September 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

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19 Sep '01

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Subject: Re: kuro5hin.org || Combating Terrorism Act of 2001 - Analyzed
by citizenq＠hushmail.com 19 Sep '01

19 Sep '01

Actually I found the analysis more ... mature in outlook. Less Wired. Some stuff to agree with, some to disagree with. Declan, did you read it? >Cc: hell(a)einstein.ssz.com, cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com >Subject: Re: kuro5hin.org || Combating Terrorism Act of 2001 - Analyzed > >Relying on kuro5hin for political and legislative analysis is like relying >on the broadcast networks for in-depth reporting. > >-Declan > > >On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 07:57:55PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >> http://www.Kuro5hin.org/story/2001/9/17/22230/2697 >> --

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19 Sep '01

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Majority of Americans want anti-encryption laws, poll says
by Declan McCullagh 19 Sep '01

19 Sep '01

----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> -----

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Re: Moral Crypto
by Nomen Nescio 19 Sep '01

19 Sep '01

Tim May wrote: > On Saturday, September 1, 2001, at 01:30 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote: > > Yes and no. The users aren't all that anonymous, or they wouldn't need > > anonymous technologies, would they? The remailer network sees where > > this message originates. If you use Zero Knowledge software, their > > network knows exactly who is using it at any time. If a digital cash > > bank came into existence, payments transferred into the digital system > > from outside would largely be from identified sources. > > What can I say? You clearly don't understand: > > -- how remailer _networks_ work (Hint: nested encryption...all the first > remailer sees when he opens a message is an encrypted message he can't > read and instructions on which remailer to send it to next, and so on. > Only if most/all remailers collaborate can the route be followed by > them.) The fact that a given person is using the remailer network is not a secret. At least one remailer finds out every time he sends a message. The point is, the entry from the non-anonymous to the anonymous world is a vulnerability. > -- how Freedom works (Hint: They say that even they cannot know who is > using it, except in terms of network usage. Which with cover traffic, > forwarding of other traffic, dummy messages, etc., means the fact that > Alice was using the network during a period of time does not mean they > know which exit messages are hers.) You are not stating their claims accurately. ZKS does indeed have information about who is using it at any given time, if they operate any of the servers. Or at least the server operators can tell. Each user sets up a route through a chain of servers, and any given server knows exactly who is using it as the initial connection into the network. Again, the entry from non-anonymous into anonymous networks is visible. > -- blinding. (Hint: That Alice deposits money into a digital bank, and > is identified by the bank, does not mean the bank knows who received > digital money from Alice, because Alice unblinds the note before > spending it--or redeeming it.) No, but the fact that Alice transfered a certain amount of funds into the anonymous bank is visible to at least some observers. Once again, the point is that as you enter the anonymous world your entry is visible. Compare this with the original claim: "in a properly designed anonymity system the users will be, well, anonymous, and it should be impossible to tell any more about them than that they pay their bills on time." These examples illustrate the falsehood of this claim. Much more is learned about the customers as they enter the anonymous system. > > Nonsense. Most participants in this forum DO share common philosophical > > goals: the preservation and enhancement of individual freedom via > > technological means. This is our common heritage. People make moral > > judgements every single day on this list based on exactly this framework. > > And it is this moral view which tells us that bin Laden and his terrorist > > groups are not the market which we should target in order to advance > > these goals. > > How about McVeigh? How about The Real IRA? How about John Brown? How > about Patrick Henry/ How about Cuban exiles? (By the way, everyone > should know about the time an anti-Castro group blew up a Cuban > airliner. Terrorists, freedom fighters, or just a bunch who wants to be > in control?) Not everyone will agree with every specific case. But given our common philosophical heritage, list members can come to agreement with regard to most examples. The test is simple, whether these individuals advance the causes we support. As long as you're listing examples, what do you think about Osama bin Laden? Would you support efforts to market crypto technology to Islamic religious extremists? The great thing about bin Laden as an example is that we can see exactly what the consequences will be when he succeeds. With McVeigh, nobody knows for sure. But chances are it would be much the same if the militias achieved their goals: installation of a religious state. Supporting these people means helping bring about another Afghanistan, maybe right here at home next time. > > Surely not. Morality plays a part in everything we do. We have goals > > in common. We should structure our efforts so that they are in accordance > > with our highest goals. Having principles is nothing to be ashamed of. > > We all have them, and we should be proud of that. An additional point: if you were truly unconcerned with moral issues, you would have no objection to seeing discussion here about how we can use computer technology to promote government power and control. > From your words, I doubt you support the same goals I support. We'll see. If you support increasing government power, then you are correct. 25BA1A9F5B9010DD8C752EDE887E9AF3 [Cantsin Protocol No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Code Red seems to be back.
by Bill Stewart 19 Sep '01

19 Sep '01

Seems like Code Red or one of its little friends is back. I think breaking up Microsoft is a bad idea, but there are days it would be nice to have their Web Server and Email Worm-Propagators run by companies other than the operating system company just so fewer people would be running that dangerous dreck. :-) Somebody did a paper about a hypothetical "Andy Warhol Virus", studying how long it takes to take over a server, how many servers you can attack per minute, and what it would take to coordinate an attack that really hit everywhere. 15 minutes is about enough to hit most of the net, if you find holes in Apache and IIS that don't need manual tweaking, and if you don't alert people by scribbling their pages with "Hacked by Chinese" or "Reformatted by bin Laden" before you're done. Our chief weapons are surprise, exponential growth and dividing up target address space effectively, with quick checks to make sure you don't waste time on infected machines, and, purely optionally, an almost fanatical analysis of hosting center configs. >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:21:35 +0200 >Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> >From: "[anton.raath]" <antonline(a)GMX.CH> >Subject: Re: Net problems? Local? >To: CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM > >Hosting companies and ISPs have been seeing Code Red-style attacks on >their servers since early this morning. Pair Networks have reported >receiving "over 8000 hits per second, from as many as one hundred >thousand NT servers". > >A. > > > No problem here, although our bandwidth is as the bandwidth of ten, > > because our hearts are pure. ;) > > > > I'm having trouble getting NYTimes, WSJ, Amazon. Local outage?

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The True Story Of The Attack On America
by CJ Parker 19 Sep '01

19 Sep '01

************ A SPECIAL REPORT BY ************ "The World's Lamest Conspiracy Theorist" [TM] ********************************************* My early Report that the gNu World Order Trade Center Attack was Planned&OR&Perpetrated by "the same guys who 'done' the Kennedy's" *did* turn out to be Total BullShit, but RecentRevelations have brought PositiveProof that ThisHalfWit [TM] was on the right HalfTrack, all along. It turns out that the TwinTowerTragedy was the end result of a new Promotional Campaign for the reemergence of 'George' magazine, in which the Pilots of the HiJacked AirPlanes were supposed to 'Buzz' the WTC, creating a BigStir, with an accompanying Malestrom of Publicity. Unfortunately, the MasterMinds of 'George' magazine's Promotional Campaign had no better sense than to use Pilots that were trained by John F. Kennedy Jr. They were quite simply just Lousy Pilots, Eh? Thus the "Attack On Ameri%a" is shown to be nothing more than yet another effort by the MainStreamDream NotReallyNews Media to CoverUp yet another Grandoise FuckUp by the Kennedys, as has been going on ever since Jackie 'offed' Jack in Dallas and was Prevented from Escaping out the back of the Presidential Limosine by the Secret Service Agent who wrestled her back into the vehicle and placed her under Arrest, only to later be Accused of Groping the First Lady, in order to ShutHimTheFuckUp! [See the "Lone GunWoman Theory" Conspiracy Paper of Nov. 23, 1963] Meanwhile, Osama Been Bomb'in has been quoted as speculating that the RealReason Ameri%ans keep Observing A Minute Of Silence is that they know that Allah doesn't listen to the Prayers of InFidels, anyway. And, speaking of Moments Of Silence, I have learned from a SemiReputable Lame Conspiracy Source that George 'WhiteLine' Bush's suggestion during a Security Council meeting that those present could show Ameri%an %itizens their Resolve to Respond Quickly&OR&Strongly to the "Attack On Ameri%a" by "going out and beating up some A-RAB CabDrivers" was met by an mBareAssIng Silence, with 'DubyaEl' being deterred from this plan only by Dick Chaney reminding him, "We did that *last* week..." ===== CJ Parker #05987-196 "Proud To Be A Felon In Ameri%a!" __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/

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SI - The End of Nations, Part 3
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 19 Sep '01

19 Sep '01

Beyond the Obvious The record shows that even transitions that are undeniably real in retrospect may not be acknowledged for decades or even centuries after they happen. Consider the fall of Rome. It was probably the most important historic development in the first millennium of the Christian era. Yet long after Rome's demise, the fiction that it survived was held out to public view, like Lenin's embalmed corpse. No one who depended upon the pretenses of officials for his understanding of the "news" would have learned that Rome had fallen until long after that information ceased to matter. The reason was not merely the inadequacy of communications in the ancient world. The outcome would have been much the same had CNN miraculously been in business, running its videotape in September 476. That is when the last Roman emperor in the West, Romulus Augustulus, was captured in Ravenna and forcibly retired to a villa in Campania on a pension. Even if Wolfe Blitzer had been there with minicams recording the news in 476, it is unlikely that he or anyone else would have dared to characterize those events as marking the end of the Roman Empire. That, of course, is exactly what latter historians said happened. CNN editors probably would not have approved a headline story saying "Rome fell this evening." The powers that be denied that Rome had fallen. Peddlers of "news" seldom are partisans of controversy in ways that would undermine their own profits. They may be partisan. They may even be outrageously so. But they seldom report conclusions that would convince subscribers to cancel their subscriptions and head for the hills. Which is why few would have reported the fall of Rome even if it had been technologically possible. Experts would have come forth to say that it was ridiculous to speak of Rome falling. To have said otherwise would have been bad for business and, perhaps, bad for the health of those doing the reporting. The powers in late fifth century Rome were barbarians, and they denied that Rome had fallen. But it was not merely a case of authorities' saying, "Don't report this or we will kill you." Part of the problem was that Rome was already so degenerate by the later decades of the fifth century that its "fall" genuinely eluded the notice of most people who lived through it. In fact, it was a generation later before Count Marcellinus first suggested that "The Western Roman Empire perished with this Augustulus." 4 Many more decades passed, perhaps centuries, before there was a common acknowledgment that the Roman Empire in the West no longer existed. Certainly Charlemagne believed that he was a legitimate Roman emperor in the year 800. The point is not that Charlemagne and all who thought in conventional terms about the Roman Empire after 476 were fools. To the contrary. The characterization of social developments is frequently ambiguous. When the power of predominant institutions is brought into the bargain to reinforce a convenient conclusion, even one based largely on pretense, only someone of strong character and strong opinions would dare contradict it. If you try to put yourself in the position of a Roman of the late fifth century, it is easy to imagine how tempting it would have been to conclude that nothing had changed. That certainly was the optimistic conclusion. To have thought otherwise might have been frightening. And why come to a frightening conclusion when a reassuring one was at hand? After all, a case could have been made that business would continue as usual. It had in the past. The Roman army, and particularly the frontier garrisons, had been barbarized for centuries. By the third century, it had become regular practice for the army to proclaim a new emperor. By the fourth century, even officers were Germanized and frequently illiterate. There had been many violent overthrows of emperors before Romulus Augustulus was removed from the throne. His departure might have seemed no different to his contemporaries than many other upheavals in a chaotic time. And he was sent packing with a pension. The very fact that he received a pension, even for a brief period before he was murdered, was a reassurance that the system survived. To an optimist, Odoacer, who deposed Romulus Augustulus, reunified rather than destroyed the empire. A son of Attila's sidekick Edecon, Odoacer was a clever man. He did not proclaim himself emperor. Instead, he convened the Senate and! prevailed upon its toosuggestible members that they offer the emperorship and thus sovereignty over the whole empire to Zeno, the Eastern emperor in faraway Byzantium. Odoacer was merely to be Zeno's patricius to govern Italy. As Will Durant wrote in The Story of Civilization, these changes did not appear to be the "fall of Rome" but merely "negligible shifts on the surface of the national scene." When Rome fell, Odoacer said that Rome endured. He, along with almost everyone else, was keen to pretend that nothing had changed. They knew that "the glory that was Rome" was far better than the barbarism that was taking its place. Even the barbarians thought so. As C. W Previte-Orton wrote in The Shorter Cambridge Medieval History, the end of the fifth century, when "the Emperors had been replaced by barbaric German kings," was a time of "persistent make-believe."

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