November 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

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18 Nov '01

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ATM Fiends On A Spree Of Rip-Offs
by Steve Schear 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

ATM FIENDS ON A SPREE OF RIP-OFFS By LARRY CELONA and ANDY GELLER [My security group at Citicorp (which designed and built the crypto systems for our ATMs and switching fabric processors) predicted in the late '80s that Van Eck freaking an ATM might be a successful way to eavesdrop on PINs and card info.] November 17, 2001 -- EXCLUSIVE The NYPD and the Secret Service have launched a major investigation into complaints that bank customers have lost thousands of dollars through unauthorized ATM withdrawals. Since last Saturday, the NYPD has received more than a dozen complaints of unauthorized withdrawals, mostly from people who have used ATMs on the Upper East Side. But customers who use ATMs in the Financial District and the West Side have also been hit. Cops are expanding their probe citywide and expect to find many more cases. Sources said most of the complaints involve Citibank customers, but people who bank with Chase and other institutions also have been victimized. Customers have lost up to $3,000 apiece - even though their bank cards have never left their possession. Most of the victims are people who used ATMs in grocery stores, delis and shopping malls, the sources said. Investigators believe that the thieves have managed to hook up personal computers to the ATM and download information about customers, the sources said. Then they make phony bank cards and withdraw money using the customers' personal identification numbers.

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Re: HOWTO Build a Nuclear Device
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

When I was in high school, studying programming, a friend who worked at a weapons lab contractor gave me sample FORTRAN code to study for style. The huge stacks of print out were labled Nuclear Code Library (or something similar). The code comments contained references to cross sections and reaction rates. If I still have the stuff, unlikely, I'll OCR and post.

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Scalia: Thumbs Down on ID Card
by Steve Schear 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

Scalia: Thumbs Down on ID Card Antonin Scalia, one of the Supreme Court's most conservative justices, says he would vote against a national ID card if the issue went on the ballot. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,48419,00.html

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Re: The Crypto Winter
by Faustine 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 07:52:17PM -0500, Faustine wrote: > So maybe it's worth putting a little effort into thinking of ways to > AOLize (for lack of a better term) digital cash: a mass market reqires > mass appeal. >What a good idea! Bet nobody thought of that before! So why are so many people making the same mistakes and feeling shocked and indignant when they end up with the same results, i,e. failure? Getting away fron digital cash for a moment, If you'd care to point me to any examples of crypto companies really focused and committed to developing applications that are commercially appealing to Joe Sixpack AOLuser, I'd be interested to hear about them. Is it really such a stretch to say that most people in the crypto community don't really give a damn about Joe wants or needs? How many times have you heard people here implicitly echo the sentiment: "If they're too lazy or stupid to get it, then screw em." Maybe the technology isn't far enough along to waste time worrying about Joe at all. But the disdain so many "high priests of the code" seem to feel towards the uninitiated might go a long way toward explaining why revenues aren't all they could be. ~Faustine. *** The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedoms. - --William O. Douglas, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBO/c4L/g5Tuca7bfvEQJu8ACeNketT3BvxyEyP93k5X9GyMOPQZ8AoOG7 BGLr2t/Ns7BKyzIq2Gei3UuK =HP8m -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Recording Artists File Brief Against RIAA
by Steve Schear 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

Recording Artists File Brief Against RIAA Matthew Skala writes: "The Recording Artists' Coalition, which includes such luminaries as Bruce Springsteen, Don Henley, and Sheryl Crow, is still annoyed about the "Work for Hire" legislation we heard about in August 2000. They've filed a brief in the Napster cases, urging the court not to accept the RIAA's copyright registration documents as proof of ownership, because accepting the documents would allow the music cartel to sneakily destroy artists' claims to the music they recorded. They don't take a stand on other issues we might be interested in, but it's still worth thinking about. If the artists are against the RIAA, then whom exactly does the RIAA represent? Some quotes and info are on Siliconvalley.com." http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/tech/082413.htm http://slashdot.org/yro/01/11/15/0410226.shtml

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Re: Monkeywrenching
by Faustine 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aimee wrote: > I am no longer on the list. My "Policeman Inside" broke out. He won't let me > be associated with silly salad talk, mission orientation, and Levi-Smithing. >You need to build an inner jail for your inner policeman! But to make >sure that he has due process, you need an inner internal affairs >department to look into his complaints! Personally, I think you just need to buy your Inner Policeman an Inner Donut and calm down before charging off in a huff and leaving even less diversity of opinion around here. What was it you were saying about moderate voices on the list the other day? It's not as if anyone is likely to mistake your opinions for anyone else's. Oh well, to each his own. ~Faustine. *** The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedoms. - --William O. Douglas, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBO/dIcfg5Tuca7bfvEQK7fACfa0uZPnt4vK4aPPZBuoEvLM9rkyMAoNJC BGIbgbumRjxcr+nEKxRcSaDQ =TiS9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: Monkeywrenching
by Aimee Farr 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

> "A good example of monkeywrenching can be found at the article posted > earlier, http://www.keepandbeararms.com/angel/articles/consterrorist.htm. > This shows an apparently legitimate flyer from the "Phoenix FBI Joint > Terrorism Task Force" telling people whom they should watch out for. It > includes people who "make numerous references to the US constitution", > people who are "'defenders' of the US constitution against federal > government and the UN", people who attempt to "police the police" and so on." Think the criminal defense bar is concerned? ~Aimee

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Re: Cypherpunk failures
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 17 Nov '01

17 Nov '01

At 02:00 AM 11/18/2001 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: >The larger question is, what is it about the cypherpunk worldview which is so wrong? Why do cypherpunks constantly predict events which don't come true? And is this faulty vision responsible for the failure of the cypherpunks to maintain their cultural and technological influence, and to make progress towards their goals? >The most crippling error of the cypherpunks has been their unremitting pessimism. Ever since the group was created they have predicted imminent crackdowns on cryptography. And yet the trend has consistently been in the opposite direction. Rather than keeping to an optimistic vision of a better world, cypherpunks have sunk into a morass of doomsaying. The Y2K debacle was perhaps the most prominent example of failed pessimism. Why work on crypto if the world is coming to an end? You're way off base. Many CP on and off this list have attempted, some to a relatively creditable degree, to create technologies (many open source) or launch ventures consistent with CP goals. >Another mistake has been to view the world in simplistic terms of black and white, true patriots versus those who "need killin'". Government in this view is a monolithic entity with the single-minded goal of destroying individual rights and creating a tyrannical dictatorship. Society is composed of "sheeple" who are ignorant of their own best interests and easily manipulated by those in power. This view ignores the complex nature of political and corporate influence and the many competing groups which vie for power in the world. It emphasizes that to keep one's civil rights in the face of those who would trade them away, it may sometimes be necessary to temper their ignorance, greed, or other self interest with the specter of personal consequences untempered by law. >And of course much energy has been wasted in internal debate and rhetoric which, because founded on these erroneous points, has been useless and irrelevant. It's easier to moan and complain when bad things happen than to adopt a positive view of the world and work in an optimistic way to make it happen. >Meanwhile the most interesting technological changes are passing the cypherpunks by. The open source movement, peer to peer exchange, the music and copyright wars, all have had little impact in the cypherpunk world. Peer to peer technology alone has tremendous potential as a foundation for long-term cypherpunk dreams like anonymizing proxies, encrypted data sharing, eternity, even DC nets. Again you appear to be ignorant of the many CPs (Adam Back, Adam Shostack, Ian Goldberg, Ian Grigg, Doug Barnes, Sameer Parekh, Marc Bracino, Jim McCoy, and many others) who have contributed heavily in these areas. As Tim says read the archives. Its all there. While it may be true that some were too early and somewhat idealistic I expect that their efforts will directly or indirectly encourage others to take up the banner and push on to success.

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