July 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)
by Trei, Peter 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

> ---------- > From: Trei, Peter > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 3:05 PM > To: 'Ray Dillinger' > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites) > > > > > ---------- > > From: Ray Dillinger[SMTP:bear@sonic.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:36 PM > > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > > Subject: Re: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites) > > > > > > > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Dynamite Bob wrote: > > <quoting someone who is not participating in this discussion> > > >"The property in question here is geostationary," > > >said Larry Hoenig, a San Francisco attorney > > >representing Hughes Electronics. "Geostationary > > >satellites sit above the equator in a fixed > > >position; they do not rotate around the Earth. So > > >the satellites we're talking about here are not > > >movable property." > > > Actually, there's a curious legal precedent which might > help the satellite holders. One of the NASA probes (perhaps > the atmospheric probe to Jupiter? Did we have a Venus probe?) > had an instrument window made of diamond. The fairly large > diamond used drew considerable import duty when it was > brought into the US, but that duty was returned after the > launch, since the diamond had been 're-exported'. This > seems to my IANAL logic to set a precedent that an > asset in space is not in the US. > ...you can find anything on the net if you choose to look.... This was the Pionner Venus Orbiter, built by Hughes and launched in 1978. http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/diamond.txt ----------------- FROM: "Dr. Mark W. Lund" <mlund(a)moxtek.com> SUBJECT: Re: Who makes big diamond windows? DATE: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:11:44 -0600 ORGANIZATION: MOXTEK, Inc. NEWSGROUPS: sci.optics Nelson Wallace wrote: > "Big" meaning around 1 inch diameter, say 0.1" thick. > Regards, Nelson Wallace Wow, you TRW-government-contracting-no-holds-barred- success-at-any-cost-if-you-have-to-ask-you-can't-afford-it guys have all the fun. Hughes Aircraft bought the diamond window on the Venus probe nephelometer from DeBeers. I remember that it was suggested to the principle investigator that he could save a lot of money if he used two smaller windows, but he was worried that they might not be the same temperature, so he splurged. I also remember that when the probe landed on Venus the US Customs people refunded the customs duty, since the diamond had been re-exported. ------------------------------------

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RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)
by Trei, Peter 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

> ---------- > From: Ray Dillinger[SMTP:bear@sonic.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:36 PM > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Re: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites) > > > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Dynamite Bob wrote: > <quoting someone who is not participating in this discussion> > >"The property in question here is geostationary," > >said Larry Hoenig, a San Francisco attorney > >representing Hughes Electronics. "Geostationary > >satellites sit above the equator in a fixed > >position; they do not rotate around the Earth. So > >the satellites we're talking about here are not > >movable property." > Actually, there's a curious legal precedent which might help the satellite holders. One of the NASA probes (perhaps the atmospheric probe to Jupiter? Did we have a Venus probe?) had an instrument window made of diamond. The fairly large diamond used drew considerable import duty when it was brought into the US, but that duty was returned after the launch, since the diamond had been 're-exported'. This seems to my IANAL logic to set a precedent that an asset in space is not in the US. > Since the equator does not pass through California, it > follows that any property hanging above a point on the > equator is NOT within the borders of California -- no > matter how far up you extend them. So I doubt the > claim of jurisdiction. Hmmm. Maybe their theory is that > because it's not within another nation's border, property > owned by US citizens is subject to American Taxes. That > would be bad. > > Or maybe they're attempting to establish a doctrine that > Americans can be charged property tax on property they > hold outside the borders of the US regardless of whether > it's in the borders of another country. That would be > worse. At the very least it would provide substantial > disincentive to retaining American citizenship. [...] > Bear > Actually, the USG doesn't give a damn whether it's in the US, in another country , or neither. If they want to, they'll tax it. Expatriate US citizens have to pay income tax on foreign earned income to the US (I think only the US, Egypt, and the Phillipines do this). Even if you give up your US citizenship, the IRS expects to tax you for a further 10 years if your net worth is over $350k when you vacate your US citizenship. If you don't pay up, they might not be able to extradite you if you're now a foreigner, but they'll go after your assets in the US, or arrest you if you set foot on US soil. (13 years as an expatriate leads to some specialized knowledge :-) Peter Trei

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Pigs Drive Man to Suicide and Steal His Estate
by Eric Cordian 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

More great moments in civil forfeiture. Cops entrap person. Person kills himself in jail, or at least, that's what the cops are reporting. Cops make profit of $750,000 by seizing estate using civil forfeiture laws. No messy trial. Cash for everyone. Grieving parents in no mood to quibble. ----- NEW YORK (AP) -- The estate of a man who committed suicide in jail while being held on drug charges has been ordered to pay $750,000 to the Nassau County district attorney's office. The ruling, part of a settlement in a civil forfeiture case, was the first in the state in which a prosecutor sought assets from a dead person, Newsday reported Tuesday. State law allows prosecutors to seize money from convicted felons if it can be established that the money was obtained illegally, said Rick Henshaw, spokesman for District Attorney Denis Dillon. Robert Vorbeck, 38, was arrested July 2, 1999, for allegedly selling cocaine to undercover officers, and committed suicide in his county jail cell 11 days later. He had faced life in prison if convicted of felony drug charges. The attorney for his estate, Steven Kessler, said Vorbeck's parents wanted to settle. ''They just wanted to put this behind them, move on and grieve,'' Kessler said. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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rent seeking behavior -the final frontier
by Dynamite Bob 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Tuesday July 10 10:11 AM EDT L.A. County Targets Satellites in Out-of-This-World Tax Plan By NANCY VOGEL, TIMES STAFF WRITER SACRAMENTO -- Los Angeles County officials, realizing that there is no tax collector in outer space, hope to fill the void. Reaching 22,300 miles above the equator, boldly going where no tax collector has gone before, Los Angeles County Assessor Rick Auerbach is angling to impose property taxes on several satellites. Though never done before in California, the move is legal, say state and county tax attorneys. That's because, they say, nobody else is taxing the satellites and they are valuable property owned by a Los Angeles County-based company. Worth as much as $100 million each to Hughes Electronics in El Segundo, the satellites could bring in millions of dollars a year in taxes to schools and government. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/latimes/20010710/lo/l_a_county_targets_satelli…

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Thought-A-Day
by Fountain Of Inspiration 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

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TE INFORMAMOS
by cofor 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Jacarilla 8.7.2001.Publicidad/Enseńanza a Distancia Hola que tal: El motivo de la presente carta es informarte de la posibilidad de poder realizar algún curso a distancia de tu interés, cursos relacionados con tu trabajo inquietudes y ocio.ect.El conocimiento es el mayor patrimonio de que podemos disponer. Nos dedicamos desde 1996.a impartir cursos a distancia disponemos de una amplia variedad de cursos sencillos para poder seguirlos comodamente desde cualquier parte del mundo y a unos precios muy competitivos. NET ------------ Comercio Electrónico Redes y Sistemas Sistemas Servers Diseńo Web Direccion Empresa Net Management Business BUSINESS ------------ Gestor Comercial y Marketing Marketing Mix Relaciones Publicas Dirección Planificación de Empresa Recursos Humanos Comercio Exterior Direccion Comercial Gestión Medio Ambiental Control de Calidad Management Business Dirección de Restaurantes ---------------------------------- SALUD SUPERACION PERSONAL ------------------------------------- Superación de Estrés Psicoterapia Dietética y Nutrición Dieta Mediterránea Nutrí terapia y Salud Nutrición y Deporte Cocina Sana Monitor Aeróbic-Fittnes Monitor Yoga Tai-Chi Hipnoterapia Quiromasaje y Reflexoterapia Aromaterapia Cosmética Natural Hierbas Medicinales -------------------------------------- Los cursos son de 200.horas lectivas el precio standar por curso es de 35.000.pts.Espańa a plazos.Iberoamerica 150.usa dolar aplazados. El Diploma: "Técnico Especialista" El tiempo aproximado por curso dependiendo de los conocimientos en areas similares de que se disponga,es entre 2-6.meses.aprox. Si desean que les ampliemos información pueden enviar un e-mail les contestaremos con la mayor brevedad y les indicaremos nuestro espacio web que se encuentra en reformas. Envie e-mail: COFOTR(a)terra.es Sin otra que rogarte me envies un e-mail si estas interesado/a Te enviamos un saludo. Merce Sanchez Gestión Integral 1.S.L C/ Virgen de Belén, 30 03310 Jacarilla (Alicante)ESPAŃA Si desea no recibir mas e-mail.: MAIL_89(a)terra.es

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biochemwomdterror in dc
by Declan McCullagh 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

HOUSE GOVERNMENT REFORM COMMITTEE Biological Weapons National Security, Veterans Affairs and International Relations Subcommittee oversight hearing on "Biological Weapons Convention Protocol: Status and Implications." (Previously scheduled for July 9.) Witnesses: Ambassador Donald Mahley, special negotiator, Chemical and Biological Arms Control, State Department; Ambassador Tibor Toth, chairman, Ad Hoc Group of the States Parties to the Biological Weapons Convention Location: 2154 Rayburn House Office Building. 2 p.m. Contact: 202-225-5074 http://www.house.gov/reform

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Re: Condit's false testimony to cops
by George＠Orwellian.Org 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

<measl(a)mfn.org> wrote: # # I'm sure the locals aren't looking forward to pissing off one # of their potential "agents of funding" on something as # inconsequential as a simple bimbo killing... Yes, that's a factoid not to be dismissed. Today on the news it was clearly stated that the DC police answer to their funders and bosses: Congress. Congress owns the DC police. Only now are Republicans are starting to talk negatively about Condit... Tim May wrote: # # Whether Condit did it, or his angry wife did it, His wife is suffering from encephalitis. Tim May wrote: # # Washington is worried about the chains and concrete blocks around # Chandra's ankles not being enough to keep her down. The bloated # bureaucracy fears the bloated body of another bimbo floating # to the surface. # # A bimbo eruption, as it were. Heh-heh-heh.

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TE INFORMAMOS
by cofor 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Jacarilla 8.7.2001.Publicidad/Enseńanza a Distancia Hola que tal: El motivo de la presente carta es informarte de la posibilidad de poder realizar algún curso a distancia de tu interés, cursos relacionados con tu trabajo inquietudes y ocio.ect.El conocimiento es el mayor patrimonio de que podemos disponer. Nos dedicamos desde 1996.a impartir cursos a distancia disponemos de una amplia variedad de cursos sencillos para poder seguirlos comodamente desde cualquier parte del mundo y a unos precios muy competitivos. NET ------------ Comercio Electrónico Redes y Sistemas Sistemas Servers Diseńo Web Direccion Empresa Net Management Business BUSINESS ------------ Gestor Comercial y Marketing Marketing Mix Relaciones Publicas Dirección Planificación de Empresa Recursos Humanos Comercio Exterior Direccion Comercial Gestión Medio Ambiental Control de Calidad Management Business Dirección de Restaurantes ---------------------------------- SALUD SUPERACION PERSONAL ------------------------------------- Superación de Estrés Psicoterapia Dietética y Nutrición Dieta Mediterránea Nutrí terapia y Salud Nutrición y Deporte Cocina Sana Monitor Aeróbic-Fittnes Monitor Yoga Tai-Chi Hipnoterapia Quiromasaje y Reflexoterapia Aromaterapia Cosmética Natural Hierbas Medicinales -------------------------------------- Los cursos son de 200.horas lectivas el precio standar por curso es de 35.000.pts.Espańa a plazos.Iberoamerica 150.usa dolar aplazados. El Diploma: "Técnico Especialista" El tiempo aproximado por curso dependiendo de los conocimientos en areas similares de que se disponga,es entre 2-6.meses.aprox. Si desean que les ampliemos información pueden enviar un e-mail les contestaremos con la mayor brevedad y les indicaremos nuestro espacio web que se encuentra en reformas. Envie e-mail: COFOTR(a)terra.es Sin otra que rogarte me envies un e-mail si estas interesado/a Te enviamos un saludo. Merce Sanchez Gestión Integral 1.S.L C/ Virgen de Belén, 30 03310 Jacarilla (Alicante)ESPAŃA Si desea no recibir mas e-mail.: MAIL_89(a)terra.es

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Reversal of spin in an optical vortex now reported...
by Jim Choate 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

http://unisci.com/stories/20013/0710012.htm James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate(a)tivoli.com

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