailer (soda.berkeley.edu = 128.32.149.19) chain.zip - program that helps with using remailers dosbat.zip - MSDOS batch files that help with using remailers hal's.instructions.gz - in depth instruction on how to use hal's.remailer.gz - remailer code pubkeys.tar.gz - public keys of remailers which support encryption pubkeys.zip - MSDOS zip file of public keys scripts.tar.gz - scripts that help with using remailers 2. Or try to gopher to chaos.bsu.edu and look in "Anonymous Mail"/Remailer Instructions" 3. Cypherpunks WWW home page is ftp://soda.berkeley.edu/pub/cypherpunks/Home.html ====================================================================== Q4. Email-to-Usenet gateways? 1: group-name(a)cs.utexas.edu 2: group.name.usenet(a)decwrl.dec.com 3: group.name(a)news.demon.co.uk 4: group.name(a)news.cs.indiana.edu 5: group-name(a)pws.bull.com 6: group-name(a)ucbvax.berkeley.edu 7: group.name(a)undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca 8: group.name(a)magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu 9: group.name(a)ccs.uwo.ca 10: group.name(a)julian.uwo.ca 11: group.name(a)paris.ics.uci.edu 12: group.name(a)cs.dal.ca NOTES: * This does not include ones that work for single groups, like twwells.com. * Remember to include a Subject: with your post, may cause failures if missing #6 blocks from non-berkeley sites (so use the berkeley remailers :-) ====================================================================== This is the remailer.data file I use with pingmail, a script for pinging anonymous remailers: 01:n:nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu 02:n:remailer@chaos.bsu.edu 03:n:rperkins@nyx.cs.du.edu 04:n:remailer@soda.berkeley.edu 05:y:hal@alumni.caltech.edu 06:y:ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu 07:y:remailer@utter.dis.org 08:y:anon@desert.hacktic.nl 09:y:remailer@jpunix.com 10:y:remailer@rebma.mn.org 11:y:catalyst@netcom.com 12:y:hfinney@shell.portal.com 13:s:remail@extropia.wimsey.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLcPtioOA7OpLWtYzAQHXCgP/RWK7gAGZZ7bH/x6qKa9U+D3xPdpSOJT8 CqzFi/prqPSiJB1B+d5to+omiidSu4HK1DbOUUSlM//wvlNsYGExrTbaxDw8pUC3 ZWKfvHVklfJjbcmvLZQbal4Gjf8HHAlrnZG7fNFkLnZ6gGBh4qPqS4QxxadnT/I6 jiBcBMp7Gq8= =N7g/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Karl L. Barrus: klbarrus(a)owlnet.rice.edu keyID: 5AD633 hash: D1 59 9D 48 72 E9 19 D5 3D F3 93 7E 81 B5 CC 32 "One man's mnemonic is another man's cryptography" - my compilers prof discussing file naming in public directories

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Re: Another remailer
by nobody＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hal Finney wrote, quoting John Perry: > Thanks to Patrick Oonk (kafka(a)desert.hacktic.nl) I would like > to announce the creation of a new anonymous mail/usenet server. This > server is based on the PGP-compatible Cypherpunk mail servers and > operates with the same set of commands. The address to this new server > is remailer(a)jpunix.com. Here is a brief description of how to use the > server... It's gone now and the PGP key has been revoked. I think Mr. Perry deserves the Guiness world record for having the shortest-lived remailer! :-|

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Dominating public debate (Was: Cypherpunks as lobbying/propaga
by Robert Michael Hoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While I agree that the cypherpunk list is too fragmented and informal to pass off as a coherent lobbying group, there remains a very deep need to get information out to the "general public" (read as, "people who might have heard about something the NSA is doing, but don't quite remember what....") Lets face it. For all the successful lobbying EFF and CSPR and individuals have done, upwards of 75% of the population won't recognize the word Clipper. This needs to change, since the NSA depends on the masses to be uninformed for Clipper to become reality. Press kits and making the cypherpunk label known are steps in the right direction, but we need to go more directly to the people. And sadly, probably the most successful way to stimulate debate and educate in the United States is best demonstrated by... "Harry and Louise" You know, that annoying commercial the insurance industry ran? That Bill was concerned enough about to parody? It's time the Clipper debate got one too. Mind you, we'd keep ours factual and non-sensational, but interesting enough to catch the eye of Joe and Mary Blow at the dinner table. An interesting concept: it would be (to my knowledge) the first time a grass roots campaign went prime-time. Problem is, getting airtime over the hours our target audience is likely to be watching isn't cheap. But hey, the software industry hates this as much as cypherpunks do. Pass the hat. And for that matter, if you think you're concerned enough to read this list, chip in $20 bucks to the currently non-existant (EFF? CSPR? Cypherpunk Nonproft Foundation for Truth?) Fund for Commercials. You want to get attention? THAT'S the way you do it in the US. It's unfortunate, but if you want to stop Big Brother, you're going to have to play with the big boys by their rules: who dominates public debate wins, not who's right. And the anti-Clipper movement needs to quit the discussion-group mode and move into action. Very, very soon. Comments encouraged. Robert Hoff. -- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3a mQCNAi1cCbwAAAEEAM3mH6Wm+DjLAZHHaKAPEE6BpQpE6cCsI46HJzEekyQca18Z nnNJpVbFfs21P+nkzT02ZQ7HJ5lnQz8TGWN0LSJ8f45DSR5VElTO3MkOCrYSoZ3c WO3IxW4oxm4fWx+3ipN+KKrB/0oooT7n4u0LV0aaImIn2Uzm7I8jOOi7F8jFAAUR tCpSb2JlcnQgTS4gSG9mZiA8cmhvZmZAYmx1ZS53ZWVnLnVpb3dhLmVkdT4= =JUO8 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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So, what are we going to do?
by PMARKS＠VAX1.UMKC.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Very interesting threads going along in here. I'm a fairly new reader to the list. In fact, until I started reading WiReD, Cud, EFF, and this list, I didn't even know that I had to worry about privacy in cyberspace. RE: the folowing *************************************************************************** This is largely, however, off the topic. What is important, and a point on which I think we agree, is that the regulation of strong crypto, or in your definition, the interference in the marketplace, is unacceptable, unneeded and nothing more than a calculated attempt to maintain the status quo of usurpation of individual rights in favor of federal power and influence. Even the national security externality falls when one considers the uselessness of export regulation in the age of digital communication. *************************************************************************** It may be too late for the federal gov't to regulate cryptography. The genie is already out of the bottle. They might legislate it, even criminalize it, but private non-clipper crypto is here. I believe it is here to stay. At least, I'm not giving up _MY_ copy of PGP. As long as I've got a copy, my friends can get copies. Their friends can get copies from them. Just _HOW_ heavy-handed does the Justice Dept. plan to get? Will they come in at midnight, knocking down doors, shouting "we have a search warrant to locate illegal cryptography in your possession!" and run off with my equipment? _That_ could be quite embarrassing for crypto users like me, who are _not_ pornographers, drug dealers, or terrorrists to show up in court. What is the prosecuter going to tell the judge? "So far, we've decyphered his secret bar-b-que sauce recipie and his grandmothers instructions for making chocolate-chip cookies, but we expect to have the plaintext of his letter to his sister anytime now." What could I possibly tell the judge? "I just felt that my own data files were my own, and nobody else's, business. I just thought I was entitled to a little privacy." How would that read in the press? Could the government really afford to look that stupid? (Unless, of course, they really _are_.)

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Re: Constitution and Contract [Was: CIA & FBI]
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've often felt that the solution to this problem is that citizenship should not be given by birth. Everyone, whether born in the US or abroad, should have to go through roughly the present process to be granted citizenship. I'm explicitly including required study of US history and taking an oath to support the Constitution. ++PLS <- So what protections does a minor have before he or she passes the "test"? Will a passport be issued to a non-citizen?

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Blum-Blum-Shub source?
by Urban Nilsson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. May says: > I don't think generating random numbers is all that much of a > priority. The Blum-Blum-Shub C code is available, and I defy anyone to > break _that_ PRNG! Where is this code available? Pointers anyone? Urban Nilsson | Use 'finger' for PGP2.3a public key. d7urban(a)dtek.chalmers.se |------------------------------------- Chalmers University of Technology |A person is just as big as the things Gothenburg, Sweden |that makes him angry.

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Re: PC-Expo
by rarachel＠prism.poly.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is my reply to Perry about the PCExpo Cypherpunks attack. I'd originalkly meant this as a private message, but there's enough good info/requests that I'd like >ALL< of us to read it. I hope you won't mind Perry. For those of you just tuning in, this is an idea I've had: I want some cypher punks to join in together and simply hand out disks and flyers at PC Expo which contain crypto files and articles. This will be in NYC June 28-30. My gut reaction is to try and make it for the 1st day since that's when it's busiest, and perhaps we can catch some press-attention if possible. However, this will depend on who is free and when. We don't have to register for PCExpo nor go in. In fact, it would be a bad idea to hand out these disks on Javitz's property because we haven't rented a booth there (I'd rather we spend the money on duplicating disks.) If all of us chip in $20 worth of disks, it will make a very big difference. You can get disks very cheap from MEI microcenter at 800-634-3478 or whereever. Just make sure you get 3.5" 1.44M disks... If you can't attend because you're not in NYC or not available and are a good writer, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE write some anti-clipper anti-digital telephony articles. We need this because I don't want a copyright infringement on our hands (ie: information liberation front and newspaper articles.) As usual we can take quotes out of articles say "New York Times said Clipper is a brain dead idea" and such, but we need stuff that we can't be thrown in jail or sued for. We also need folks to contribute ideas/software to add to the disks and more importantly to review the disks... Re: Disks & $$$ Not really. Disks are pretty damn cheap these days. If you buy'em from MEI MicroCenter you can get 3.5"HD's for $0.41 cents a piece, or cheaper if you get'em in over 300. 10 disks=$4. IF every PC-Expo-punk chips in 20 disks, we should have plenty to make a neat dent in the Clipper-ignorant-crowd. The software: PGP, SecureDevice/Drive, a file viewer (sor of like list) which I've written that does some minimal mouse support, a menu system I guess, and lots of articles. I'd need someone to look at articles and kill off the ones that may cause copyright problems for this disk. I'm not putting my name on the disks, but if someone were to sniff hard, they'd catch my smell, so that's one thing I want to avoid. Basically, if you have any articles, or better yet if you'd be able to write some or get other c'punks to write some which we can distribute, it would be very cool. If you can attend PC Expo, please send email to rarachel(a)photon.poly.edu for faster processing. Oh, one more thing: I'll be making the disk duplications myself. This is so that our "spook" friends don't install viruses in our software. There is of course the question of trusting me, but I know I trust myself. :-) Perhaps the simplest thing is to include a virus scanner on the disk. Whatever... We also need someone to mass produce labels for the diskettes with a logo. NO CYPHERPUNK CRIMINAL LOGO! It's a cool logo, I have the T-shirt, but PCExpo attending yuppies will fear us more than the spooks if they see "Criminal" on the disk. I suggest "Free Security Articles And Software Demo" as the title of the disk. MAke it look like some corporation is giving out freebies. Oh,I really hate this one, but we should all be dressed professionally (ie: suits, ties, yuck!) This would hurt our credibility if we didn't.... Anyhow, nothing is organized yet, except that a few volunteers have signed up. So please, if you can contribute anything join in. After this is over, we'll have a cypherpunk diskette whch other cpunks in other citities can use to mail to the media, give out to other expos, etc.

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Re: Leahy Clipper hearings - May 3rd (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com (Jim Nalbandian) Date: 01 May 94 Originally To: netcomsv.netcom.com!panix.com!stc Good letter, But...... I keep a current list of fax numbers for both house and senate in Arizona on my fax program, I think, don't you that most cypherpunks should (or do). I ran your letter thru my word processor and added or colleagues to the attended meatings line and then faxed to all AZ senate and house members. Maybe it would be a good Idea to make up a letter that went into deapth on this clipper proposition and send it out. I myself would post in arizona and I think others in other states would post too this way we could reach all of the house and senate. I know from common sense that real long letters would not work ( < 1 page) and also that the prime point like "please oppose the clipper legeslation) should be in very visible print. I sent mine in 20 pica bold underline. Let me know what you think and glad to be of help even though I am new to this list and probly would be deemed clueless, but I due wear nomex underwear..... :{) -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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