November 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

[CNN] FBI: Threat against Western bridges 'not credible'
by A. Melon 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The information that prompted a warning that terrorists might target a major Western bridge has been determined to be "not credible," two federal law enforcement officials tell CNN, and the FBI Tuesday is preparing to say no threat exists. "There just wasn't anything to it," said one official. A second official agreed, and says local law enforcement agencies are about to be notified of that conclusion. [...] >From http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/11/06/inv.bridge.threat/index.html Snort. What are the chances that the National Guard remains on patrol at the bridges "in the interest of safety"?

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[TSCM-L] *BOOM!*
by Aimee Farr 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

All the civil lib talk regarding sneak and peek is radicalizing fringe groups and sensitizing them to countermeasures. Conversations of checks...vid -- and I strongly suspect booby trap talk. (I have a research interest in groups under surveillance/impression of surveillance.) The only booby trap I recognize is a "water bra." I hope guys doing surreptitious entry under increased surveillance powers are afforded better recognition training. No doubt some of you are important resources as to these matters, and I hope that your expertise is being sought. Below is a good case clip on vid. I disagree with the court's opinion in this instance, but I can't disagree with the risks in covert entry: @ http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=ma&vol=sjcslip/8429&i nvol=1 "...Followed to its logical conclusion, the dissent would encourage drug manufacturers to mount hidden video cameras in their facilities so they can capture the moment of truth when the police execute a search warrant and would authorize drug dealers secretly to tape record conversations with suspected undercover officers or with informants in order to protect the dealers' rights against hypothetical police abuse. Numerous other examples exist. The point is an obvious one. Every police encounter would be available for secret recording..." ----- This judge is seriously behind the times. (Pardon the civie-female-hand-wringing. Just worries me.) ~Aimee ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Dave Emery N1PRE, die(a)die.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2 5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18

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[TSCM-L] *BOOM!*
by Aimee Farr 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

All the civil lib talk regarding sneak and peek is radicalizing fringe groups and sensitizing them to countermeasures. Conversations of checks...vid -- and I strongly suspect booby trap talk. (I have a research interest in groups under surveillance/impression of surveillance.) The only booby trap I recognize is a "water bra." I hope guys doing surreptitious entry under increased surveillance powers are afforded better recognition training. No doubt some of you are important resources as to these matters, and I hope that your expertise is being sought. Below is a good case clip on vid. I disagree with the court's opinion in this instance, but I can't disagree with the risks in covert entry: @ http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=ma&vol=sjcslip/8429&i nvol=1 "...Followed to its logical conclusion, the dissent would encourage drug manufacturers to mount hidden video cameras in their facilities so they can capture the moment of truth when the police execute a search warrant and would authorize drug dealers secretly to tape record conversations with suspected undercover officers or with informants in order to protect the dealers' rights against hypothetical police abuse. Numerous other examples exist. The point is an obvious one. Every police encounter would be available for secret recording..." ----- This judge is seriously behind the times. (Pardon the civie-female-hand-wringing. Just worries me.) ~Aimee ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Dave Emery N1PRE, die(a)die.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2 5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18

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Re: FC: FAA.gov ran open mail relay, could let people forge FAA email
by Troy Davis 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

Seems to still relay: 10:15pm troy@mindfuck ~ > telnet 204.108.10.130 25 Trying 204.108.10.130... Connected to 204.108.10.130. Escape character is '^]'. 220-atos.faa.gov Microsoft SMTP MAIL ready at Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:59:42 -0500 Version: 5.5.1877.197.19 220 ESMTP spoken here helo narf 250 atos.faa.gov Hello [216.39.147.166] mail from: root(a)oz.net 250 root@oz.net....Sender OK rcpt to: joe(a)aol.com 250 joe(a)aol.com data 354 Start mail input; end with <CRLF>.<CRLF> narf ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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An Metet
by Incognito Innominatus 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

dude, you are a Class A asshole. first you accuse someone of being a faggot. thats real nice, and endearing to the collective 'libertarian' standpoint. does his manliness offend you? knowing that he has enough for the both of you sorta makes things bad for you, i know. so buck up, little camper. some day you will even get 'pubes', and the guys in the shower wont laugh at you anymore. oh, then you accuse someone of being LEO. no he isnt. even if he was, he certainly would not last long with this attitude. because he wouldnt take any shit from mealy mouth sumbitches like yourself and his itchy trigger finger would just be shit hot to TCOB, know what i mean? if you had the choice to remove him from the planet... would ya do it? sure... we all know you would. with that in mind... lets get back to the pertinent subject matter, and not be hypocritical about what we think liberty is, ok? gatton

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Welcome To Fantasy Mail! Your Attention Is Requested
by Fantasy Mail 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

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06 Nov '01

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06 Nov '01

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Re: More Creeping Public School Fascism
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

Eric Cordian <emc(a)artifact.psychedelic.net> > >Here's the latest outrage from our country's government-run schools. Not >only do school officials presume to stick their noses into what kids do on >their own free time, away from school, but they think they can use lie >detectors to pry into kids' private lives. > >Notice the collusion between the pigs and the school administrators. >Pigs make lists of people, none of whom have been charged with any crime, >and turn them over to school administrators, who have the power to take >action with no requirement of fairness or due process. > They can only do what the parents allow them to do. I would have told the school to go fuck itself silly before I'd let them interrogate my kid. As far as I'm concerned off school time and grounds they have no say whatsoever. >Note that nothing can be done about this unless a parent files a >complaint. Kids don't have any rights in this country, except through >parental proxy, and apparently all the parents in this town have the >school superintendent's balls slapping against their chins. > >Schools got away with "Zero Tolerance" using a small number of school >shootings as a pretense. Now we'll see what they can get away with using >their increased FUD powers under the War on Terrorism(tm). > >These administrators need to be gutted and their heads posted in public >view as a warning to others. > Read about Vlad Tsepesh. In a private conversation with a recalcitrant administrator it's what I would suggest as reading material to be absorbed prior to decision-making... >----- > >DUNLAP, Ill. -- One by one, the subjects were led into a room and hooked >up to a polygraph machine. > >The purpose: to determine whether the teen-agers violated Dunlap High >School's code of conduct by attending a party where alcohol was consumed. > >Seven of the 10 students who submitted to the lie detector exams -- all of >them football players -- flunked the questioning last month and were >barred from competing in the first round of the state playoffs. Some of >their parents wept when they learned their children had lied to them. > >Dunlap High went to extraordinary lengths to get to the bottom of what was >otherwise a routine case of teen-agers getting into trouble. School >Superintendent Bill Collier said it was the right thing to do to sort the >guilty from the innocent: "It may look bad, it may sound bad, but it's the >fairest way." > >The investigation began after police broke up a party Oct. 6. Nobody was >arrested, but officers took down the names of everyone present and traced >the registration of all cars parked there. Their list of 15 athletes was >turned over to school officials. > >Three students admitted guilt when confronted. But many others claimed >that they had left the party as soon as they realized alcohol was present. >So school officials proposed the polygraphs. > >Two students were suspended from the team after refusing to take the test, >and seven more were suspended after flunking. Collier pointed out that >three students were cleared who might otherwise have been punished. > >"For these three kids, this worked exactly the way it is supposed to >work," he said. > >Dunlap High went on to lose the Oct. 27 playoff game 28-7. Mike Griffith, >a policy analyst for the Education Commission of the States in Denver, >said he has never heard of a school using polygraphs in such a way, and he >called it an extreme measure. > >"But in the end," he said, "if the parents don't file a complaint and the >school district is satisfied, it's a done deal." > >Matt Jones, an attorney who represented the students who took the >polygraphs and their parents, said a lawsuit is unlikely, but parents may >try to pressure the school board into changing its policy regarding >parties. The students' names were not released by the school or Jones. > >Jones said the suspended players -- most of them starters -- had greater >concerns than the outcome of the game. "Part of the disappointment is the >public scrutiny and having their parents disappointed in them," the lawyer >said. "With most of them, it's not about their participation but because >they let down their team." > >Some in this central Illinois town of about 1,000 people 12 miles north >Peoria have been openly critical of school officials. "You would think >they have better things to do," said Mark Wade, a 1979 Dunlap High >graduate. Wade said the drinking policy existed when he was in high >school, and athletes and others were sometimes questioned about their >weekend activities. He said students sometimes lied, and their answers >were accepted; nobody gave them a polygraph. "That wouldn't have washed. >The parents wouldn't have stood for it," he said. > >Collier and Jones said that before each polygraph session, held at the >school board's offices, the students and their parents were taken aside. >The students were asked to describe their actions that night. Before the >examinations began, the parents were asked to leave to eliminate >distractions. > >Afterward, the polygraph examiner went over results with the students and >their parents. Collier described the scene as sad, with some parents >shedding tears as they realized their children had lied to them and the >school. > >The superintendent said getting the truth was more important than a >football playoff game. > >"I do know kids and adults can't continue to tell lies," he said. "Parents >need to do more communicating with their kids on real-life issues and find >out what they're doing on weekends." > I actually teach my kids to lie. Whenever some form pops up on their browser they get pretty creative. The other day I overheard them making up stuff to enter : male, 36, from Austin, Texas. Not bad for such little sprouts. When ( not if ) my kids get in trouble over some 1st issue, they will be protected unconditionally and without reserve as to methods. >-- >Eric Michael Cordian 0+ >O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division >"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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"So this freedom is useless"
by Khoder bin Hakkin 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

>From the "they don't get it" department: Brig. Gen. Khieu Sopheak said that although Cambodia's 1993 constitution protects the right to freedom of expression, "this kind of freedom of expression runs counter to the tendency of the international community and the interests of our country. So this freedom is, we can say, useless." What's he repealing his nation's freedom of speech about? T-shirts. http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAZ32FWPTC.html Clearly this cambodian twit needs to be harvested by cambodians.

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