August 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
by Nomen Nescio 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

>Members of the IRA are not freedom fighters in a communist-controlled >country. bin Laden did fall under that definition when he was fighting The naivety of poster is appaling. I hope that "freedom fighters" in a "communist-controlled country" is used as a placeholder for "something good as positive" but I wouldn't bet on it. Apparently ability to spell "crypto" does not imply political sapiense beyond that of inbred pigfucking redneck from Alabama (this is a place holder). You guys just want to do good things, like spreading crypto, right, without bothering much to figure out who's who on the planet. I have seen more intelligent dicourses on global politics and society on late night shopping channel shows than here. Fortunately crypto is good in itself. Any crypto anywhere is a good crypto.

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Re: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
by Nomen Nescio 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

Gil Hamilton (great nym!) wrote: > Didn't you already sign on? Surely through your careful study of the > archives you know that one of the founding documents for this list is > Tim's "Crypto Anarchist Manifesto". It's practically the charter. > See, for example, > http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Crypto_misc/cryptoanarchist.manifesto Equally relevant is the companion Cypherpunk's Manifesto, http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Crypto_misc/cypherpunk.manifesto, by Eric Hughes. Hughes was co-founder of the cypherpunks, with Tim May, although May has maintained a larger presence on the list. Eric Hughes' document is largely forgotten other than "Cypherpunks write code." But let us look at one of its concluding points: For privacy to be widespread it must be part of a social contract. People must come and together deploy these systems for the common good. Privacy only extends so far as the cooperation of one's fellows in society. We the Cypherpunks seek your questions and your concerns and hope we may engage you so that we do not deceive ourselves. We will not, however, be moved out of our course because some may disagree with our goals. List subscribers may be surprised to see such sentiments from a cypherpunks founder. Privacy as a social contract? Depending on the cooperation of one's fellows in society? Seeking engagement with those who disagree? Where is the hatred, the aggression? Where is the applause for shooting policemen in the face, or killing innocent children to make a political point? Where is the disdain and thin-skinned, spiteful resentment at criticism? None of these are inherent characteristics of the cypherpunk philosophy. It is often forgotten that the cypherpunks movement is not primarily political or legal or even technical. It is moral. Cypherpunks have a vision of a morally superior society, and they seek to achieve it through technology. The cypherpunk world replaces coercion with cooperation. It provides the shield of anonymity against those who would offer violence and aggression. As we move into the information age, control of information is control of the individual. Thus, privacy, control of information about one's self, is freedom. And as Eric Hughes points out, cypherpunk technologies are ultimately based on social cooperation. By definition, anonymity is meaningless unless it is attained as part of a group. "People must come together and deploy these systems for the common good." If it sounds ironic or paradoxical that cypherpunks are motivated for the common good and bound by a social contract, you've been mixing with the wrong cypherpunks. Learn to see the cooperative philosophy behind the movement and you will come to a better understanding of its potential and its problems. Cypherpunks don't have to be misanthropes and curmudgeons. There is need for idealists, for visionaries, for those who want to make the world a better place than they found it, who want to improve the lives of all classes of people. Only in this way will the full potential of the cypherpunks philosophy be reached. === "Any message posted to cypherpunks via an anonymous remailer gets an automatic +2 on hit points, for it practices what it preaches." -- Anonymous

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Re: FC: When anyone can publish, who's a journalist now?
by Michael Maynard 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

In response to Mr. Geer, first of all, he does a cute debating trick of confusing terms. The original question was "who is a writer?" which he changed to "who is a journalist?. There is a big difference. Anyone can write, but not everyone can be a journalist. There are rules and ethics associated with being a journalist, such as verifying facts, using direct quotes only when directly attributible from the source, and requiring at least two sources when verifying information provided from an unknown or questionable oringinal source. These rules and ethics have certainly been diminshed in recent years through the works of self-styled "journalists", like Matt Drudge. However, true journalism, passed down to us from our precedessors, such as H.L. Mencken, is a very honorable and necessary profession. Right now, the world needs more true journalists and less journlistic poseurs who have tried to confuse tabloid-level sensationalism to be real journalism. So, Mr. Geer, your press pass is definitely denied. **********

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Re: FC: When anyone can publish, who's a journalist now?
by Michael Maynard 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

In response to Mr. Geer, first of all, he does a cute debating trick of confusing terms. The original question was "who is a writer?" which he changed to "who is a journalist?. There is a big difference. Anyone can write, but not everyone can be a journalist. There are rules and ethics associated with being a journalist, such as verifying facts, using direct quotes only when directly attributible from the source, and requiring at least two sources when verifying information provided from an unknown or questionable oringinal source. These rules and ethics have certainly been diminshed in recent years through the works of self-styled "journalists", like Matt Drudge. However, true journalism, passed down to us from our precedessors, such as H.L. Mencken, is a very honorable and necessary profession. Right now, the world needs more true journalists and less journlistic poseurs who have tried to confuse tabloid-level sensationalism to be real journalism. So, Mr. Geer, your press pass is definitely denied. **********

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29 Aug '01

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Re: Fwd: Re: Tim May and anonymous flames
by Faustine 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

Gary Jeffers wrote: >1. It is predictable that Tim May will be flammed. Ya think? >The FBI has a history of covertly sowing internal dissent in dissident >groups. As a leading Cypherpunk, May is an obvious target. "Target"? Anyone who is strong-willed and has a provocative writing style is going to get flamed here, period. If a person didn't enjoy the back-and- forth, they probably would have left a long time ago. It's the Tom-Turkey-and-a-bunch-of-Jakes phenomenon. >5. The flames will be seeded with clues to imply that a particular > Cypherpunk did them: distinctive syntax, mispellings, phrases, etc. Why give it any significance, then? Who cares, if it's just an anonymous pot shot? If people didn't endow it with credibility, it wouldn't have any impact at all. You turn your own imagination into your worst enemy. Don't be so gullible. 9. Anybody have any good defenses against this attack. Yeah, a top-secret SCI weapon known as "a filter file". More seriously, learn not to lose your head over unattributed insults and accusations. Whenever you find yourself tempted to reply to a "you poopy head" thread in kind, don't. Give it up, move on to something more rewarding. If every tiny little insult is enough to work you into a red hot lather, before you know it, the more cold-blooded are going to have you dancing like a galvanic frog. Which would you rather be? The choice is just a mouse click away. And if you're wasting your time bickering over nonsense, you have only yourself to blame. ~Faustine.

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08-29-01 -- ACLU Action Update: Oppose the Expansion of
by action＠dcaclu.org 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

Government Secrecy! TO: ACLU Action Network FR: Jared Feuer, Internet Organizer DT: August 29, 2001 Last year, with little debate and no public hearings, Congress adopted an intelligence authorization bill that contained a provision to criminalize all leaks of classified information. Although President Clinton vetoed the bill, this year's intelligence authorization bill may include the identical provision. If this provision is allowed to become law, it would essentially eliminate the check on government power that public scrutiny provides! To accomplish the crucial role of exposing government misdeeds, most major news outlets often base stories on classified information. A recent example of such a story is the government bungling of the Wen Ho Lee case. If this provision becomes law however, reporters that rely on leaks of classified information to expose government misconduct could be compelled by subpoena to reveal the source of the leak, or go to prison if they refuse. Current law already protects national security by prohibiting the disclosure of certain classified information that could cause serious harm, such as the disclosure of the names of covert agents. This was deemed enough to protect the national security even during the heyday of the Cold War. Take Action! The government should not be allowed to hide its mistakes, incompetence, political embarrassments, and even in some cases, criminal behavior behind a classified stamp. You can read more and send a FREE FAX from our action alert at: http://www.aclu.org/action/classified107.html ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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08-29-01 -- ACLU Action Update: Oppose the Expansion of
by action＠dcaclu.org 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

Government Secrecy! TO: ACLU Action Network FR: Jared Feuer, Internet Organizer DT: August 29, 2001 Last year, with little debate and no public hearings, Congress adopted an intelligence authorization bill that contained a provision to criminalize all leaks of classified information. Although President Clinton vetoed the bill, this year's intelligence authorization bill may include the identical provision. If this provision is allowed to become law, it would essentially eliminate the check on government power that public scrutiny provides! To accomplish the crucial role of exposing government misdeeds, most major news outlets often base stories on classified information. A recent example of such a story is the government bungling of the Wen Ho Lee case. If this provision becomes law however, reporters that rely on leaks of classified information to expose government misconduct could be compelled by subpoena to reveal the source of the leak, or go to prison if they refuse. Current law already protects national security by prohibiting the disclosure of certain classified information that could cause serious harm, such as the disclosure of the names of covert agents. This was deemed enough to protect the national security even during the heyday of the Cold War. Take Action! The government should not be allowed to hide its mistakes, incompetence, political embarrassments, and even in some cases, criminal behavior behind a classified stamp. You can read more and send a FREE FAX from our action alert at: http://www.aclu.org/action/classified107.html ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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JAG: The Show, The Cast and Crew, The Convention
by JAGnik 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

To remove your address from our mailing database please click the following link http://www.jagnik.com/remove.asp?address=cypherpunks@toad.com PRESS RELEASE Date: August 19, 2001 Organization: JAGnik Association PO Box 2000 Florence, Arizona 85232-2000 Contact: Barbara Badeaux Convention Coordinator Phone: (520) 868-1994 Email: Convention(a)JAGniik.com Web Site: www.JAGnik.com "JAG" Fans Worldwide Gather To Celebrate The Hit TV Series Florence, AZ, August 19, 2001 - On October 12th through the 15th at the Four Points Sheraton LAX in Los Angeles join die-hard JAGnik fans from the United States, Australia, Denmark, England, Italy and elsewhere to meet the stars and celebrate their enthusiasm for the hit TV series, "JAG," the story of the United States Navy's Judge Advocate General's program, at the JAGnik Invasion 2001. For six years and running, JAG, the overwhelmingly popular CBS television military drama has riveted millions of diehard viewers to their seats with outstanding programming. Terrorism, rape, murder, UFO's, women's rights, the Gulf War - JAG tackles them all like no other TV series has ever done. Now meet the stars, directors, writers, get autographs, and find out how they do it. If you are JAG fan, you can't miss this! The JAGnik 2001 convention - the 2nd one of its kind -- will host panel discussions with the cast and crew of JAG, as well as autograph sessions, a charity auction, and a "Charity Brunch" with the stars of one of the most popular programs ever produced. JAG's "Top Gun" stars are expected to be there. Heartthrobs David James Elliot as Lt. Cmdr Harmon Rabb, Jr. and Catherine Bell as Lt. Colonel Sarah "Mac" MacKenzie, who portray military legal eagles who investigate, prosecute, and defend Navy and Marine personnel around the world. Together with Patrick Labyorteaux (Lt. Bud Roberts, Jr.), John M. Jackson (Admiral, former Navy SEAL, Chegwidden), Karri Turner (Lt. jg Harriet Sims), Randy Vasquez (Gunny Victor Valendiz), Chuck Carrington (PO3 Tiner), and Trevor Goddard (Mic Brumbly) the lawyers explore issues facing today's military personnel. Schedules permitting, many of them plan to be there for you to meet. Meet people behind the cameras - writers, production staff - along with recurring stars and occasional guests too. Participate in panel discussions. Let them tell you how JAG develops from an idea into a one-hour action packed finished product. The autograph sessions, auction, and brunch will give the fans a chance to get to know and talk with the stars who portray their favorite characters. Go to on site locations where it really happens. Jagnik Invasion 2001 will be held October 12 - 15 at the Four Points Sheraton LAX in Los Angeles, CA. Information about the convention can be found at our website, www.JAGnik.com or by calling Barbara Badeaux at (520) 868-1994, or writing JAGnik Association, PO Box 2000, Florence, Arizona 85232-2000. We comply with proposed federal legislation regarding unsolicited commercial e-mail by providing you with a method for your e-mail address to be permanently removed from our database and any future mailings from our company. To remove your address from our mailing database please click the following link http://www.jagnik.com/remove.asp?address=cypherpunks@toad.com

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All Purpose Bombz Response
by Duncan Frissell 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

Whenever I receive the following generic troll: >Please send me info on bombs...step by step instructions...Thanx I send the following response: The real good stuff isn't on the Net. Call your favorite OP book search person and get him to find you a copy of: Eissler, M. "A Handbook on Modern Explosives: A Practical Treatise, with Chapters on Explosives in Practical Applications" London: Crosby Lockwood and Son, 1897. 2nd, Enlarged, fair, illus., appendices, index. It'll set you back about $100 these days. ********** Just trying to upgrade the erudition of today's bombers. DCF ---- [1] And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. [3} ... but, my lord the king, are they not all my lord's servants? why then doth my lord require this thing? why will he be a cause of trespass to Israel? [7] And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel. 1 Chronicles 21.

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