November 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

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18 Nov '01

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Anonymous Banking Opportunity
by SwissTeller ATM 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"> <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0"> <meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document"> <title>SwissTeller</title> </head> <body bgcolor="#187488"> <div align="center"> <div align="center"> <table border="0" width="582"> <tbody> <tr> <td> <div align="center"> <font color="#a0c4d0" face="Arial" size="6"><b>SwissTeller Internet Banking</b></font> </div> <div align="center"> <font color="#a0c4d0" face="Arial" size="6"><b>www.swissteller.com</b></font> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div align="center"> <p> <font size="6" color="#A0C4D0" face="Arial">Safe - Secure - Free</font></p> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td height="126"> <div align="left"> <p><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3" color="#FFFFFF"><b>The worlds 1st totally anonymous online savings and funds transfer system. With SwissTeller you can safely, securely, and anonymously, transfer funds online, and collect higher interest rates than with conventional savings accounts. We offer 3 different SwissTeller accounts to choose from, you're sure to find one that is right for your online banking needs.</b></font></p> <p><br> </p> </div> <blockquote> <div align="left"> <blockquote> <blockquote> <ul> <li><font color="#ffffcc" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b><a class="yel" href="#ch" target="_self" style="color: #FFFFCC">Swiss Checking </a><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">(earn .8% per month)</font></b></font> <li><font color="#ffffcc" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b><a class="yel" href="#sa" target="_self" style="color: #FFFFCC">Swiss Savings</a>    <font color="#ffffff" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">(earn 2% per month)</font></b></font> <li><font color="#ffffcc" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b><a class="yel" href="#gl" target="_self" style="color: #FFFFCC">Swiss Gold</a>          <font color="#ffffff" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">(earn 3% per month)</font></b></font></li> </ul> </blockquote> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </td> </tr> <tr> <td height="2"> <p> </p> <p><a class="or" href="#" style="color: #FFCC00"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="1">For Merchant Banking please click here.</font></a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p> </p> </div> <hr> <div align="center"> <p><a name="ch"></a></p> <table border="0" width="582"> <tbody> <tr> <td height="34" width="164"> <p align="center"></p> </td> <td height="34" width="264"> <div align="center"> <font color="#a0c4d0" face="Arial" size="6"><b><font size="5">Swiss Checking<br> </font></b><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="2">(Business & Personal)</font></font> </div> </td> <td height="34" width="164"> <div align="center"> <a href="http://www.swissteller.com/onlineatm" target="_parent"><img border="0" src="join.gif" width="79" height="19"></a> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colSpan="3"> <div align="center"> <p> </p> </div> <blockquote> <div align="left"> <blockquote> <ul> <li><b><font face="Arial" size="2">Minimum Deposit: $25.00 </font></b> <li><b><font face="Arial" size="2">Earns .8% Per Month<br> <a class="yel" href="#fee" target="_self">fee's</a></font></b></li> </ul> <p><br> <b><font face="Arial">SwissTeller ATM opens E-checking accounts for anonymous member depositors for an undetermined time period. If you wish to bank anonymously,  but are unsure whether you will need access to your funds at any given moment, please use the advantages of an E-checking account.<br> You can supplement the E-checking account with any amount at any time. You have access to these funds 24 hours per day, 7 days per week. To accrue interest on this account, you must achieve a balance above $250. The Interest is credited to the account daily.</font></b></p> <div align="center"> <table border="0" width="367"> <tbody> <tr> <td height="28"> <div align="center"> <b>$250 or more earns<font color="#ffcc00" face="Arial"> .8% per month</font></b> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div align="center"> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div align="center"> <a href="http://www.swissteller.com/join" target="_parent"><img border="0" src="join.gif" width="79" height="19"></a> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <p align="center"> </p> <p align="center"> </p> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <hr> <p><a name="sa"></a></p> <table border="0" width="582"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="154"> <div align="center"> </div> </td> <td width="263"> <div align="center"> <font color="#a0c4d0" face="Arial" size="6"><b><font size="5">Swiss Savings<br> </font></b><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="2">(Business & Personal)</font></font> </div> </td> <td width="151"> <div align="center"> <a href="http://www.swissteller.com/join" target="_parent"><img border="0" src="join.gif" width="79" height="19"></a> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colSpan="3"> <div align="center"> <div align="center"> <p> </p> </div> <blockquote> <div align="left"> <blockquote> <ul> <li><b><font face="Arial" size="2">Minimum Deposit: $2,500.00 </font></b> <li><b><font face="Arial" size="2">Earns up to 2% Per Month<br> </font></b></li> </ul> <p><br> <b><font face="Arial">SwissTeller ATM opens savings accounts for anonymous member depositors for specfic time periods.  Our Swiss Savins accounts give you access to your interest earned on a monthly basis.  These plans are especially attractive due to the monthly interest earned (up to 2% per month)</font></b></p> <div align="center"> <table border="0" width="329"> <tbody> <tr> <td height="28"> <div align="center"> <b>6 month Swiss Savings Account</b> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div align="left"> <b>$2,500 -$5,000 earns<font color="#ffcc00" face="Arial"> 1% per month</font></b> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div align="left"> <b>$5,000 - $25,000 earns<font color="#ffcc00" face="Arial"> 1.5% per month</font></b> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div align="left"> <b>$25,000 -$50,000 earns<font color="#ffcc00" face="Arial"> 2% per month</font></b> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div align="center"> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div align="center"> <a href="http://www.swissteller.com/join" target="_parent"><img border="0" src="join.gif" width="79" height="19"></a> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <p align="center"> </p> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <hr> <p><a name="gl"></a></p> <table border="0" width="582"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="166"> <div align="center"> </div> </td> <td width="225"> <div align="center"> <font color="#a0c4d0" face="Arial" size="6"><b><font size="5">Swiss Gold<br> </font></b><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="2">(Business & Personal)</font></font> </div> </td> <td width="177"> <div align="center"> <a href="http://www.swissteller.com/join" target="_parent"><img border="0" src="join.gif" width="79" height="19"></a> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colSpan="3"> <div align="center"> <div align="center"> <p> </p> </div> <blockquote> <div align="left"> <blockquote> <ul> <li><b><font face="Arial" size="2">Minimum Deposit: $10,000.00 </font></b> <li><b><font face="Arial" size="2">Earns up to 3% Per Month<br> <a class="yel" href="#fee" target="_self">fee's</a></font></b></li> </ul> <p><br> <b><font face="Arial">Our Swiss Gold Accounts are our most popular account.  This account pays interest of up to 36% per year.</font></b></p> <p align="center"> </p> <div align="center"> <table border="0" width="338"> <tbody> <tr> <td height="28"> <div align="center"> <b>1 year Swiss Gold Savings Account</b> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div align="left"> <b>$10,000 -$25,000 earns<font color="#ffcc00" face="Arial"> 1.75% per month</font></b> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div align="left"> <b>$25,000 - $50,000 earns<font color="#ffcc00" face="Arial"> 2.25% per month</font></b> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div align="left"> <b>$50,000 or more earns<font color="#ffcc00" face="Arial"> 3% per month</font></b> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div align="center"> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div align="center"> <a href="http://www.swissteller.com/join" target="_parent"><img border="0" src="join.gif" width="79" height="19"></a> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <p align="center"> </p> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> </div> <hr> <div align="center"> <p><a name="fee"></a></p> </div> <div align="center"> <p><b><font size="4" face="Arial">Broker Participation</font></b></p> </div> <div align="center"> <table border="0" width="90%"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="100%"><font face="Arial"><b>Please feel free to contact us at:</b></font> <font size="2" color="#FFFFFF" face="Arial"><b><a style="color: #FFFFCC" href="mailto:info@mail.swissteller.com">help_desk(a)mail.swissteller.com< /a></b></font> <p align="center"><b><font color="#FFFFFF" face="Arial" size="5"><a style="color: #FFFFCC">or Call Toll Free 888-625-8120</a></font></b></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> </body> </html>

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China Broadband (CBBD) - Profile Of The Week!
by Wallstreet Universe 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> NOVEMBER 19, 2001 - THE WALLSTREET UNIVERSE REPORT <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Dear Investor, Our last three profiles of: AMSE, CETA and EMBI have performed tremendously!!! Our new company spotlight is China Broadband (OTC BB:CBBD.OB) China Broadband CBBD has become the leading provider of cable broadband Internet services in China by way of its joint ventures partnerships with existing network operators. CBBD is positioned to be Chinas most significant broadband Internet access provider; capitalizing and leveraging on its first mover advantage in Chinas Internet broadband sector. China's recent addition to the WTO affirms CBBD position and future opportunity. CBBD is extremely optimistic about the Company for the short term and very excited about the Companys future prospects. Savvy investors can immediately identify the potential of CBBD at its current valuation. The full company profile is below. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ China Broadband (OTC BB:CBBD.OB) Friday's Closing Price:$0.50 52-week Range: $0.40 - $9.50 Company Homepage: http://www.chinabroadband.com Contact Info: ir(a)chinabroadband.com To Read The Full Write-up Go Here: http://si1.streetinsider.com/index.cfm?method=site_profilesCurrent ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ABOUT CHINA BROADBAND (OTC BB: CBBD.OB) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ China Broadband, through its wholly owned operational subsidiary Big Sky Network Canada Ltd. (Big Sky Network), provides cable broadband Internet services in partnership with existing network operators to Chinas residential and business Internet market. By taking advantage of existing network infrastructure, particularly Chinas modern hybrid fibre-optic coaxial (HFC) cable television architecture, China Broadband provides reliable access to the Internet at a fraction of the cost and many times the speed of the current telephone line (dial-up) alternative. As the purchase of networks by foreign companies is not permitted, China Broadband forms co-operative joint ventures with government owned network companies, which have the sole right to offer Internet access and value-added services. Under these joint ventures, the Chinese partner contributes the exclusive access to the network, while China Broadband contributes the required capital, management and Internet technology to enable Internet access once all government approvals have been received. The capital China Broadband contributes is limited to the hardware to enable Internet access. As a result the Company obtains exclusive access while avoiding the sizeable network installation and maintenance costs. China Broadband enjoys favorable terms under these joint ventures, including 60 to 80 percent profit sharing, board control and a 15 to 20 year term. The resulting footprint of cable television subscribers the Company has under agreement is in excess of 14 million, representing approximately 15 percent of Chinas 90 million cable subscribers; the largest cable market in the world (65 million in North America). Given this large exclusive footprint and the rapidly increasing demand for Internet in China (400 percent per year) China Broadband should achieve its minimum target penetration levels of one million subscribers in the first 5 years and significant growth thereafter. The Company charges its subscribers up to US$22 per month. With average subscriber acquisition costs of less than US$255, the Company believes it will achieve rapid pay out and be profitable within its first two years of operation. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KEY INDUSTRY / COMPANY CONSIDERATIONS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Positioned to be both Chinas most significant broadband Internet access provider * CATV subscriber footprint of +14 million * Capitalizing and leveraging on its first mover advantage in Chinas Internet broadband sector * Proven Management Team * First fully approved deployment in Shekou, Shenzhen * Fully approved and deployed in Chengdu, Sichuan, Beijing, Shanghai and Chongqing municipalities signed MOUs (memorandum of understanding) * Hunan and Fujian Province MOUs * Superior product (+50x speed, reliable, affordable, always on) * Target of + 1,000,000 subscribers by 2005, significant growth thereafter exceeding US penetration * Co-operative Joint Ventures to avoid infrastructure costs * Exceptional Joint Venture Terms; exclusivity, profit sharing, 15 to 20 year long term contracts * Financing at NAV and Comparables, * Value added services revenues * EBITA positive early, profitable 4th quarter 2001 * IP Telephony Revenue potential, Mother of all Markets * Well positioned to take advantage of Chinas ascension to the World Trade Organization (WTO) * US $11.8 million raised to date, cash position $2.8 million, no debt, approx. $150k /month burn rate ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ INVESTMENT SUMMARY ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Company has no debt, raised US$11.8 million to date and has $2.8 million in cash and an approximate burn rate of $150k/mth. With a market capitalization of approximately $15 million (based on fully diluted shares) China Broadband can offer investors substantial upside potential if the Company can deliver on its business plan and rapidly convert its exclusive and existing cable subscriber footprint to Internet broadband subscribers. Over the past year China Broadbands stock has lacked visibility and has been flying under the market radar while management has been quietly executing its business plan, signing joint ventures, and rolling out service. As well, it has been caught like many companies in the general down draft of the Internet / broadband / fiber-optic blow off and the market has not recognized the prospects of Companys cash flow valuation. The stock price is down significantly from its peak of US$9.50 for a variety of market reasons discussed in this profile. However we feel the current stock price could go higher based on; the favorable economics of China Broadbands business model, the Companys unprecedented CATV footprint of 14 million and growing cable subscribers, and Chinas WTO ascension this year. China Broadband is consequently extremely well positioned to be both China and the worlds most significant broadband Internet access provider. We therefore are positive about the Company for the short term and remain optimistic about the Companys prospects and progress in the Chinese broadband market. China Broadband, under Matthew Heysels leadership, has built up an impressive team of senior managers and directors to guide the Company. They have taken the Company from start-up to its current state and the current team appears more than capable of bringing the Company through its next phase of growth to profitability. +>+>+> TO READ THE FULL WRITE UP GO HERE: <A HREF=" http://si1.streetinsider.com/index.cfm?method=site_profilesCurrent "> http://si1.streetinsider.com/index.cfm?method=site_profilesCurrent </A> >>===================================>> DISCLAIMER Wallstreet Universe is an independent electronic publication providing information on selected companies. All statements and expressions are the opinion of Wallstreet Universe and are not meant to be either investment advice or a solicitation or recommendation to buy, sell, or hold securities. Investing in micro-cap securities is highly speculative and carries an extremely high degree of risk. Wallstreet Universe is not a registered investment advisor or a broker dealer. It is possible that an investor's investment may be lost or impaired due to the speculative nature of the companies profiled. This report relies on information provided by the featured Companies and/or third parties. While Wallstreet Universe believes its sources to be reliable, we make no representation or warranty as to the accuracy of the information provided. Readers should not rely solely on the information contained in this publication, but should consult with their own independent tax, business and financial advisors with respect to any investment opportunity, including any contemplated investment in the advertised Company. Factual statements in this publication are made as of the date stated and are subject to change without notice. Wallstreet Universe is not responsible for any claims made by the Company. 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Re: The Crypto Winter
by Neil Johnson 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

Economics 101 for those who don't/won't check the archives: The fundamental problem is Trust. The basic concept of money is to act as a proxy for the exchange of goods and services. Say a farmer needs medical attention and a doctor wants pork chops. Without "money" the farmer would have to pay the doctor with 100 bushels of grain (a good) for the doctor's expertise (a service). The doctor would then have to use the grain to pay another farmer for a pig, a butcher to kill it, and on and on. Obviously this is extremely inefficient (What's the farmer and doctor to do if the doctor already has a ton of grain, but really wants pork chops ?) "Money" allows the doctor to buy what he wants without transporting and storing a ton of grain, and without having to make several exchanges to finally get what he wants. BUT, This only works if everyone involved TRUSTS that the money's proxy value is stable, meaning that the value X mount of grain = Y dollars = Z number of pork chops remains relatively fixed over time (at least for the short-term of the transactions involved). In the past, this trust was facilitated by utilizing materials that were scarce and could not be obtained easily (gold, sliver, gems, pearls .etc.). To further improve efficiency this trust became based on scarce documents ( by virtue of not easily duplicated ) first representing an amount of the scarce materials mentioned above, and eventually becoming based on trust in the institution managing it (bank, government, etc.). Today, we are at the point where even the documents don't even need to exist, the value is represented as numbers in a computer somewhere. We just believe that when we use an ATM or a credit card that we will be provided the goods and services we desire. However, this trust is still mainly based on faith in the stability of a government ( with banks being granted a "license" to utilize that trust). In order for digital currency to become common place it must earn the same level of trust that existing money systems have. The problem is that the government has no interest in creating that trust and in fact has a bigger interest in preventing that trust from forming. So how do we develop this trust for digital cash ? Digicash tried tying back to the trust of existing money systems (unsuccessfully). E-gold, digi-gold, etc. are trying to tie back to the trust of scarce materials (the jury's still out, however they still risk problems with government interference). It would seem to me that digital cash would be better off not being tied either of these trust systems, but somehow develop it's own. Currently the only viable solution I'm aware of is an electronic version of "scarcity" by using unique serial numbers (using blinding techniques to preserve anonymity). However, this requires a "central authority" (either on-line or via smart cards) in order to determine whether the serial number has been already utilized and thus no longer has value. This requires that the users trust this authority to do its job. The "free-market" solution is to have many central authorities and allow users to decide which ones to trust. Authorities that maintain/improve trust will succeed, those that don't will fail. Much like banks long ago issued their own currencies. However, this won't provide the sort of ubiquitous trust that "Joe Six-Pack" is going to expect today. I don't know what the solution is, but I believe resolving this issue is the next breakthrough cypherpunks will need. -Neil

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by �� 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

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RE: Monkeywrenching airport security
by David Honig 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

At 11:51 AM 11/18/01 +0100, Eugene Leitl wrote: >> >gardeners have gotten hassled and delayed because of trace amounts of >> >ammonia-based fertilizers on their person and effects. If you plan to fly, > >Salts are different from traces of uncombusted nitrocellulose deposited on >any surface of a nearby gun being fired. KNO3 is of interest to airport security eg in gunpowder. Similar salts are in fertilizer. Ergo the caution. Also, some of us have had a black powder addiction at one time. >Nitroglycerin is not volatile, is present in large dilution (~0.1%) in >small quanitities (pharma bottle). Ditto nitrate salts in a water >solution. If you just took an angina pill I imagine the mechanical noses can detect it on your hands or things you touch immediately afterwards. >I think you should be able to get a good positive if you'd fire several >rounds of vanilla smokeless with baggage surface being near the muzzle >of the gun. Or blackpowder (or noncorrosive powder substitutes).. or wore that clothing when setting off firecrackers... Try it sometime, if you're unafraid of winding up in a >database. :-) I've found that transporting computer parts (motherboard) in >hand luggage can suffice to trigger swabbing (if you're really bored you >can discuss detection of Semtex traces with airport security). Not out of San Jose Intl... but discussing Semtex (tm) could get you federal charges in the states... Actually I have seen someone set off the sniffer, the local airline rep came over, they chatted briefly, the person was on their way, maybe 30 extra seconds taken. San Jose again. > Of course, best solution is using human >factors to not have your stuff being screened at all. "Love work, hate domination, and do not let your name come to the attention of the ruling powers." -Talmud/Sayings of the Fathers

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by FunnyMoney 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

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Re: The Crypto Winter
by Tim May 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

On Sunday, November 18, 2001, at 01:53 PM, Faustine wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Faustine wrote: > Tim wrote: > >> Getting away fron digital cash for a moment, If you'd care to point me >> to any examples of crypto companies really focused and committed to >> developing >> applications that are commercially appealing to Joe Sixpack AOLuser, >> I'd be interested to hear about them. > >>> SSL/RSA built into every financial transaction with the common >>> browsers. >>> Visit Amazon, Ebay, etc., and note the secure connections. >>> User-transpaperent, of course, but then, of course, this is precisely >>> what a "Joe Sixpack AOLuser" [SIC] application _must_ be. Your quoting software (?) is still broken. You have the order wrong. > > You know as well as I do that the real push for improving transaction > security > is coming from commercial interests, not demand by the average user. You asked for an example, I gave a good one. As for who is asking for this, this is hard to say. Is the security of a bank vault being "asked for" by "commercial interests" or by "customers"? > I'm a neo-Schopenhauerian Cynic-Stoic eudaimonist. Which is entirely > beside the > point that if you or I were trying to _make money_ selling crypto > directly to > average home users, we certainly ought to put some real effort into > hiring > people who know what average home users really want and are comfortable > with. This was done _extensively_ by the PGP/NAI people and by others. They had staffs of people designing products, designing boxes for sale at computer stores, etc. You keep showing your basic unawareness of the past. > Even with a whole laundry list of reasons behind the recent troubles > (i.e. failures) of ZKS and Network Associates, I don't think you ought > to > dismiss the "intelligence divide" problem out of hand. Maybe you can, > but I > think it's still worth considering. Then contribute something more than saying that other people are not doing what they should be doing. Companies have been trying to convince the home computer user that they should be encrypting for years. Doesn't wrok. And for not very surprising reasons. Same thing seen in the home security business, backups, etc. (The average user doesn't make any backups. The average homeowner doesn't do any more to secure his house than what it came with. In other words, "the defaults." ) > >>> As usual, you just bullshit about things you obviously know little >>> about. Do some serious reading, get up to speed. > > As usual, you round things off with an rallying cry of > "whippersnapper!!!" > No problem, I know the drill. You keep chanting about "whippersnapper!" I have no idea how old you are...you could very well be one of those menopausal women who go back to grad school after being kicked out of the house...though usually they end up studying to become psychobabblers. Your problem is not your age, it's your ignorance of core issues. I suspect you are willfully uneducable. --Tim May "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." --Robert A. Heinlein

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Cookbooks and Pigs (Was Re: HOWTO Build a Nuclear Device)
by Anonymous 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

Tim wrote: > The bomb instructions Joe provided are as accurate as most recipes in > "The Anarchist Cookbook." > > (A book my local Sheriff's Department banned in 1970.) How did the Sheriff's Department manage to do this?

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Re: The Crypto Winter
by Major Variola (ret) 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

At 09:59 PM 11/17/01 -0800, Tim May wrote: > >As for me, I'm a neo-Calvinist Nietzscheian. It is of little concern to >me whether crypto is dumbed-down to the point where Mr. Rogers uses it. Mr Rodgers is mourning the death of Mr. McFeely the speedy delivery man who succumbed to anthrax... There is a rumor that one of the teletubbies has an STU in his belly. Oscar the Grouch is on the FBI's watch list. ------- Druids worship trees. Reformed Druids worship shrubs and trees. Zen Druids worship imaginary trees.

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