November 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Where The Torture Never Stops...
by An Metet 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

Steve squeaks: > > Besides, "Prison is not punishment to the literate." > > What could be more obvious? Isn't it obvious by now that this is just some trolling faggot LEO? Just like the other one with the long drivel about how jail was okay for the "suspects"? Sounded like Jeff Gorden after a few beers.

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RE: Distributed code (fwd)
by Jim Choate 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:51:46 -0800 From: Bill Frantz <frantz(a)pwpconsult.com> To: coderpunks(a)toad.com Subject: RE: Distributed code At 8:14 PM -0800 11/4/01, Tim Ebringer wrote: >You might want to check out Erlang http://www.erlang.org - a programming >language designed to be all about communications and concurrency. >Programs in this language need not even be aware that they're >distributed. It's a functional language, though, so you might be up for >a steep learning curve if you've never used a declarative language >(Miranda, Haskell, Mercury, Prolog, Lisp...) You might also want to check out the E language <http://www.erights.org/>. It offers distributed computation, encrypted communications, public key based identity, optimistic computation, and event loop concurency. Cheers - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The principal effect of| Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | DMCA/SDMI is to prevent| 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)pwpconsult.com | fair use. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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classified
by cpaul 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

below is perhaps related to... http://www.google.com/search?q=prescott+bush+nazi * * * Bush restricts presidential records Executive order stuns advocates of open government ASSOCIATED PRESS WASHINGTON, Nov. 1 - President Bush issued an order Thursday night that lets past presidents, beginning with Ronald Reagan, keep some of their White House papers private even after the 12-year wait now required by law. Advocates for government declassification expressed disbelief and said the order would usher in a new era of government secrecy. ABOUT 68,000 pages of Reagan's White House records, including the vice presidential papers from President Bush's father, were supposed to have been opened in January, 12 years after Reagan left office, as provided by law. But the White House delayed the release three times to review constitutional and legal questions. White House counsel Alberto Gonzales defended Bush's executive order Thursday and did not say when or whether the Reagan papers would be opened to the public. Vanderbilt University historian Hugh Graham said the draft was a "real monster" and complained, "They would reverse an act of Congress with an executive order." Bruce Craig, director of the National Coordinating Committee for the Promotion of History, said it was "blatantly unlawful top to bottom." He predicted a quick legal challenge. The issue likely will come up Tuesday at a House Government Reform subcommittee hearing, initially scheduled before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Reagan's records were to have been the first released under the 1978 Presidential Records Act, which followed Watergate and former President Richard Nixon's attempts to hold on to his papers and tape recordings. It made presidential records the property of government, not ex-presidents. KEY ISSUE: EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE Under the act, presidential records are to be released after 12 years, except for those withheld for national security or certain personal reasons specified by law. A former president can still claim executive privilege to prevent the release of certain documents, but the sitting president has the final say. Under Bush's executive order, the sitting president could not override a former president's claim of executive privilege. Those claims of executive privilege, however, could be appealed in court, Gonzales said. "It will not be driven by politics or what looks good. It will be driven by what is allowed under the Constitution," Gonzales said. "Look, we haven't withheld a single document yet. There's been a delay, no question about it, but there has been no decision not to release a document. Let's see how this process works." FEAR OF EMBARRASSMENT Some historians said they suspected that the Bush White House was worried about what the Reagan papers might reveal about officials now working for Bush who also worked for Reagan. Among them are Secretary of State Colin Powell, budget director Mitch Daniels and Chief of Staff Andrew Card. Gonzales said that was not the reason. "There may, in fact, be embarrassing documents," he said, but he added that that would not be considered a legitimate reason to withhold something. Some historians suggested that the White House was using heightened public interest in national security as a screen to clamp down on the release of presidential papers. Craig said the Bush White House might be worried that the war on terrorism could generate documents it would rather not see exposed down the road. "Everybody is in agreement that materials that can be used by terrorists to threaten national security should be closed up," Craig said. "There already are existing laws and exemptions that keep that kind of stuff closed up. "This is about confidential information - communication between a president and top people - that they would simply prefer not to be released to the public."

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by vmodu＠yahoo.com 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

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CNN.com - Justice Department can't confirm how many detainees released - November 5, 2001
by Jim Choate 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

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Re: Singing The War Prayer
by An Metet 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

This guy is just some faggot fed troll -- probably Jeff Gordon in drag.

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by Lawyer 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

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by callsonly＠yahoo.com 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

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First Polygraphs and Then Torture?
by Matthew Gaylor 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

Note from Matthew Gaylor: Today I read two more disturbing stories of America's slip into police statism. The first is about a Illinois public school Nazi using a polygraph to ferret out the off school grounds activities of his students. See: <http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-football-polygrap hs1105nov05.story> . Dunlap, IL High School Superintendent Bill Collier said it was the right thing to do to sort the guilty from the innocent: "It may look bad, it may sound bad, but it's the fairest way." -- One by one, the subjects were led into a room and hooked up to a polygraph machine. The purpose: to determine whether the teen-agers violated Dunlap High School's code of conduct by attending a party where alcohol was consumed." And I worry what might be the next step in America if polygraphs don't achieve the desired results. The New York Times reports <http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/05/business/media/05TORT.html> this chilling thought "In many quarters, the Newsweek columnist Jonathan Alter is considered a liberal. Yet there he was last week, raising this question: "In this autumn of anger," he wrote, "even a liberal can find his thoughts turning to . . . torture." He added that he was not necessarily advocating the use of "cattle prods or rubber hoses" on men detained in the investigation into the terrorist attacks. Only, "something to jump-start the stalled investigation of the greatest crime in American history." And the NYT continues: "One week earlier, on CNN's "Crossfire," the conservative commentator Tucker Carlson said: "Torture is bad." But he added: "Keep in mind, some things are worse. And under certain circumstances, it may be the lesser of two evils. Because some evils are pretty evil."". Now obviously giving children polygraphs and torturing terrorist suspects are very different, but what happens when the kids "crimes" are considered so heinous that stiffer measures are required? Considering the US government, public schools and other public institution's insane obsession with the war on drugs it is in my mind a hop, skip and a jump for them to come to the conclusion that torture, (like getting a teen drug pusher to revel his supplier) an acceptable technique. Perhaps it's important to dust off your copy of The Bill of Rights and re-read the 5th amendment which explicitly states that: "No person shall be nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..." See: <http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/billrights/billrights.html> I for one swore to uphold the US Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic and anyone who tortures suspects is someone I'd consider a traitor and enemy. Regards, Matt- ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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Verba Volant del 06-11-01
by verba＠rol.it 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

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