November 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: in praise of gold
by Faustine 01 Dec '01

01 Dec '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David wrote: George wrote: >>5) Gold makes women sleep with you. I don't know why they >>like it, but they do. >They sleep with you because of your large cattle herd only they >have accepted abstracted value and settle for gold or stocks... Not all women are golddiggers. I happen to think any woman who marries for money or sleeps around for gifts and dinners is worse than a whore. As the old saw goes, at least real prostitutes are honest about what they're doing. The only "abstracted value" I find really intriguing is the quality of a man's mind. Everything else is entirely beside the point. You have no idea how often I get hit on by so-called "attractive" men--and I'm quite proud to say I've never dated even one of them. I'd prefer a fat cranky old genius over a rich businessman or male model anyday! But if sleeping with golddiggers is good enough for you, to each his own. Though it must totally unsatisfying to know that your golddigger-du-jour will stop valuing you when your cash flow dries up. A shame you couldn't have found someone better instead. ~Faustine. *** The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedoms. - --William O. Douglas, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBO/r/Yfg5Tuca7bfvEQK0YACfQ9sHcAg4LWiF2UWfgztFLMpyyy4AoOiH hAYHtV/KWh7590kzgWfnN0il =3Vyx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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libertarian vs. socialist
by mattd 01 Dec '01

01 Dec '01

"...libertarian vs. socialist .."From Tims epistle to the faithful.9-11 certainly shook a few authoritarians out of the woodpile in both the libertarian and the socialist scenes.Nasty stuff. What happened to libertarian socialist? An R.Crumb cartoon for the noughties,"Im a libertarian socialist!" http://world.std.com/~mhuben/cypher.html Assassination Politics Convicted tax evader Jim Bell proposes a system of anonymous ecash awards for the murder of "aggressors", such as IRS agents. See also Crypto-Convict Won't Recant. What he misses is that his system, if tolerated, would merely force government to operate secretly rather than openly. They can do that?

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R.I.P. Cypherpunks
by measl＠mfn.org 01 Dec '01

01 Dec '01

http://www.securityfocus.com/news/294 "Once the online haunt of top cryptographers, the Cypherpunks list was characterized by its mix of revolutionary politics and advanced mathematics. This week, a founder pronounced it dead and buried" -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Celebrate Bill of Rights Day in Denver (fwd)
by measl＠mfn.org 01 Dec '01

01 Dec '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:43:43 -0700 From: John Jackson <jjackson(a)attrition.org> To: measl(a)mfn.org, bensons(a)savvis.net, dave.salaman(a)savvis.net, greg.graff(a)savvis.net Subject: Celebrate Bill of Rights Day in Denver This ought to be fun: http://www.stanley2002.org/borday.htm Join Rick on Bill of Rights Day and defend your right to keep and bear arms. Civil disobedience is the only way to secure our Constitutional rights against an unconstitutional government. At high noon on December 15, 2001, at the state Capitol in Denver, Rick will be wearing a loaded pistol in a holster in plain sight for all to see -- per his Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Rick Stanley, Libertarian candidate for U.S. Senate, will be arrested by the Denver police for insisting that his Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed. [...]

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DRUDGE REPORT 2001� - World Exclusive - CBS news veteran called 'traitor'; writes book exposing elite bias
by Jim Choate 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

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Slashdot | Open Spectrum: Free the Airwaves
by Jim Choate 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

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Slashdot | Next Restricted CD Coming Soon
by Jim Choate 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

http://slashdot.org/articles/01/11/30/2240232.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fwd: Reminder: Special Event: Why Freedom Matters More than Ever
by Steve Schear 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

>X-Sender: swan001.mailadmin(a)pop.independent.org >Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:24:55 -0800 >To: schear(a)lvcm.com (Mr. Steve Schear) >From: "David J. Theroux" <mailadmin(a)independent.org> >Subject: Reminder: Special Event: Why Freedom Matters More than Ever > >Dear Steve, > > To follow up on my recent note, I am happy to report that C-SPAN > will be taping our very timely, upcoming Independent Policy Forum with > Professor David Henderson, entitled "Why Freedom Matters More than Ever." > > As a result, if you have not done so already, we encourage you to > make your reservation as soon as possible in order to guarantee > seating. Please see the below announcement for details and contact our > registrar, Ms. Nichelle Beardsley, at 510-632-1366 or > nbeardsley(a)independent.org to reserve your seat. > > We hope to see you Tuesday evening, December 4th. > > Best regards, > > David J. Theroux > Founder and President > The Independent Institute > 100 Swan Way > Oakland, CA 94621-1428 > 510-632-1366 Phone > 510-568-6040 Fax > DTheroux(a)independent.org > http://www.independent.org > >*********** > >"Why Freedom Matters More Than Ever" -- An Independent Policy Forum, >December 4, 2001 >http://www.independent.org/tii/forums/011204ipf.html > >Is a republic justified during national emergencies in expanding >government powers that result in permanent losses of civil and economic >liberties? Is the U.S. government currently passing laws that we will live >to regret? What are the best strategies for pursuing both security and freedom? > >To overcome the new threat of terrorism and a recession, must freedom be >restricted? Americans hold that freedom makes economic progress and the >good society possible -- yet many support curtailing freedom during >national emergencies. Economist DAVID HENDERSON, however, holds that >freedom is as important during wartime and recession as it is during >peacetime and prosperity. > >Based on his insightful new book, THE JOY OF FREEDOM: An Economist's >Odyssey, Professor Henderson will examine the imperative of individual >liberty to the workings and institutions of a free and just society and to >such issues as safety, employment, economic welfare, education, health >care, the environment, community, culture, and much more. In so doing, he >will examine how freedom is crucial for ensuring lasting peace, security >and harmony. > >SPEAKER*: > >-- DAVID R. HENDERSON (Professor of Economics, Naval Postgraduate School; >Research Fellow, Hoover Institution) is author of THE JOY OF FREEDOM: An >Economist's Odyssey > >WHEN: > Tuesday, December 4, 2001 > Reception and book signing: 6:30 p.m. > Program: 7:00 - 8:30 p.m. > >WHERE: > The Independent Institute Conference Center > 100 Swan Way > Oakland, CA 94621-1428 > For a map and directions, see > http://www.independent.org/tii/tii_info/about.html#map > >TICKETS: $30.00 per person: includes one copy of THE JOY OF FREEDOM: An >Economist's Odyssey. Admission without a book is $12 per person ($8 for >Independent Institute Associate Members) > > Because seating is limited, please make your reservations as soon > as possible. To purchase tickets, please contact the Institute's Events > Coordinator, Ms. Nichelle Beardsley, at 510-632-1366 or via e-mail at > nbeardsley(a)independent.org. > > >Praise for David R. Henderson's THE JOY OF FREEDOM: An Economist's Odyssey: > >"THE JOY OF FREEDOM is passionate and eloquent, yet at the same time, >thoughtful, informed, and profound. A splendid statement of the moral case >for a free society, at the same time it is an informed and comprehensive >survey of its practical virtues and of the harm done by widespread >government intervention." > -- MILTON FRIEDMAN, Nobel Laureate in Economic Science > >" THE JOY OF FREEDOM is an engaging tale of Henderson's odyssey to the >wonders of freedom." > -- JOHN STOSSEL, correspondent, ABC News > >"THE JOY OF FREEDOM is a dazzling intellectual memoir, a high-level lesson >in market economics, a terrific read." > -- DANIEL SELIGMAN, columnist, FORBES Magazine > >" THE JOY OF FREEDOM is a superb lesson from one of the masterly economics >teachers." > -- AMITY SHLAES, columnist, FINANCIAL TIMES > >For more about this event, see >http://www.independent.org/tii/forums/011204ipf.html. > >*DAVID R. HENDERSON is Professor of Economics at the Naval Postgraduate >School and Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution. Professor Henderson >received his Ph.D. in economics from UCLA; he has taught economics at >Santa Clara University, St. Louis University, and the University of >Rochester; and he has served as Senior Economist with the President's >Council of Economic Advisors. Editor of the book, FORTUNE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF >ECONOMICS, he is the recipient of the Rear Admiral John Jay Schieffelin >Award and the Mencken Award. His scholarly studies have appeared in the >Journal of Policy Analysis and Management, Journal of Monetary Economics, >Contemporary Policy Issues, Energy Journal, and other journals, and his >popular articles have been published in the New York Times, Barron's, >Fortune, Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, and elsewhere. Professor >Henderson has also testified before the House Ways and Means Committee, >Senate Arms Services Committee, and the Senate Labor and Human Resources >Committee, and he has appeared on CNN, "The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer," and >other national news and public affairs programs.

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Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality
by Greg Broiles 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

At 02:26 PM 11/30/2001 -0800, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: > > Following which the buyer posts all the signed emails between self and > > seller detailing the fraudulent transaction. > >Worthless, as all of those messages could have been forged. Or did you >mean to say that they had been dated by a third party timestamping >service? > >The fact is, digital signatures are irrelevant if private keys can be >compromised. I strongly suggest that you look beyond simple all-or-nothing thinking about digital signatures; they are neither the "undeniable irrevocable absolutely certain proof of enforceability" that their proponents want to believe, nor are they "irrelevant" or worthless because of the mere possibility of key compromise. Other kinds of proof and evidence with respect to transactions and agreements admit many more levels of nuance, meaning, and reliability and there's no reason to expect that digital signatures will prove to be any different .. or should be any different. -- Greg Broiles -- gbroiles(a)parrhesia.com -- PGP 0x26E4488c or 0x94245961 Eliminate due process, civil rights? It's the Constitution, stupid!

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30 Nov '01

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