July 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

more biochemwomdterror in DC
by Declan McCullagh 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

(a double-header!) HOUSE GOVERNMENT REFORM COMMITTEE Biological Weapons National Security, Veterans Affairs and International Relations Subcommittee oversight hearing to focus on federal and state responses to a biological weapons attack within the United States. Witnesses: Frank Keating, governor, OK; Sam Nunn, chairman/CEO, Nuclear Threat Initiative; John Hamre, president/CEO, Center for Strategic and International Studies; Margaret Hamburg, vice president, Biological Programs for the Nuclear Threat Initiative; Jerome Hauer, managing director, Kroll Associates; Major General William Cugno, adjutant general, CT; Major General Ronald Harrison, adjutant general, FL; James Hughes, director, National Center for Infectious Diseases, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; Patricia Quinlisk, medical director/state epidemiologist, Iowa Department of Public Health, former president counsel, State and Territorial Epidemiologists; Jeffrey Duchin, chief, Communicable Disease Control, Epidemiology and Immunization Section, Public Health, Seattle and King County, WA Location: 2154 Rayburn House Office Building. 2:30 p.m. Contact: 202-225-5074 http://www.house.gov/reform

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Re: NetCurrents: Echelon for the Private Sector
by billstewart＠pobox.com 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

However, unlike Echelon, they're probably monitoring only conversations in public spaces, like an extended higher-priced version of Google/DejaNews. There's nothing there you wouldn't be able to find on Blacknet :-) John Doe > On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 05:15:53PM -0400, Faustine wrote: > > Did you know that NetCurrents, which bills itself as "the Internet's > > Premiere Intelligence Agency", conducts real-time monitoring of message > > boards, chatrooms, and IRC channels, logging and producing reports on all > > occurences of particluar keywords for their clients? > > > > Echelon for the private sector, pure and simple. On 07/22/2001 - 17:52, Declan McCullagh wrote: > And what we would expect the market to do. > If you don't like it, use a nym. X-Authenticated-User: idiom ~~~ Thanks; Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com>

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Re: Killing the G8 Anarchists
by David Honig 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

At 05:27 PM 7/21/01 +0300, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > >Not all of us. In fact, if you look at the statistics, e.g. we Finnish >people are actually quite *well* armed. Just not with handguns, but hunting >rifles. I've read that the Finnish Surgeon General (equiv.) *recommends* the use of silencers; and the use is common for keeping peace with neighbors too. You can't imagine how amusing/twisted that is in the US, where silencers are linked with al capone, etc.

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Re: Meatspace,
by Faustine 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

Jim wrote: >> > I find it much more plausible that commies did bad things, things >> > characteristic of commies, because they were bad people. > > Faustine >> True: but then there's always the gray area of exactly what's done in >> the name of "what bad people deserve" that keeps me uneasy about the >> whole thing. Have you read Gordon Thomas' book about the Mossad, >> "Gideon's Spies"? He was allowed to interview all the top agency >> people, so you can be sure nothing got out the agency didn't want >> out. Even still, it's a fascinating, hard-hitting look at what >> happens when an organization of brilliant, ruthless people come to >> exist in a system with limited accountability: hardcore realpolitik >> at its most elemental. > > We know the spooks do bad things. They have done bad things to people > who post on this list. We also know commies do bad things. > > The argument I object to is that all the bad behavior, the > authoritarianism, the crimes, the repression, that we saw from the new > left during the seventies is somehow the fault of the spooks, and > somehow not the fault of the people who were doing it. Point well taken. But the same could be said of the "crimes and bad behavior" at Waco and Ruby Ridge; it might have been their fault, but they sure as hell didn't deserve what ultimately happened to them any more than the commies did. I'm not out to defend any ideology, only the idea of government agents' accountability to the rule of law. ~Faustine.

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Re: What the Swiss have
by George＠Orwellian.Org 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

Sandman wrote: # # The part I like is that the wording suggests that the writer # is surprises that a population can have a lot of guns and "yet # maintains a remarkably low homicide and armed crime rate." Duh. A different society. It wouldn't work here. ---- If you have a dent on your car, your Swiss neighbors will turn you in to the police. Seriously.

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ADSL... Super Hizli... Super Ucuz... Muthis Internet...
by ADSLTURK 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

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ADSL... Super Hizli... Super Ucuz... Muthis Internet...
by ADSLTURK 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

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ADSL... Super Hizli... Super Ucuz... Muthis Internet...
by ADSLTURK 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

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kuro5hin.org || Jury Nullification: You Have the Power
by Jim Choate 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

http://www.Kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/20/41642/3078 -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: DMCA has pushed me to my limit.
by Tim May 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

At 12:55 AM +0300 7/18/01, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Black Unicorn wrote: > >>When a foreign national can be arrested for a bit of coding which was >>developed (I assume) outside the US and never, by his actions (I assume) >>hit US soil well it really is time for the DMCA to go. > >On a more general level, is US law to be construed as granting personal >jurisdiction over anyone on the US soil, regardless of where the actual >crime was committed? I.e., if I do something wrong according to the Code, >I'd better stay the hell out of US? Yes, just as an American who commits some crime under German law, while in the U.S., had better avoid travelling to Germany...or even to Denmark. (Case a few years ago of the American arrested in Copenhagen and extradited to Germany because he had published in America material deemed a thoughtcrime in Germany.) --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay(a)got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns

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