August 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: RE: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison
by Jim Choate 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Faustine wrote: > Maybe this is off on a tangent, but why "trust" anyone unless you have > something substantial to gain by it? I don't give anyone my trust or ask to > be trusted in return unless I have a damn good reason. In fact, it's > significant if I even consent to open an e-mail from someone, much less > answer it. > > How many times has someone "overtly proven themselves trustworthy" and then > turned around and stabbed you in the back for no good reason at all? How > many times have people here had law enforcement sicced on them over some > two-bit petty quibble? Is spilling your guts to people in the interest of > ego-enhancing camaraderie really worth the risk you put yourself in by > giving them the power of your information to hold over you? No thanks, I'll > pass. Don't trust me and I'll be happy to return the favor. There was an interesting show on last night about this, I caught it unexpectedly so I don't know channel or title (sorry). It was pretty interesting in that it demonstrated pretty conclusively that 'friendship' and 'trust' are figments of human psychology to cover up reality. The protocol was to have two friends volunteer in a study. They were grouped with two strangers. A set of three of them would then provide hints from a list of 10 items related to the word they were trying to get the fourth person to select. Clearly one of the three must be a 'friend' of the fourth receiving hints. The test was rigged so that the first person did poorly irrespective of the hints (the list of allowable hints was rigged). When the two friends switched the person who did poorly intentionaly picked harder hints from the list. When asked about it afterward they advised they didn't want their friend to do better than them. Etu Brute? -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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SIG: Governments push open-source software - Tech News - CNET.com
by Jim Choate 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

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Speaking of blimps...
by Jim Choate 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

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by ECAREONLINE 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

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RE: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison
by Faustine 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

John wrote: >To not blindly tar everyone with this, I concede that those >who have overtly proven they are trustworthy and continue >to do so overtly, that is in public under fire, deserve a >chance on trust on short-terms. Talk about deserving trust >from any previleged position is just authoritarian talk. Maybe this is off on a tangent, but why "trust" anyone unless you have something substantial to gain by it? I don't give anyone my trust or ask to be trusted in return unless I have a damn good reason. In fact, it's significant if I even consent to open an e-mail from someone, much less answer it. How many times has someone "overtly proven themselves trustworthy" and then turned around and stabbed you in the back for no good reason at all? How many times have people here had law enforcement sicced on them over some two-bit petty quibble? Is spilling your guts to people in the interest of ego-enhancing camaraderie really worth the risk you put yourself in by giving them the power of your information to hold over you? No thanks, I'll pass. Don't trust me and I'll be happy to return the favor. Which reminds me, I don't know why people here seem to think that any sort of "deception operation" would come from people who show up using nyms to express unpopular opinions. (e.g. "you said something I don't want to hear; threfore its FUD and you're a fed.") On the contrary, a really first-rate deception job would probably involve having someone post under their own name and acting in apparent good faith for years, only introducing the deceptive elements gradually, after they've had ample time to "overtly prove themselves trustworthy". If you go around assuming everything is as transparent as the "AOL b0mbz kiddiez" troll you're setting yourself up for a rude awakening. Now whether you choose to take that as an empty scare tactic or someone genuinely trying to get you to collectively wake up? Your call. I think one of the biggest lessons to take away from the Bell and Johnson cases is the immense danger of practicing abysmally shitty tradecraft while letting your emotions get the better of you. The unbalanced are always easy prey--using the case documents as a "spot the mistakes" instruction manual for what NOT to do couldn't hurt either. ~Faustine.

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by Market-Street 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

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Slashdot | Australian Court OKs International Net-Defamation Suit
by Jim Choate 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

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The Register - CBI warns of UK cybercrime epidemic
by Jim Choate 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

Funny numbers? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/23/21339.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
by Gil Hamilton 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

Idiot bimbo writes: >[GH writes:] > > Didn't you already sign on? Surely through your careful study of the > > archives you know that one of the founding documents for this list is > > Tim's "Crypto Anarchist Manifesto". It's practically the charter. > > See, for example, > > http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Crypto_misc/cryptoanarchist.manifesto >No. > >There wasn't even a clickwrap. My point of course - which through either duplicity or rank ignorance seems to have gone right over your head - is that your mere presence on this list as a reader and especially poster of messages is sufficient to associate you with Tim and his Crypto Anarchist Manifesto brush, and with Jim Bell and his Assassination Politics, and with CJ and his "plot" to plant bombs and terrorize federal judges and Bill Gates, and with Eric Michael Cordian and his defense of BoyNet and NAMBLA, [and lions, tigers and bears, oh my!] "So let me get this straight, Ms. Farr, you hang out and "cyber-chat" with these hackers and copyright thieves, and with known anti-government extremists, anarchists, and convicted chemical-weapon terrorists, and with pedophiles and child pornographers about how to hide their illegal acts with this 'encryption technology'. What did you say your purpose in that was again?" Everyone on this list who isn't already working for the govt can easily be tarred with the same brush that painted Jim Bell and CJ. If you are really too dense to see this, it's time someone spelled it out for you. And if not, then you clearly are not the disingenue you profess to be. - GH _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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