July 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

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01 Jul '01

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Aluminum underwear, pants, suitcases illegal in CO stores
by George＠Orwellian.Org 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

That article on Florida cameras was horrifying. ---- Aluminized Pants, 15 ounce Rayon, Kevlar. Thread, Large, 32 inch Inseam Length: http://www.grainger.com/images/products/5t323.jpg http://www.grainger.com/images/products/5t338.jpg http://www.grainger.com/images/products/1e006.jpg You can pull up the main URL and type the '5t323' number in the search box for the full page. ---- http://www.gazette.com/archive/01-06-27/daily/top4.html # # Would-be shoplifters foiled # # Sporting aluminum underwear illegal under new law # By Bill McKeown/The Gazette # # If you're thinking about going to the mall in that snappy # aluminum-lined underwear in the back of your dresser drawer, # think again. # # Beginning Sunday, it will be illegal in Colorado to wear aluminum # underwear. # # OK, there's a caveat. You can wear aluminum briefs and lingerie # as long as it's for personal amusement - but not if it is to # help steal by foiling stores' anti-shoplifting devices. # # The new law, surely the oddest of the dozens coming out of this # season's legislative session, is no laughing matter ... really. # # "This is serious business," said Sen. Stephanie Takis, D-Aurora, # one of the bill's sponsors. "We have laws against using crowbars # as theft devices, but if you were lining your underwear with # aluminum foil, that was not a crime." # # And by golly, said Takis, it should be. She cited several # Denver-area malls that have caught shoplifters with aluminum-lined # shopping bags and even the so-called "iron pants" and could do # nothing to stop it. # # Steve Miller, an attorney with the Legislative Council, helped # draft the bill: "I don't know if it was the highlight of my # career, but I got the assignment." # # Miller said the bill went through several evolutions - "or # devolutions depending on your viewpoint" - before it received # Gov. Bill Owens' approval. # # Essentially, it makes it a misdemeanor to make, wear or know # others are wearing aluminum underwear if they intend to use it # to fool stores' theft-protection devices. Those devices # electronically sense when merchandise leaving the store hasn't # been handled by a cashier, and foil can interfere with that # detection. # # Miller said the new law also gives store employees civil and # criminal immunity if they stop shoppers who crackle when they # walk. ---- > Beginning Sunday, shoplifting should become a much riskier business in Colorado. > "Don't walk into a store with the idea you can shield and steal," says JoAnn Groff, > president of the Colorado Retail Council and an enthusiastic supporter of a new law to > crack down on shoplifters. > > Under House Bill 1221, anyone walking into a store with a bag or coat lined with aluminum > foil -- or any other device aimed at eluding anti-shoplifting devices -- can be charged > with a Class 1 misdemeanor carrying carries a penalty of up to 24 months in jail and a > $5,000 fine. > > "It gives us another very important tool in prosecuting shoplifters," Groff explained. > "With this law in effect, we don't have to wait until they take something out of a store." >... > But the law that Groff fought for during the past legislative session is one geared to > make life more difficult for shoplifters. > > Groff won't outline the devices used to trick anti-theft detectors at store doors...

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by f775175616＠hotmail.com 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

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Slashdot | Eco-Terrorism
by Jim Choate 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

http://slashdot.org/science/01/07/01/1634213.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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We shall fight .............
by Markku Saarelainen 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

I am in the U.S.A. I have been here since 1989 ... I believe in the Communist Revolution. I am in Miami and in the process of recruiting more members to my Communist Party unit here. I do it very openly .. I am not afraid of death. We must fight ... AND FIGHT NOW ... let's be Satans and we must FIGHT NOW ! http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/voices/realaudio/international.ra http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/voices/realaudio/sovietnationalanth… I have told my story on the USENET bulletin board: alt.politics.org.cia --- read my messages .. I am the main contributor. Please, email my message to all Communist Party representatives around the globe .... WE SHALL FIGHT ... WE SHALL FIGHT TO THE VERY LAST MOMENT OF OUR SOULS, HEARTS AND MINDS ... ! Markku J. Saarelainen Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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Re: Zero Knowledge Identity Proofs (fwd)
by Jim Choate 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:00:26 -0700 From: Marc Branchaud <marcnarc(a)rsasecurity.com> To: cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com Subject: Re: Zero Knowledge Identity Proofs Well, I can't be sure that I'm not misunderstanding something either. For the most part, I agree with Dimitrios that challenges with proof of origin are part of the solution to Mafia Fraud attacks. My main point is that I don't think simply signing the challenge is enough. Let me try to restate things symbolically. Nominally, in the naive case, Dave would present Alice with a challenge, X, and Alice would transform & return the challenge: X'. This, as we know, is vulnerable to the Mafia Fraud. What I believe Dimitrios is proposing is for Dave to present both the challenge and a signature on the challenge: {X, S_dave(X)}. Then, Alice would verify that the signature corresponds to the person she thinks she's talking to, and if so she can return the transformed challenge X'. I'm essentially contending that Dave needs to verify that Alice did indeed see the challenge & signature he presented. Consider Mafia Fraud against the above scenario. Dave presents {X, S_dave(X)} to Carol, who forwards it to Bob. Now, Bob can re-sign the challenge himself, and present {X, S_bob(X)} to Alice. Alice will happily verify that the challenge comes from Bob, and return X' to Bob, who then passes it to Carol & then on to Dave. The fraud is successful, because Dave can't tell that Alice saw Bob's signature on the challenge and not his own. So the X' that Alice computes must be a function f(X, S_dave(X)) on both the challenge and the signature. (If, in the naive case, X'=S_alice(X), then to truly prevent the fraud we need X'=S_alice(X,S_dave(X)).) Now the fraud fails because Alice would compute X'=f(X, S_bob(X)), and so Dave (not Alice) would detect the fraud. So it's not enough for Dave to simply sign the challenge & for Alice to verify that signature. Alice must prove to Dave that she saw his signature and not somebody else's. BTW, without giving it any thought, I believe this scheme is safe against replay attacks (because Dave generates a new challenge every time). Does anybody have any thoughts about that? Marc --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Filtering 'spammers', one line comments, and Tim May
by Jim Choate 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

You reap what you sow. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Key length and stopping time
by Jim Choate 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

Q: If it becomes possible, as some recent physics research indicates, that in some situations time can be stopped or eliminated what would the implication be with regard to estimating the time to resolve key lengths be? In other words if it becomes possible to have dynamic physical systems which operate at least in some sort of phase space with no time axis what does 'life of the universe' really mean? -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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by Daniel Morin 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

Yes I am an agent of Satan....but my duties are largely ceremonial....

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Prying Eyes
by A. Melon 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

Looks like we need to build some small radio-controlled blimps with paint spray guns to blind these suckers.

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