July 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Crypto Quotations (fwd)
by Jim Choate 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:44:46 -0500 From: Udhay Shankar N <udhay(a)pobox.com> To: cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com Subject: Crypto Quotations Some light(?) reading... http://www.amk.ca/quotations/cryptography/page-1.html Udhay _____________________________________________________________________ Udhay Shankar N Iponics India Pvt Ltd http://www.iponics.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Misc
by Trei, Peter 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

> From: George@Orwellian.Org[SMTP:George@Orwellian.Org] [...] > Found a lot of weird stuff while searching. > [...] > The Unix Haters Handbook > http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/login.html > [...] > I've got a copy of the book - it's actually a fairly well-written critique of Un*x worship (pre-Linux). It's worth reading to get some perspective (and no, it's not pro-MS either - it's idea of a competing OS is VMS). Peter Trei

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RE: Banned Research and Raids on "Secret Labs"
by Trei, Peter 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

> From: Sampo Syreeni[SMTP:decoy@iki.fi] > > > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Tim May wrote: > > >Despite warnings from scientists who say such practices are fraught with > >potential health risks, some Raelians have built a secret U.S. laboratory > >and vowed to create the first human clone this year. > > It would be fairly interesting to hear what those health risks are. If > they > refer to risks to the people doing the experiments, I can't see any beyond > what normal parenting would bring. If they instead refer to the babies > being > born/built, then we're seeing one serious extension of the concept of > "unborn babies". The GE scare has religious morality, ignorance and fear > of > the unknown written all over it. > Cloning is far from a perfected technology - dozens of embryos are started for each one that comes to term, and many that are born have severe defects and die young. A lot that don't die young are pretty darn unhealthy in various ways. The State has problems (heck - I have problems too!) with applying this technology at a point in development where *most* of the resulting people are likely to have severe physical and mental defects. Unlike animals, you can't just slaughter the ones that don't work out. OTOH, the fact the State chose to stop a religious organization brings chilling memories of Waco - "Is your religion FDA approved?". A lot of the rhetoric seems to be on the level of 'this is just soooo creepy'. It's worth remembering that the boundary of what's acceptable moves - back in the 60's Britain banned cornea transplants from cadavers, essentially for creepyness reasons (since repealed). When cloning has a high success rate, and embryos which are going to have problems after birth can be identified and culled at an early stage, then I have no problem with human cloning. Until then, I'd rather people did not try it (though, unlike the State, I would not stop them). Peter Trei

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Internationale ..... a song from my childhood ... I am a Communist ...
by Markku Saarelainen 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/html_pages/internatsional.html http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/html_pages/images/internatsional.jpg Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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NEWS - Cause & Effect?
by Jim Choate 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

I've always said most people have no real understanding of 'cause and effect'... http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20010602091304data_trunc_sys.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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OPT: Linux Today - NYTimes: The Land of Monopolies
by Jim Choate 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-07-01-011-21-OP-MS -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Quantum Mechanics' New Horizons
by Jim Choate 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,44891,00.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Banned Research and Raids on "Secret Labs"
by Morlock Elloi 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

>this, but at least the point is arguable. The issue of whether human >cloning research is so intrinsically sensitive or dangerous that it >requires preemptive raids and fishing expeditions is a topic worth >discussing. For now, I'm pointing out some of the disturbing >constitutional issues. Cloning taboo, as all other taboos exist because of the influence they may have on the powers that be. Individual identity is a basis for so-called "legal system" and law enforcement in general. While corporations and governments (as in "powers that be") are allowed group/communal identities, mere citizen-units are not. I think that there is a generic fear that powerful individuals (cloning is off-limits to wage slaves) would somehow become more powerful if they can copy themselves. Also, lot of the System is based on the strict reproduction control, individuals coming out in unapproved manner would mess that up. Can you imagine Tim May *brought up* by Tim May ? Horrible. But I don't think that it can be stopped. There is a strong incentive for corporations to breed obedient workers and for the state to breed servile citizens. That is much more economical and less risky than having to brainwash each and every new generation. Soon you'll see middle-aged bald and impotent managers asking the meekest and lowest paid 10-hr/day workers if they will donate some stem cells for a day off. Same thing will happen in the voting booths. Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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I am organizing the march in Miami ...
by Markku Saarelainen 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

I am in the process of organizing THE MARCH in Miami during which we all sing the Internationale. I do it quite publicly here in Miami. A little similar to those marches on the 1st of May in many nations. This is the new Communist movement in Miami and I am leading it for success. http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/voices/realaudio/international.ra The proud owner of the Soviet flag .... Markku J. Saarelainen -- Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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RE: World's smallest engine
by Eugene Leitl 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: > I wonder what the limiting factor would be? I suspect that the > cube/squared law is involved - as the parts get smaller they cool down > too quickly to operate as an engine. My bets are the Sandia folks will be there first, with their (whether SOS or plain silicon) MEMS microturbine generator. I think they mentioned they hoped to scale power density beyond 30 W in a cm^3 volume. Otoh, such technology is prime candidate for powering military hardware in the field, so maybe perhaps that's why they suddenly went mum on it. -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3

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