November 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: Newsletter from Bacalao.Net
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10 Nov '00

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CDR: RE: A very brief politcal rant
by Ernest Hua 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

As I said earlier, a court may very well find some Constitutional issue or something else very serious about the appointment. But I would think that, in that event, there will be some other way found to work around the necessity for an appointment. Special bill passed in the state legislature? Who knows. My original point still stands. The voters should get what they want, unless they want something clearly illegal. That's a clear principle in our pseudo-democracy. Every principle has a point where it must be compromised to appropriately coexist with other principles. But it is clear that if the voters have spoken, there has to be a strong counter argument before their wishes can be voided in effect (not just in procedure). I am quite certain this principle will have a strong impact on the outcome, should should the issue go to trial. Ern -----Original Message----- X-Loop: openpgp.net From: Declan McCullagh [mailto:declan@well.com] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 8:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A very brief politcal rant Well, if it is an unconstitutional election-appointment combination, then technicalities *do* count, if only to keep some respect for that tattered document alive. I don't care much about that election, and it is big of Ashcroft to step aside, but the law turns on what you dismiss as mere "technicalities." -Declan On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 01:06:09PM -0500, Ernest Hua wrote: > Um ... this is a good technical argument, but it does not address > the basic premise that what the voters wants is what the voters > should get. There is no question what the voter wants. They > knew ahead of time that they would be voting for a dead man's wife. > The appointment may be technically flawed, but for a judge to throw > this out would require finding a serious problem. Technicality is > probably not a serious enough problem to go against the electorate. > > Ern > > -----Original Message----- > X-Loop: openpgp.net > From: Jim Burnes [mailto:jburnes@savvis.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:13 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: A very brief politcal rant > > > > On Wed, 08 Nov 2000, William H. Geiger III wrote: > > In <973697805.3a09730d4e448(a)webmail.cotse.com>, on 11/08/00 > > > > at 09:36 AM, brflgnk(a)cotse.com said: > > >If the citizens of Missouri chose to elect a deceased person as Senator, > > >I think that's exactly what they should get. Leave the seat empty for > > >two years. > > > > Someone had brought up the Constitutionality of having a dead man on the > > ballot. The reasoning was that the deceased are no longer legally citizens > > and therefore do not meet the Constitutional requirements for office. > > Even more significant is that a dead man cannot take the oath of office. > > If he can't take the oath of office he can't occupy the office. The > governor only has the power to replace a senatoratorial position if > the current office holder dies. > > Since Carnahan died before he took office, the office remains unfilled. The > > governor does not have power to appoint senators willy-nilly. The office > must > be held before it can be filled. The correct solution would be to hold a > special election so that the public has a chance to know who they are voting > into office. What the democrats are afraid of is that his wife might be > less fit to hold that office than her husband in some democrat's minds > (after debates etc). > > Here is a question? Would it be vote fraud to run one person's name on the > ballot and replace him with someone else when he won? > > jim > > -- > Sometimes it is said that man can not be trusted with the government of > himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we > found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this > question. -- Thomas Jefferson, 1st Inaugural >

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CDR: RE: Where is John Young?
by Trei, Peter 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

> ---------- > From: Tim May[SMTP:tcmay@got.net] > At 8:50 AM -0800 11/9/00, A. Melon wrote: > >Declan; > > Why haven't you found out yet what happened to Jim Bell? Certainly > you > >could ask questions of Portland PD, whatever, or his mom, find out what > >they've done with him. > > This is certainly a newsworthy item. Squelching free speech by > terrorizing > >dissedents is what it's all about. > > And where is John Young? His last post I can find was on 11/2. > Nothing since about the time the Bell raid happened. > > (And his posting statistics were fairly uniform prior to this: a post > or two every day, with very few long gaps.) > > I was only half-joking that maybe Bell's and Young's work on tracing > down those CIA safe houses in Bend, Oregon were getting him in > trouble. > > John, say it ain't so. > > --Tim May > There are new articles, dated today, in the cryptome. There is a gap from Nov 5 thru Nov 9. Maybe he went on vacation. Peter Trei

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CDR: Single photons on demand
by Jim Choate 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

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CDR: Student computer usage records available through FOI...
by Jim Choate 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

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CDR: Re: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
by George＠Orwellian.Org 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

Jim Burnes <jburnes(a)savvis.net> wrote: # I could stomach 'might be illegal', but illegal? Warren Christopher was just on TV, calling the ballot illegal. Let's leave it at that until a court decides. ---- Spooky Cypherpunk Niggar Tim May Moroned: # And, of course, Palm County will _not_ be given a # second chance to vote in this election. I guarantee it. It's either that or the choice you liked even less. Protest crowds are growing. Bush can't take office when half the country thinks people were screwed out of their vote to have that happen. Not in America, buddy. And your hallucinatory Truck O' Dynamite will never change that. ---- Declan, King of the Wired, wrote: # Amusing. But that's a suggested ballot, and not one # that's legally required. Which was my point. But the _directions_ were not "sample" directions. ---- Florida is now saying it won't be until Nov 17th until they can certify the vote. Bush's lead is now only 359. Federal investigators are looking into U.S.P.O. funny business at one unnamed office.

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10 Nov '00

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CDR: ip: REPUBLICANS CAN'T WIN THIS WAR By: Carole Ward
by R. A. Hettinga 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

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CDR: geezers and ballots
by anonymous＠openpgp.net 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

If you look at http://cnews.tribune.com/news/image/0,1119,oso-nation-82373,00.html you see the gripe about the Palm Beach ballots. What they dont mention is that, by the same visual-illiteracy that lets Gore votes go to Buchanan, votes for Browne go to Gore. There is far more difference between Browne Gore than between Gore Buchanan. The libs ought to be furious.

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CDR: RE: Re: A very brief politcal rant
by Trei, Peter 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

> ---------- > From: Alan Olsen[SMTP:alan@clueserver.org] > Reply To: Alan Olsen > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:22 PM > To: cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com > Cc: cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com > Subject: CDR: Re: A very brief politcal rant > > At 10:36 AM 11/8/00 -0500, brflgnk(a)cotse.com wrote: > >If the citizens of Missouri chose to elect a deceased person as Senator, > I > >think > >that's exactly what they should get. Leave the seat empty for two years. > > Nah! Just dig him up and wheel him to all the meetings. (I believe that > has been done at some British university. Not certain. Too much Ripley's > Believe It or Not as a kid...) > Jeremy Bentham, spiritual founder of University College, University of London. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/Bentham-Project/jb.htm for an image of the 'auto-icon' http://www.ucl.ac.uk/Bentham-Project/auto_il.gif It turns out that the story that the his preserved body attends University Council meetings (and is noted in the minutes as 'present, not voting') is only a UL (university legend). I got my degree at Kings College, University of London. Bentham was an atheist and the founder of Utilitarianism. King's was founded by a group of religious Londoners appalled by the thought of godless UC, and even in the late 1970's there was still a distinct rivalry between the two schools. Periodically, students from UC would steal 'Reggie' a lifesize lion statue which was King's mascot, and King's students would kidnap Jeremy's head (which is separated from, but stored with, the rest of his body). Usually, the momentos would be ransomed after a few weeks, with the money going to charity. Peter Trei PS: We covered all this in the list 5-6 years ago.

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