July 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

TV as an indicator...
by Ray Dillinger 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

I turned on a television set last night, for the first time in many months. I was watching videotapes, but I caught fragments of shows while tapes were rewinding, etc. American TV has taken a definite turn for the vicious since I last watched. It's still pablum-and-opiates, but someone has spiked it. We're seeing an increasing focus on elitism, "survival of the fittest", etc -- shows that present the "elimination" of the weak as a virtue, and where game-show hosts masquerading as intellectuals intentionally humiliate contestants. We are seing a separation of moral responsibility from action and being conditioned to accept viciousness in authority figures. We are also being conditioned to accept the idea that some form of pseudo-intellectual "correctness" excuses viciousness. The tone is very similar to "entertainment" or "public education" films that were produced by the propaganda arm of the german National Socialist party in 1936-1938, which I remember from school but which folk in Germany, or those who attend current-day American schools, will not recognize due to censorship. We forget history, believing that this will prevent us from repeating it rather than the other way round.... The progression was reasonably simple, as I recall. First, the people are conditioned to accept "harsh reality", survival of the fittest, etc. Second, the people are conditioned to accept that, these things being inevitable, hurrying them along is a virtue. Third, some class of people are identified as being "inferior" and pseudoscience upholding the claim is advanced. The shows I saw last night were deep into the second stage, and universal public monitoring is now more pervasive here than it was then and there, and our schools are raising a generation of people who think monitoring and draconian weapons laws are normal, and ideas not "politically correct" are being persecuted as vigorously here as they were in Nazi Germany. The parallels continue... The "new media must be controlled" of that era was radio and television -- now it's the internet. Same basic debates going on -- most of the same outcomes happening. I am scared. Bear

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Condit's false testimony to cops
by Dynamite Bob 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Its illegal to lie to cops (though not to be mute to them). Will Condit get busted for lying about bonking his intern or are congresscritters special objects?

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CA facial recognition bill
by Aimee Farr 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

FACIAL RECOGNITION: On July 5 Sen. Bowen introduced a revised bill removing all provisions to which IBIA objected, most notably the warrant requirement. The IBIA letter contains a discussion of the Katz, Dionisio and Kyllo decisions @ http://www.ibia.org/newslett.htm Arizona also has a CCTV notice-bill: http://www.azleg.state.az.us/legtext/45leg/1r/bills/hb2470p.pdf ~Aimee

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Re: Meatspace anonymity manual
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Sampo Syreeni wrote: > The only logical conclusion I can see to skirmishes between black-clad > anarchists, going on "street operations", and governmental riot control > forces, is that the police are eventually given the right to just gun the > protestors down, irregardless of whether they have *done* anything. Unless > the Bloc actually has enough muscle to overthrow something before then, > which I highly doubt, their raising the stakes seems fairly unwise. Maybe that would be a GoodThing@ -- violence by the government always radicalizes more people, and more people need to become aware that all those cops need killing. And things won't change until enough people are willing to pick up a gun.

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Who Said This?
by Don White 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Who said, "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death . . . " Thanks, Don White

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Re: TV as an indicator...
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

> I remember seeing the Nazi agitprop films during anthropology classes > in college. I'm not saying that modern TV is particularly splendid. > But at the producers are capitalists trying to maximize ratings (and > sex and insults may do that), not murderous government officials > trying to justify mass extinction. > > -Declan > yup, $ not gas, but it is not necessarily wrong to be looking for subtle themes that might inadvertently disclose a deeper illness. > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 09:20:32AM -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: > > I turned on a television set last night, for the first time in many > > months. I was watching videotapes, but I caught fragments of shows > > while tapes were rewinding, etc. > > > >[snip] > > > > First, the people are conditioned to accept "harsh reality", survival > > of the fittest, etc. > > Second, the people are conditioned to accept that, these things being > > inevitable, hurrying them along is a virtue. > > Third, some class of people are identified as being "inferior" and > > pseudoscience upholding the claim is advanced. > > > > The shows I saw last night were deep into the second stage, and > > universal public monitoring is now more pervasive here than it was > > then and there, and our schools are raising a generation of people > > who think monitoring and draconian weapons laws are normal, and > > ideas not "politically correct" are being persecuted as vigorously > > here as they were in Nazi Germany. > > > > The parallels continue... The "new media must be controlled" of > > that era was radio and television -- now it's the internet. Same > > basic debates going on -- most of the same outcomes happening. > > > > I am scared. > > > > Bear > > Maybe these things exist as undercurrents in all societies and occasionally they swirl a bit, setting loose a bit of swamp gas. Sometimes the whole pond turns over bringing all sorts of stinking muck to the surface. Maybe it's disturbing to recognize these undercurrents in the smiling, happy place you call home but they've been there all along. Mike

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