November 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: failure notice
by Tim May 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

Resend effort. On Friday, November 30, 2001, at 10:13 AM, MAILER-DAEMON(a)got.net wrote: > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at got.net. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following > addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > <cypherpunks(a)lne.com>: > 209.245.148.2 does not like recipient. > Remote host said: 550 <cypherpunks(a)lne.com>... User unknown > Giving up on 209.245.148.2. > > --- Below this line is a copy of the message. > > Return-Path: <tcmay(a)got.net> > Received: (qmail 30319 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 18:13:03 -0000 > Received: from 66-81-40-74-modem.o1.com (HELO localhost) (66.81.40.74) > by always.got.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 18:13:03 -0000 > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:12:42 -0800 > Subject: Re: Rumors of the death of Cypherpunks are greatly exaggerated > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011130080433.007d24a0(a)pop.sprynet.com> > Message-Id: <D897733A-E5BD-11D5-9093-0050E439C473(a)got.net> > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) > > > On Friday, November 30, 2001, at 08:04 AM, David Honig wrote: > >> At 10:38 PM 11/29/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, David Honig wrote: >>> >>>> Um, Jim, despite the slump, there still plenty of free lowbrow sites >>>> for >>>> Joe Random to start a mailing list for anything, so Tim's financial >>>> status is irrelevent. >>> >>> But Joe Random isn't a Cypherpunks Leader... >> >> Neither is Tim. He's an author. Not every one with an >> opinion has the disorder that makes them crave the role of leader. >> >> In addition to the intrinsic irony of 'cp leader' ---a concept >> favored by the legal types who think in terms of the subservient >> hierarchies that they live in, but largely their *projection*. >> >> Dogs can't conceive of a group of cats without an alpha cat. > > That's a good one. I've added it to my rotating .sig collection. > > As for Choate's natterings, not worth commenting on. > > > > > --Tim May > "Dogs can't conceive of a group of cats without an alpha cat." --David > Honig, on the Cypherpunks list, 2001-11 > > --Tim May "How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive?" --Alexander Solzhenitzyn, Gulag Archipelago

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Portland police refuses to ask FBI's illegal questions
by Khoder bin Hakkin 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

We hereby call for publication of the list of (possibly illegal) questions that the FBI wants local cops to ask the swarthies... http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-113001port.story Now Portland Comes In for Questioning Probe: Oregon city and its police chief catch flak for refusing to interview foreigners on a U.S. list. By LYNN MARSHALL and TOM GORMAN , Times Staff Writers PORTLAND, Ore. -- Even after a 32-year career with the Los Angeles Police Department and two years here, Police Chief Mark Kroeker says he has never experienced the pummeling he is taking these days. Law enforcement officers in the rest of the nation are questioning foreigners about their possible knowledge of terrorist activities. But Kroeker, worried about civil rights violations, has said his officers will not join in this task. His is the only police agency in the country to refuse to cooperate for such reasons, according to a spokesman for the U.S. Justice Department. Because of that decision, based on advice from Portland's city attorney, Kroeker is winning plaudits from civil libertarians. But he is catching flak from all over the country. By Thursday, City Hall computers contained more than 1,000 e-mails. Half came from outside Oregon and were, one staffer said, universally critical of the city's position. From within Oregon, 60% of the electronic mail chastises the city for refusing to aid the investigation. "I am appalled and embarrassed to be an Oregonian," wrote one local man. "You . . . have completely lost perspective and what appears to be any remnant of common sense." And another: "We are disgusted and saddened. . . . We consider the city of Portland and the state of Oregon to be a haven for terrorists. We will discontinue traveling there as a company." The director of the Citizens Crime Commission said he worries that the city attorney's ruling besmirches the city. "Now it's a national story: Portland isn't cooperating," said Ray Mathis. "It makes the city look bad." Criticism also is coming from within the ranks of the Police Bureau. "We're embarrassed by the city's decision," said Leo Painton, an officer with the Portland Police Assn. "We're in a state of war, and we want to go out and do our part, to help solve the 4,000 murders they're investigating." Chief Kroeker is reeling from the broadsides. "I'm surprised by the reaction . . . and, to some extent, I feel I've been vilified," he said Thursday. "I've never experienced anything like this. "I must say, it has been discouraging to hear the level of uninformed criticism and the lack of knowledge of all the work that we have done and are continuing to do to investigate terrorism," he said. The uproar stems from a request earlier this month by U.S. Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft that law enforcement agencies help an overwhelmed FBI to interview about 5,000 men of Middle Eastern descent who have entered the country in the last two years. The men can decline to be interviewed. The Justice Department identified 23 residents for questioning in Portland, a city of 503,000. The Oregon state attorney general and the local district attorney said they had no problem with Ashcroft's request. Corvallis, south of Portland, also is not going to interview 30 Middle Eastern men identified by the Justice Department. Police Chief Pam Roskowski said she had no legal objections to the questioning, but that her college town of 50,000 would be better served if police focused on active criminal investigations. Portland City Atty. Jeffrey Rogers had issued an opinion that, based on his reading of Oregon law, some of the questions were illegally intrusive if asked of people who were not criminal suspects. Some questions deal with the subject's sources of income, education and foreign travel; others focus more specifically on the person's knowledge of terrorism and weapons. Kroeker said he has no objection to questioning foreign men, with their consent, "as a fact-gathering mechanism, a search for clues. This is a perfectly legitimate investigative technique." But because a few of the questions "abut the law," Kroeker said his officers won't ask any of them. The FBI said other agencies will interview the Portland men. Portland Mayor Vera Katz stands firmly behind the city attorney and police chief. "I support the president," she said Thursday, "but for the citizens of this city to say that this [refusal] is a treasonable act--that it's OK to break the law--raises tremendous concerns." The city's decision is "a courageous call--and the right call," said David Fidanque, executive director of the ACLU of Oregon. "It's good to know there is a police agency in Oregon that is serious about not only investigating terrorist activity, but also is serious about protecting the rights of innocent people who may be swept up in this very broad investigation." Reaction on the street was decidedly mixed Thursday. "My father is from Saudi Arabia and all my family is living in New York," said hairdresser Karina El Hindi, 27. "I want these [terrorists] caught, but I don't think a sweep of people who look like me or my dad will have any effect." Portland's refusal to participate, she added, "says that all people are welcomed and treated fairly here." John Peters, a 23-year-old graduate student, agreed. "I want to be safe from terrorists," he said while strolling through downtown's Pioneer Place shopping center, "but if we start questioning people based on race or national origin, where does it stop, and what's left of the system once this is all over?" Others figured that now is when laws can be bent. "The questions are probably offensive, but if they save even one life or send a signal that America is more vigilant now, I think that's much more important than a legal technicality," said Judy Rader, 38, an executive assistant at a downtown business. Kroeker left the LAPD as its deputy chief in 1997. Popular among the rank-and-file, he placed second to Bernard C. Parks for the chief's job. Under Parks, he had complained to colleagues that he felt ostracized. In Portland, Kroeker bristles at the notion that his department is not carrying its weight in the fight against terrorism. "This isn't crazy Portland politics," he said. "We're just trying to do the right thing." Charlie Mathews, FBI special agent in charge in Portland, said that despite the differing legal opinions, Kroeker's officers are actively involved on his 35-member anti-terrorism task force. "They're our best partners," Mathews said. "I appreciate the difficult situation he's in," Mathews said. "His attorney has given him advice and he's following it, which is what a professional does." For all the civic debate over Kroeker's position, computer programmer Phil Jarvis, 33, said he can predict the ultimate outcome: "This will all blow over in six months. Portland already has a liberal reputation and, at the most, this will just become part of that."

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libertarian vs. socialist
by mattd 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

"libertarian socialist" is an oxymoron." Like anarcho-capitalist? I do use anarchist gerberally.Tim Im posting articles under your name at Indymedia.When I do I try to be very exact with it. but sometimes Im cutting and pasting like a whirling dervish and dont attribute.Thats usually with the more outre statements you make in your less lucid moments.Im just telling you as a courtesy,Oh and thanks for not popping me in the corn. "Who wants to participate to help form what will be the LAST revolution on earth, the one that'll take down ALL the governments?"

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cypherpunks you are one of our winners
by christy27f＠excite.com 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

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Re: playstation? play dead.
by mattd 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

..."what the fuck does this have to do with cypherpunks? " What the fuck does half the states trolls posts and spam have to do with cypherpunks.PLAY has a lot to do with getting crypto mainstream in GAMES.Am I playing in this surveilled strip mall till it closes...maybe. Someone with your sig should know some GAME THEORY.Also a reminder of mortality like... "Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." --Robert A. Heinlein

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Re: fuel injected firearm
by mattd 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

RE: Metalstorm.As they can be made e-specific to one owner,I think we should all be able to have a liscenced version along with stingers in case rouge airliners get loose in our skies. An acquaintance has come up with what he thinks is a novel and practical design for a liquid propellent rocket engine. Although his initial tests were not conclusive he thinks he can build an under 50 lb LOX-Propane rocket which can put 20 lbs or more into LEO. See http://www.halfwaytoanywhere.com/rocket/ Interestingly, he found that ordinary plastic quart size Coke bottles (esp. the rounded bottom types often capped with a black base) were very flexible at LOX temperatures and were able to withstand enough pressure to make them practical as fuel and oxidizer tanks. The ISP is greater than 300 and Mass Ratio even more impressive. If he can get some funding an amateur single-stage to orbit is a very real possibility. It could also have a variety of commercial and military uses ;-)

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RE: fuel injected firearm
by Trei, Peter 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

While I'm not a shootingpunk, here a couple points. 1. The space behind the slug of a man-usable firearm isn't that big. To get a decent velocity you have to pack it with a propellant with a high energy content. Gas or vapor phase systems are generally too low in energy/volume (consider: you can run a car on cylinders with <100cc of space above the cylinder at max compression. If you filled the same space with cordite you'd blow the engine apart instantly). Using a larger combustion chamber feeding into the space behind the slug might work (search on gas guns). The whole thing gets complex and heavy, since you have to mix the fuel and oxidizer, and feed in the slug. 2. Liquid propellant guns (search on that term) are well developed for artillary, but I don't know of any light weapons which use this. LPGs are kind of neat in howitzer type applications because (1) A tank of propellant & a rack of projectiles takes less space than cased solid propellant shells, so you can carry more ammo, and (2) you can vary the propellant from shot to shot based on emergent conditions. One neat hack is 'time on target' in which a series of rounds are fired in quick succession, at different elevations and propellant load so they all arrive at the target simultaneously. (the LPG liquid propellant does not need an added oxidizer). Peter Trei > ---------- > From: keyser-soze@hushmail.com[SMTP:keyser-soze@hushmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:32 PM > To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com > Subject: fuel injected firearm > > Have any of the shootingpunks on the list heard of constructing a firearm > from something akin to a internal combustion chamber?

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Oceans next in U.S. "war on terror"
by Jim Choate 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

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