September 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Hurry cypherpunks, into Sutherlands e-Store -KPCE
by pmsutherland＠GLMH.home.com 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

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Oakleys Websites & more -WVMW
by Sutherlands.VAGH＠ecotone.toad.com 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

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deconstructing legislation
by citizenq＠hushmail.com 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - ----- Original Message ----- >On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 03:06:59PM -0700, citizenq(a)hushmail.com wrote: >> The wired-generation issue is that we don't need glib knowitall >half-information or reporting that's packaged just like an SUV ad >except it's for the socalled digiscenti. The issue is that we need >the best information that we can get and Declan's superficial >reportage of the Congressional debate does NOT fulfill the need. > >Fool. "Doesn't take criticism well." I linked to the transcript and posted the text of the bill myself. >I offered in-depth coverage. Compare and contrast to wire coverage of >the same legislation to achieve enlightenment. Is this where you set the bar when lives are on on the line? You post a link, post some text and then proclaim the sky is falling, or this thing or another thing, without analysis? My point is you have to do better. "Doesn't perform according to his potential." Never mind I'll do it myself. > >-Declan > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.0 wl0EARECAB0FAjulXccWHGNpdGl6ZW5xQGh1c2htYWlsLmNvbQAKCRDXa6sbPNqxenjU AKCs4vA+5hO1umSZnobSvs5U4SRODgCeNWLHwNSgNBH4UK6fwK+/gLqqbLU= =9cAj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: US on the move
by Anonymous User 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote: [...] > (Of course, this is all fiction, part of my helpful disinformation.) On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Reese wrote: [...] > It's broadcasting troop movements if that information is real, Reese, once again jumping prematurely at the chance to say "fuck you."

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Re: [linux-elitists] Cryptome up for mirroring (fwd)
by John Young 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

Eugene, Perhaps as a result of my lifting blocks at your request Cryptome is nearly shutdown by people sucking contents for mirroring. My intention was to encourage mirroring not of Cryptome but of important crypto tools listed at: http://jya.com/crypto-free.htm Most of Cryptome is non-essential stuff and doesn't deserve much mirroring. The crypto-free programs are much more important. We'll make available compressed versions of Cryptome for putting at a few other sites but there's no need for more than that, and our modest service is choking on the overload. Once the archive is available elsewhere URLs will be publicized. Hope you'll spread this word to other forums, and pass along the URL for crypto-free.htm instead. Unintended consequences give birth to freedom-deniers.

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MY PACKAGE STILL HASN"T CAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Stratadynamics＠aol.com 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

MY NAME IS MANUELL ROGERS AND I SENT OFF FOR YOUR STUFFFING ENVELOPES PACKAGE ABOUT 3 WEEKS AGO AND I STILL HAVEN'T RECIEVED IT I WAS WONDERING IF IT TAKES LONGER OR WHAT. ENCLOSED WAS A MONEY ORDER FOR $27.50. COULD YOU PLEASE LOOK UP MY ENVELOPE AND MAIL THE PACKAGE. MANUELL ROGERS P.S. IF I DON'T HEAR FROM YOU BY OCTOBER 1 I'M ASK TO REPORT THIS TO THE FRAUD DEPARTMENT. I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO DO THIS SO PLEASE RESPOND BACK BY E-MAIL WITH THE PROPER INFORMATION I NEED TO KNOW.

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The Enduring Power of Stupidity
by Charles Platt 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

The Enduring Power of Stupidity During the past five days I have read many essays. To me, all of them have missed a fundamental underlying point. There are two basic forces in the world: Intelligence and stupidity. Human intelligence generally is creative, and has the potential to enhance our lives. Stupidity almost always is destructive. A month ago, the power of stupidity was demonstrated on a routine basis when our president made an "ethical decision" that scientists should destroy small clumps of human cells by throwing them away, instead of using them in research to eradicate terrible diseases. This stupidity was justified by misinterpreting an archaic book of primitive myths. During the half-century that I have been alive, I've seen many similar examples of stupidity depriving us of the fruits of intelligence. Random examples include the misapplication of Marxism, the Vietnam war, the cold war, dismantling the US manned space program, eco-alarmism, and the war on drugs. No doubt every person has some favorite examples to add to this list. At the dawn of the 21st century, when Y2K was averted by a lot of smart people doing intelligent things to prevent the paralysis of modern society, I started to hope that intelligence was finally gaining an edge over stupidity. Here I am now, using a digital computer that not only facilitates my creativity as a writer, but also revolutionizes my ability to create music, videos, or graphics. Its connectivity has changed my entire working and social life. Its power has been almost totally beneficial, and it promises still greater benefits in the future. Computational molecular biology has the potential to eradicate all hunger and disease. Ultimately computational power should enable us to manipulate matter itself, enabling a new era of unlimited wealth while eliminating side effects such as pollution and global warming. We may also defeat death: I may die, but I believe my daughter has a chance to achieve biological immortality. At least, I used to believe this, until last Tuesday. On Tuesday I saw that stupidity still trumps intelligence. Those hijacked airplanes were an amazing feat of intelligent engineering, making the miracle of flight not only safe but universally accessible. The World Trade Center was a brilliantly innovative piece of architecture. Yet a handful of thugs armed with box cutters destroyed those fruits of intelligence within a few hours. The thugs, of course, were acting in accordance with their stupid misinterpretation of yet another archaic book of primitive myths. Regulatory stupidity facilitated the terrorist acts. According to the Washington Post, FAA regulations have always permitted knives up to 4 inches long on domestic flights, and all cockpit doors on all airplanes can be opened with the same master key. In any case, the doors are flimsy enough to be kicked open. At least 14 times since 1998, drunk or disturbed passengers have tried to force their way into airplane cockpits. They succeeded on 6 occasions. In 1999, a passenger on All Nippon Airways fatally stabbed a pilot. Thus, this country has pursued an aggressive, punitive foreign policy that was guaranteed to create enemies, yet took only cosmetic steps to protect its own citizens in a situation of notorious vulnerability. Worse, in the future, passengers will remain vulnerable (instead of being allowed access to tools of nonlethal self-defense such as tasers), while the foreign policy will become more aggressive, thus creating still more enemies. I'm old enough to remember how the unfettered, turbulent creativity of the 1960s dissipated in the ugly stupidities of a war in southeast Asia. I fear now that the incredible technological creativity of the past decade may be derailed by some equally stupid, unwinnable war in another remote, hostile country, causing socioeconomic chaos at home. I feel a great, overwhelming melancholy. The wonderful smart innovations in the past decade have empowered us in so many ways, yet we are still impotent compared with the techno- illiterates who claim a mandate to act stupidly on our behalf. The terrorists with box cutters, and the militants in the U.S. government, share two traits. They exercise power indiscriminately, and show no great love for technology. In fact, I believe they are hostile to it because they see how its intelligence threatens them. Their fear is justified. In the long term, I still believe that technology will eclipse dumb political power and render it obsolete. Alas, I no longer believe that I will see this happen within my lifetime. --Charles Platt ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. 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The Enduring Power of Stupidity
by Charles Platt 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

The Enduring Power of Stupidity During the past five days I have read many essays. To me, all of them have missed a fundamental underlying point. There are two basic forces in the world: Intelligence and stupidity. Human intelligence generally is creative, and has the potential to enhance our lives. Stupidity almost always is destructive. A month ago, the power of stupidity was demonstrated on a routine basis when our president made an "ethical decision" that scientists should destroy small clumps of human cells by throwing them away, instead of using them in research to eradicate terrible diseases. This stupidity was justified by misinterpreting an archaic book of primitive myths. During the half-century that I have been alive, I've seen many similar examples of stupidity depriving us of the fruits of intelligence. Random examples include the misapplication of Marxism, the Vietnam war, the cold war, dismantling the US manned space program, eco-alarmism, and the war on drugs. No doubt every person has some favorite examples to add to this list. At the dawn of the 21st century, when Y2K was averted by a lot of smart people doing intelligent things to prevent the paralysis of modern society, I started to hope that intelligence was finally gaining an edge over stupidity. Here I am now, using a digital computer that not only facilitates my creativity as a writer, but also revolutionizes my ability to create music, videos, or graphics. Its connectivity has changed my entire working and social life. Its power has been almost totally beneficial, and it promises still greater benefits in the future. Computational molecular biology has the potential to eradicate all hunger and disease. Ultimately computational power should enable us to manipulate matter itself, enabling a new era of unlimited wealth while eliminating side effects such as pollution and global warming. We may also defeat death: I may die, but I believe my daughter has a chance to achieve biological immortality. At least, I used to believe this, until last Tuesday. On Tuesday I saw that stupidity still trumps intelligence. Those hijacked airplanes were an amazing feat of intelligent engineering, making the miracle of flight not only safe but universally accessible. The World Trade Center was a brilliantly innovative piece of architecture. Yet a handful of thugs armed with box cutters destroyed those fruits of intelligence within a few hours. The thugs, of course, were acting in accordance with their stupid misinterpretation of yet another archaic book of primitive myths. Regulatory stupidity facilitated the terrorist acts. According to the Washington Post, FAA regulations have always permitted knives up to 4 inches long on domestic flights, and all cockpit doors on all airplanes can be opened with the same master key. In any case, the doors are flimsy enough to be kicked open. At least 14 times since 1998, drunk or disturbed passengers have tried to force their way into airplane cockpits. They succeeded on 6 occasions. In 1999, a passenger on All Nippon Airways fatally stabbed a pilot. Thus, this country has pursued an aggressive, punitive foreign policy that was guaranteed to create enemies, yet took only cosmetic steps to protect its own citizens in a situation of notorious vulnerability. Worse, in the future, passengers will remain vulnerable (instead of being allowed access to tools of nonlethal self-defense such as tasers), while the foreign policy will become more aggressive, thus creating still more enemies. I'm old enough to remember how the unfettered, turbulent creativity of the 1960s dissipated in the ugly stupidities of a war in southeast Asia. I fear now that the incredible technological creativity of the past decade may be derailed by some equally stupid, unwinnable war in another remote, hostile country, causing socioeconomic chaos at home. I feel a great, overwhelming melancholy. The wonderful smart innovations in the past decade have empowered us in so many ways, yet we are still impotent compared with the techno- illiterates who claim a mandate to act stupidly on our behalf. The terrorists with box cutters, and the militants in the U.S. government, share two traits. They exercise power indiscriminately, and show no great love for technology. In fact, I believe they are hostile to it because they see how its intelligence threatens them. Their fear is justified. In the long term, I still believe that technology will eclipse dumb political power and render it obsolete. Alas, I no longer believe that I will see this happen within my lifetime. --Charles Platt ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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Más de 15.000 Empresas a su disposición
by Rueda 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

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None
by citizenq＠hushmail.com 17 Sep '01

17 Sep '01

>> You missed the irony, I guess I should have put in the irony-smiley. >> >> Given the overall context of the bill, the debate on the floor, and >> it's conclusion your report is shrill and Chicken-littleish, which does >> nothing for creating credible support of resistance to eroding civil >> liberty. Do your job, support your position, and do it clearly. Right >> now I have no patience for Wired-generation smugness. >> > > >This is not a "Wired-generation" issue. This issue was one Ben Franklin, >Thomas Jefferson, and the other Founders were worried about. > The wired-generation issue is that we don't need glib knowitall half-information or reporting that's packaged just like an SUV ad except it's for the socalled digiscenti. The issue is that we need the best information that we can get and Declan's superficial reportage of the Congressional debate does NOT fulfill the need. I don't know how you could interpret my post as being anti-civil-liberty, what my post was about was: back up what you're saying because half-measures, half-thinking, halfway responses are not good enough. This is not "The Operating System Wars" for christ sake. Our lives are at stake. We need reporting that can go to the bone and get real becuase it's all so fucking packaged and showbusiness - and Wired's no better than CNN. I need data - not someone running around regurgitating the same Chicken Little stuff as last year, or 1993, or 1991. >In fact, there is no chance for public debate on this express train. New >laws are being passed by voice vote, at midnight. Some Congressmen have >admitted they have no idea what they are voting to approve, only that it >has something to do with fighting terrorism. > Show me. Show me. Goddamn it I want to know who's saying what so I can get some truth. Admitted to whom? When, where? If we are going to do the job, do it right. Otherwise don't do it at all. Otherwise it's just another crypto-jihad sort of madness. >This is the Clipper/ITAR/CDA battle compressed into a week, instead of >years. And there is no debate, no dissent. > And that again is not all true, from the portions I read in the one transcript. Ther is debate. But I need details. Who's not debating? Are you sure? In other words, to perform a service in the interests of the cause of preservation of civil liberty, we need accurate, in-depth reporting and truth, for that is the only antidote to the ignorance and darkness. And if the people on this list can't belly up to that bar, then you should just admit to yourselves you can't provide anything of value in this battle. Tim, you're of independent means, Declan you get paid to think through this stuff. Some of us have to feed families. Help us, and own your part in the struggle as others of us must do in ways you may not ever find out about. >You are welcome to give up _your_ civil liberties, but anyone trying to >take mine away has earned killing, by any means necessary. > IMO a worthless sentiment at this particular moment because it thinks only of yourself and not of anyone else - but I know you're a codger and I expect that sort of response, that's OK. But there are people with a wider responsibility, or who present themselves as having taken on that mantle of wider responsibility, so I'm hoping they stand up and do the job they have to do. >Funny, I notice how many of the critics of Cypherpunks and supporters of >this express train approach to repealing the Bill of Rights are >themselves hiding behind Cypherpunks remailers, Hushmail aliases, and >Ziplip nyms. > I'm 'hiding' because the C130s over your place are over mine too. >--Tim May

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