September 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Tim's Tips on Avoiding Prosecution
by Steve Furlong 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

Declan wrote: > ...I suspect that a "should be killed" line may be enough to garner > a conviction if you knew or should have known that folks would act on > what you say No, no, "he should be killed" is just shorthand for "he should be kill- filed". -- Steve Furlong Computer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel 617-670-3793 Don't sweat the petty things. But do pet the sweaty things.

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Re: Moral Crypto
by Fisher Mark 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

> Compare this with the original claim: "in a properly designed > anonymity > system the users will be, well, anonymous, and it should be impossible > to tell any more about them than that they pay their bills on time." > These examples illustrate the falsehood of this claim. Much more > is learned about the customers as they enter the anonymous system. But how do you know they've entered the anonymous system? If you are already being pursued by your antagonist, *and* you have been personally identified, then you have trouble you can't solve by any current software-based security technology. If you have not been personally identified, then your antagonist must either personally identify you or monitor all possible remailer network entrances. Monitoring all remailer network entrances can be done, but it is not for the weak of wallet. Even large governments do not have unlimited resources -- they must pick and choose their targets, rather than trying to go after everyone. The Soviet government and its puppet states encouraged people to turn each other in just so they didn't have to pay for 50% of the population to watch the other 50%. Large resources != infinite resources. =============================================== Mark Leighton Fisher fisherm(a)tce.com Thomson multimedia, Inc. Indianapolis IN The Illuminati are not dead -- they're just pining for the fnords...

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Re: Naughty Journal Author Denied Plea Change
by Nomen Nescio 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

J.A. Terranson writes: > This is the case I had in mind when I made my recent assertion that > thought==action in today's "court". How can anyone see this case, and not > conclude otherwise? This dude is going to spend a long time in stir, for > a *pure Thought Crime*. Gee, maybe he shouldn't have pleaded GUILTY then. How can you say that this proves that thought==action when the issue wasn't decided at trial? > On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Eric Cordian wrote: > > > Not unsurprisingly, the judge has refused to permit a man sentenced to 10 > > years in prison for textual depictions of child sex in a private journal > > to withdraw his guilty plea and get a trial.

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05 Sep '01

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Re: Moral Crypto
by Nomen Nescio 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

On Sun, 2 Sep 2001, David Honig wrote: > At 12:34 PM 9/2/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: > >Someone else: > >> The fact that you may be > >> identifiable at the point of entry to an anonymity system is > >> a weakness, not a desired feature, and if it can be avoided, it > >> should be. > >> > > > >Then design such a system. > > > You did a few lines earlier: > > >(Or if one is a remailer oneself.) Or, simply have a remailer client that randomly generates dummy traffic, and be sure to chain through multiple remailers. You don't need to accept incoming remailer traffic from other live people -- this is sufficient to hide when, if ever, you are using the remailer network. You still stick out as a remailer user, though. (A while ago, someone posted a physics question usnig a remailer, and Tim mused that they were probably a troll, since they were using a remailer to pose this question. I found that remark surprising, for precisely this reason. Everyone should use remailers from time to time to ask innocent questions, in case of being asked by The Authorities to provide an example of one's correspondence using such technology.)

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Moral Anonymizing
by Blanc 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

1. "make them work for it" (Duncan) 2. You can't prevent them from getting it 3. sell it to them just the same as any other customer 4. sell it to those who can afford it 5. actively pursue them as customers 6. as cooperative sellers, fill out their mandatory forms, tell them your race and gender, and patiently wait longer than usual to get payment 7. maintain a pro-active business relationship with them as a large-volume provider of product and updates for many of their departments and world-wide locations 8. agree to their limits on production and distribution 9. negotiate on backdoors and modifications 10. Happy Cpunk Fun Court is Not Amused You have to know where you can exert influence over quality, and where you want to draw the line against acquiescensce, in order to maintain consistency with your purported philosophy. The prospect for the future is, that either everyone must be made equally weak, or everyone must be allowed to become equally strong. If progress and virtue is in better tools, then eliminating their availability is not an option (although creating tools cannot be enforced, as it requires an intellect and creativity which it is not yet possible to coerce into existence). But providing advanced and useful tools ("giving them the fire") seems to call for a control of consequences which is beyond the humanly possible: they may just end up burning themselves up with it. Why did we, everybody, get bestowed with brains - such potential for power, yet so little wisdom to use it; a little knowledge is such a dangerous thing. .. Blanc

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Re: Moral Crypto
by Nomen Nescio 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Eric Murray wrote: > Another way to kill remailers would be through anti-spam legislation > that forbids "forging" email headers. We're already seeing some of > this. Declan brought this up in a "sky-is-falling" article about remailers and anti-spam legislation. I do not believe this is a valid threat. Mail from "juicy(a)melontraffickers.com" does come from the melontraffickers.com server. It is not forged. (Such legistion would protect against unfortunate instances like the flowers.com case.) This *would* require some remailers, like frog2, to stop allowing "From:" line specification. But that's hardly a big issue. > My guess is that the first or second is most likely. It won't even be > targeted at remailers, just at regular email. > > Killing remailers will be a by-product of regulating the net. Unless the next Tim McVeigh ever uses a remailer in his life. Mark my words: The next major act of domestic terrorism will somehow involve either crypto or remailers, *according to the government investigators' reports.* Insert appropriate fnords where necessary.

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by Declan McCullagh 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

topday: SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE Bioterrorism Full committee hearing on the treat of bioterrorism and the spread of infectious diseases. Witnesses: Sam Nunn, co-chairman/CEO, Nuclear Threat Initiative; James Woolsey, former director, CIA, partner, Shea and Gardner; D.A. Henderson, director, Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD; David Heymann, executive director, Communicable Diseases, World Health Organization, Geneva, Switzerland; Fred Ikle, distinguished scholar, Center for Strategic and International Studies; Frank Cilluffo, senior policy analyst, Center for Strategic and International Studies Location: 419 Dirksen Senate Office Building. 10 a.m. Contact: 202-224-3953 http://senate.gov/committee/foreign.html SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION, LABOR AND PENSIONS COMMITTEE Stem Cell Research Full committee hearing to examine stem cell research issues. Witnesses: Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa.; HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson; Douglas Melton, Ph.D., Thomas Dudley Cabot Professor in the Natural Sciences, chairman, Department of Molecular and Cellular Biology, Harvard University; Karen Hersey, senior counsel, Intellectual Property, Massachusetts Institute of Technology; James Childress, Ph.D., Edwin Kyle Professor of Religious Ethics, University of Virginia; Kevin FitzGerald, SJ Ph.D., Georgetown University; John Chute, head, Hematopoietic Stem Cell Studies Section, NIDDK/Navy Transplantation and Autoimmunity Branch at NIH/Bethesda Naval Medical Center Location: 106 Dirksen Senate Office Building. 9:30 a.m. Contact: 202-224-5375 http://www.senate.gov/~labor **REVISED**

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Re: Official Anonymizing
by Nomen Nescio 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, John Young wrote: > Nobody has yet seen an fbi.gov in the logs, or nsa.mil/gov, > though a few ucia.gov and nro.gov crop up, and the ubiquitous > nscs.mil. fbi.gov = <foo>.usdoj.gov, as far as web logs go.

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New Worms Seek And Destroy Code Red
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- New Worms Seek And Destroy Code Red Amid a debate over the ethics of fighting a virus with a virus, security researchers have separately released two programs that hunt down and patch computers infected with Code Red II. http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/169707.html Since ICANN is somewhat of a virus itself, after they clean up Code Red I think a new virus expanding MS client access to alternate DNS roots would be in order. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.0 wmAEARECACAFAjuV2uYZHGtleXNlci1zb3plQGh1c2htYWlsLmNvbQAKCRAg4ui5IoBV n3K0AJ9+agLjR36r4if7rK/HCNaEBA6NMwCfYwQWGbclgTr36orj8WE3L5aBVYs= =3+XH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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