September 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Taylor Enterprises 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

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COUPONS ON DEMAND
by Taylor Enterprises 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

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Online FEMA course: \"Emergency Response To Terrorism Self Study\"
by auto301094＠hushmail.com 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Free training from the FEMA Emergency Management Institute: Emergency Response to Terrorism: Self-Study "This course is self-paced, paper-based document and is designed to provide the basic awareness training to prepare first responders to respond to incidents of terrorism safely and effectively. Students who successfully complete the exam will be eligible for a FEMA/BJA certificate of training." Target Audience: Fire, emergency medical, hazmat, incident command and law enforcement responders. Download Emergency Response to Terrorism: Self Study (5.0 MBytes) http://www.usfa.fema.gov/nfa/tr_ertss1.htm Other free FEMA online courses available at: http://www.fema.gov/emi/crslist.htm Also of possible interest... "Compendium of Weapons of Mass Destruction Courses" http://www.usfa.fema.gov/pdf/cwmdc.pdf *** "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - - Robert A. Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.0 wl8EARECAB8FAjurwPgYHGF1dG8zMDEwOTRAaHVzaG1haWwuY29tAAoJEKadvsVlUK4P jTIAnRbbfJ83Vg45c8bnnogJ8u+sn09IAJ9rRd/dQLj7K1AidysD9G6SGi2QJA== =7eY2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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PHIL ZIMMERMANN
by Sandy Sandfort 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

C'punks, I just wrote Phil about the Washington Post interview. The following is his response: > The journalist slightly misinterpreted my remarks, and missed the > shades of grey in some of what I said. I did *not* say that I > was overwhelmed with guilt over PGP. I told her about my crying, > just as everyone else I knew had cried over what had happened. I > also told her about the hate mail, and that I "felt bad" that the > terrorists may have used PGP. Indeed I do feel bad about that. > But feeling bad about them using it is not the same as feeling > that PGP was a mistake, or that I have changed my principles > about human rights and crypto. I thought I had also made it > clear that I had no regrets about developing PGP. She did not > report any individual facts incorrectly in her article. But I > think she connected the dots in a slightly different way, and > seemed to conclude that I was wallowing in guilt over PGP. I'm > sure she meant no harm. > > I am still very much aware that PGP was a good thing, and that > strong crypto helps more than hurts. I have been saying that to > the press all week. I just said it again in two more interviews > I had before breakfast this morning, and will continue to say it. > It seems I have to say it more forcefully. > > I will prepare a statement on this later today. In the meantime, > feel free to let our colleagues know that I have not gone soft on > civil liberties. > > Regards, > Phil

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RE: Zimmermann's guilty shame... what a farce.
by Sandy Sandfort 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

Spineless "Anonymous" or "lain" or whomever wrote: > Grow a spine, Phil, you jellyfish. a) Anonymous fell for the oldest trick in book, he uncritically believed what he read in the newspaper. Missed my forwarded message from Phil, did you? b) Anyone who knows anything about what Phil has done in the face of the threats against him, has no right to call him a jellyfish. On the other hand, anyone who knows anything about Anonymous...oh, that's right, no one knows anything about Anonymous because he hides behind a pseudonym. > None of you spineless dilettantes deserve > privacy or freedom... Everyone deserves privacy and freedom, even you, Mr. jellyfish. > Zimmermann should have hit the lecture > circuit... Anonymous, please let us know where and when you will be lecturing next. I'm sure we would all like attend one of your inspiring talks so that we can learn how to be free by your example. Give me a break. S a n d y

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The Myth of Posse Comitatus
by mean-green＠hushmail.com 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

The Myth of Posse Comitatus MAJ Craig T. Trebilcock, USAR The Posse Comitatus Act has been traditionally viewed as a major barrier to the use of U.S. military forces in planning for homeland defense. In fact, many in uniform believe the Act precludes the use of U.S. military assets in domestic security operations in any but the most extraordinary situations. As is often the case, reality bears little resemblance to the myth for homeland defense planners. Through a gradual erosion of the Act’s prohibitions over the past twenty years, Posse Comitatus today is more of a procedural formality than an actual impediment to the use of U.S. military forces in homeland defense. http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/Articles/article.cfm?article=7

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Re: Zimmermann's guilty shame... what a farce.
by Meyer Wolfsheim 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, Anonymous wrote: > Grow a spine, Phil, you jellyfish. You think Ford is upset because > their U-Haul truck was used by Timmy to blow up the Federal Building? > Tears in the shower? Please... spare me. This isn't a fucking Dickens > novel or the goddamn string section of the orchestra in an Elgar > piece. Do we have to get Brando to slap you around in the smoky back > room and tell you to be a fucking man? Unreal. Before launching your tirade against Phil, did you perhaps stop and think that this could be an entirely inaccurate representation of what Phil actually said to the reporter? In an earlier article, Phil is quoted, and does not sound "guilty" or "ashamed" for having written PGP: http://www.washtech.com/news/netarch/12557-1.html > Zimmermann should have hit the lecture circuit immediately with > passionate resolve for his cause, rather than being reduced to a > withering pool of Jello by some 90 IQ random with an AOL account. What > a farce. To think I once had respect for the man. Frankly, I wouldn't know of any diplomatic way to respond to the email in question either. > Shame on you for fostering a thinly-veiled anti-crypto op-ed piece. I *highly* doubt that Phil would have given this interview if he had known that was the slant the reporter was going to take. This is why I generally do not speak to reporters. Most are self-serving sensationalistic jackasses, or simply clueless. Poor Phil, still believing in the idea that unbiased journalism is a realistic concept. > And really, in the end, how absolutely arrogant of you to think that > you somehow reach the level of importance in world affairs that could > genuinely self-attribute a significant degree of responsibility for > the events of September 11th. Again, I see nothing quoted in that article that would lead me to believe those are Phil's thoughts, rather than the reporter's. >From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1234-2001Sep20.html Let me break this down here: "Like many Americans, Phil Zimmermann, a stocky, 47-year-old computer programmer, has been crying every day since last week's terrorist attacks." Many of us, indeed, shed tears because of the events on Tuesday. Because of the loss of life, because of the actions of our own country that led to these attacks, because of the anticipation of the loss of liberties we'll face in the future, because of the fact that such violence is possible... many reasons why one would cry over the attacks and deaths of more than 5000 people. "He has been overwhelmed with feelings of guilt." Notice, no quote that would confirm this. "Zimmermann is the inventor of a computer program called Pretty Good Privacy, or PGP. He posted the tool for free on the Internet 10 years ago;" Incorrect. Kelly Goen posted it, not Phil. "it was the first to allow ordinary people to encrypt messages so only those with a "key" could read them." Also incorrect. PEM based systems existed. "No government or law enforcement agency has been able to get in." Tell that to our dear mob friend in New Jersey sitting in jail right now. Clearly this journalist does not believe in checking her facts. "People warned Zimmermann back then that he could be putting powerful technology into the wrong hands. He knew that was theoretically possible, but he also knew that the program could do good: His work created a way for people in oppressed countries to communicate without fear of retribution." True. "Now the government is investigating whether Zimmermann's technology or another scrambler was used by the hijackers to coordinate last week's attacks, and U.S. lawmakers are calling for new restrictions on the use and distribution of the technology." There has been no evidence made public whatsoever to suggest that hijackers used PGP to coordinate these attacks. The reporter made that up out of whole cloth. The US government is investigating a lot of things; no where has it been stated that they are paying any special attention to a PGP - bin Laden link. "Zimmermann and other fathers of encryption say it may be too late, given that the technology has spread all over the world." Too late for what? Too late to provide any "safety" to citizens by depriving them of the security that PGP affords, that's what. This is a watered down version of the argument that laws against crypto will not stop criminals from using it, since it is widely and freely available. "In a telephone interview from his home in Burlingame, Calif., Zimmermann said he doesn't regret posting the encryption program on the Internet. Yet he has trouble dealing with the reality that his software was likely used for evil." Phil probably said that he doesn't regret *writing* PGP, since he is always very clear that he did not post it. If he were in fact overwhelmed with guilt, he'd be regretting having written it. And the idea that "his software was likely used for evil" has nothing to do with reality. Another error on the part of the journalist. "The intellectual side of me is satisfied with the decision, but the pain that we all feel because of all the deaths mixes with this," he said. "It has been a horrific few days." Ah, finally an actual quote. Or one that appears to be, anyway. Note it's pain because of the deaths, not because of any link to PGP, that he is referring to. Conjecture on the part of the journalist. "Zimmermann read the words over and over again the next day, trying to think of a way to respond. But in the end, the man who is known in the technology world for his rousing speeches and meticulous debates didn't know what to say." I wouldn't know what to say to such an ignoramus either. Delete. "He raises some points that many people are raising right now, namely that terrorists can use the technology," Zimmermann said quietly. "But it overlooks the strong need for good crypto." This is nothing new. It is not new to us, nor is it new to Phil. It is, however, apparently quite a new idea that Ariana Eunjung Cha has yet to grasp -- tools, in the hands of good people, can be used for good. In the hands of evil people, can be used for evil. Tools are not inherently good or evil. To the Washington Post: unemployment rates are high. Can you not find journalists with a smidgeon of intelligence to staff your offices? If I were Phil, I'd sue for libel. -MW-

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PGP author under fire for terrorist use of crypto
by Craig Phillips 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

Matt: Don't know if this is of interest or not. It appears that Phil Zimmermann is taking heat directly over the whole crypto - terrorist thing. Details at: <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1234-2001Sep20.html> Regards -- Craig... ------------------ "I wonder if other dogs think poodles are members of a weird religious cult." --Rita Rudner ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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PGP author under fire for terrorist use of crypto
by Craig Phillips 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

Matt: Don't know if this is of interest or not. It appears that Phil Zimmermann is taking heat directly over the whole crypto - terrorist thing. Details at: <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1234-2001Sep20.html> Regards -- Craig... ------------------ "I wonder if other dogs think poodles are members of a weird religious cult." --Rita Rudner ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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Zimmermann's guilty shame... what a farce.
by Anonymous 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Quoting the Washington Post Article: To Attacks' Toll Add a Programmer's Grief... Contributing to [the guilt] is the hate e-mail [Zimmermann] got Sunday night. It began, "Phil -- I hope you can sleep at night with the blood of 5,000 people on your hands." PGP has become a "weapon of war," the e-mail continued, leveling the playing field between powerful countries like the United States and "zealots." Zimmermann read the words over and over again the next day, trying to think of a way to respond. But in the end, the man who is known in the technology world for his rousing speeches and meticulous debates didn't know what to say. * * * You have GOT to be kidding me. How about: "Sorry, I only accept e-mail encrypted to my PGP key. You can obtain my key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu" ? Grow a spine, Phil, you jellyfish. You think Ford is upset because their U-Haul truck was used by Timmy to blow up the Federal Building? Tears in the shower? Please... spare me. This isn't a fucking Dickens novel or the goddamn string section of the orchestra in an Elgar piece. Do we have to get Brando to slap you around in the smoky back room and tell you to be a fucking man? Unreal. Oh, how the great (or at least those with decent PR acumen) have fallen. Sad, very very sad. None of you spineless dilettantes deserve privacy or freedom. Nearly 30% don't mind detention camps for legal aliens to affect a review of their status? Sheesh. The United States so richly deserve the police state that even now approaches that it will be a piece of lyrical poetic justice if it does in fact come to pass. Bittersweet poetry perhaps, poetry none the less. Land of the free my ass. Home of the slave, I should rather think. People, until the libertarian or privacy or crypto or whathaveyou movements develop the same lust for the political (and actual) jugular commonplace among their opponents they will ever be a fractional and sidelined distraction. Nothing more. September 11, 2001 fails to mark the end of the privacy movement only if its proponents grow a backbone. None seems forthcoming. Zimmermann should have hit the lecture circuit immediately with passionate resolve for his cause, rather than being reduced to a withering pool of Jello by some 90 IQ random with an AOL account. What a farce. To think I once had respect for the man. Shame on you for fostering a thinly-veiled anti-crypto op-ed piece. You could of at least gotten 30 pieces of silver, rather than settling for the kind of public sing-song sympathy more commonly seen from the audience on the Jenny Jones show or the afternoon TV viewers of a tearful "I have sinned against you..." public confession. I hope it was worth it, you invertebrate. And really, in the end, how absolutely arrogant of you to think that you somehow reach the level of importance in world affairs that could genuinely self-attribute a significant degree of responsibility for the events of September 11th. Again, I hope it was worth it. The price the rest of us may pay for your insatiable vanity might be dear indeed. - -lain -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.1 iQA/AwUBO6uBrf6o0E6piE+3EQKaUACgtsCP5oMWoOPHHUcZnoZm2vO0zDIAniZf OvUVsIJNq4bf0ZK/uAFqf18v =rsMH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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