September 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Will the real Stealth Technology Please Stand-up ?
by Peter Stone 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

have the NSA not been complaining that the technology is underfunded recently and they could not keep up with other countries/groups. Maybe this is proof of this. Also it seems a big conincidence to me that information that casts further doubt on the lockerbie bombing trial (for which syrian terrorists were originally blamed) comes to light on the same day as this attack. Maybe it was a demonstration that we got the wrong guys? -----Original Message----- From: afbrown(a)bellatlantic.net [mailto:afbrown@bellatlantic.net] Sent: 13 September 2001 09:08 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Will the real Stealth Technology Please Stand-up ? Despite billions spent on stealth technology, expensive spy satellites and planes, secret listening post throughout the world , Echelon and Carnivore. It seem inconceivable that an terrorist operation of this magnitude could be planned, setup over the course of 1 year and executed with precision without the intelligence community having a clue. Now that the country's defense and intelligence spending has been exaggerated in the wrong direction for so long. Maybe good old fashion human intelligence is more secure than once thought.?? This swiss-cheese National defense system lacks imagination, is based solely upon pasted events and will ultimately prompt future attacks. Chance favors the prepared mind.

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Re: Bombings, Surveillance, and Free Societies
by casey.iverson＠hushmail.com 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 02:22 PM 9/12/01 , Tim May wrote: >Personally, while I feel sorry for the dead in Israel, I think anyone who >moves to a small desert state surrounded on all sides by Arabs who want >their land back is asking for trouble. Tim May feels as sorry for the dead in Israel as Arafat and the Taliban feel for the dead in NYC and DC. Sorry Tim. Every one in Washington was not killed, but maybe next time. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.0 wmIEARECACIFAjufxCIbHGNhc2V5Lml2ZXJzb25AaHVzaG1haWwuY29tAAoJECOHEkU4 cuRB/YYAn2SKupNhCaeVglmi+OZHR8/EMRQNAJoCt2e/8q2LNtvQxLINIdVPv4ID0A== =3XX3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Will the real Stealth Technology Please Stand-up ?
by afbrown＠bellatlantic.net 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Despite billions spent on stealth technology, expensive spy satellites and planes, secret listening post throughout the world , Echelon and Carnivore. It seem inconceivable that an terrorist operation of this magnitude could be planned, setup over the course of 1 year and executed with precision without the intelligence community having a clue. Now that the country's defense and intelligence spending has been exaggerated in the wrong direction for so long. Maybe good old fashion human intelligence is more secure than once thought.?? This swiss-cheese National defense system lacks imagination, is based solely upon pasted events and will ultimately prompt future attacks. Chance favors the prepared mind.

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Re: RE: Manhattan Mid-Afternoon
by Samuli Suonpaa 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Peter Trei <ptrei(a)rsasecurity.com> wrote: > Bill Stewart[SMTP:bill.stewart@pobox.com] wrote >> And even then, Swedish president Palme was assassinated some years >> ago. [...] > He was far from merely a Swedish president. Quite true. He was Swedish prime-minister, there is no president in _Kingdom_ of Sweden. But I do agree with you in that what happened to Palme is more accurately characterized as an assassination, not as a terrorist act. Suonpää...

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Re: RE: Manhattan Mid-Afternoon
by Normen Nomesco 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

>I'm 100% positive that a single armed terrorist with the best training in >the world would perish within seconds at the hands of 50+ such businessmen >before taking out more than several victims. To understand this, you must >think as they did. Then how come 84 unarmed people could not take aproximatly 4 people armed with razor blades. Agh, I see it, they didn't have guns. Shit 10 kids could probably rush and take an adult armed with a knife, if they rushed him. At least one terrorist was flying, so what thats 84 people against 3 armed with exacto razor blades? Bullshit, they had knives and sharp instruments. No matter how well >trained a killer is, he is no match for odds like 120 to 4 against. How about odds of 20 to 1 with the one having a knife.... ---

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Re: MARTIAL LAW Cypherpunks and terrorism
by Declan McCullagh 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 08:06:14PM -0400, baptista(a)pccf.net wrote: > so far i have not figured that one out. sure arabs are dancing in the > street - their happy - poor arafat was doing penance today by giving > blood. and i understand the japanese red army is also being blamed for > this. but all these claims so far amount to little frills here and their > to enhance the show. i have yet to receive a clear explaination on what > drove these people to do this tragedy. You appear to be making the mistake of listening to American broadcast media, and expecting it to tell you that answer, rather than looking for the answer yourself. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/dailynews/terror_980609.html -Declan

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RE: Manhattan Mid-Afternoon
by Alfred Qeada 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

At 12:33 AM 9/12/01 -0400, Sunder wrote: >I'd still fucking rush them if I had been there. If anything it would >wake everyone else up to do the same. No, you *wouldn't* have *before* ---you'd expect to land and hang out for a while. Rather exotic for an American, but it happens. But now, of course, there'd be fucking entrails on the windows if a few swarthies pulled that now in a plane full of Quaker girl scouts. .... Nuke Yemen but don't treat Palestinian arabs like American Indians...

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