November 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by hole1001＠pageice.com 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

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CDR: Where indeed is John Young?
by brflgnk＠cotse.com 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

Tim asked where John Young might be, in considering Jim Bell's predicament. I notice that nothing new has been posted to Cryptome since Nov. 4. Why do I have a bad feeling about this?

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CDR: RE: A very brief politcal rant
by Ernest Hua 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

Are you arguing that there were people who did not know that they were voting for someone who was dead? Yes. I agree that the appointment may or may not be considered legal, depending upon how the law is interpreted. However, what is abundantly clear to me is that most, if not all, of the electorate know that the guy is dead. It was in the news for weeks. If anyone is suggesting that there is some bait and switch going on, let's see the evidence. Was there a news black out? Where the news papers destroyed? Radio stations cut off? TV frequencies jammed? Please note that it is not clear yet whether this particular corner case of the law is well-defined. The courts will decide that. The courts may very well be required to void this appointment for some important Constitutional reason. Who knows? My original point is that even if the courts find that the law is technically being violated, it may not necessarily void the appointment because the court may find that the violation is not serious enough to tell voters they cannot have what they want. Your statement about letting the voters have anything they want is clearly extreme and irrelevant in this case. This case is decided on subtleties of the law and the exceptional circumstances, not the extremes you are alluding to. Ern -----Original Message----- X-Loop: openpgp.net From: Jim Burnes [mailto:jburnes@savvis.net] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A very brief politcal rant On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, you wrote: > > Um ... this is a good technical argument, but it does not address > the basic premise that what the voters wants is what the voters > should get. There is no question what the voter wants. They > knew ahead of time that they would be voting for a dead man's wife. > The appointment may be technically flawed, but for a judge to throw > this out would require finding a serious problem. Technicality is > probably not a serious enough problem to go against the electorate. > > Let me re-state what you have just said. The 'people' should get what the 'people' want irregardless of the law. Unfortunately what the people want is unclear here. If the people wanted the dead governors wife for senate they should have put her on the ballot. Playing the bait and switch game distorts the election outcome. What the people are getting is what the governor wants. Welcome to the people's paradise of Misery. If the people really want her, a special election should clear that up very quickly. It would be above board and not more Jefferson City scamming and corruption. I've seen first hand the intent and demeanor of St. Louis politics and its not pretty. This probably had much to do with his election. jim

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CDR: Ruling Says Parents Have Right to See List of Sites Students Visit
by An Metet 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

By CARL S. KAPLAN In an opinion sure to heighten the tension between some parents and school systems over the Internet's role in publicly financed education, a New Hampshire judge has decided that a parent is entitled to see a list of the Internet sites or addresses visited by computer users at local schools. Unless overturned on appeal, the ruling by Judge Gillian L. Abramson of Rockingham Country Superior Court means that James M. Knight of Exeter, N.H., who brought the lawsuit last summer, may review a copy of the "Internet history log" files from computers maintained by two local school districts. The computer disk files contain a record of Internet sites visited by computer users -- students, staff, faculty -- within the Exeter Region Cooperative School District and the Exeter School District. Significantly, in an attempt to protect individual students' privacy, the court said that the schools must write a computer program that removes user names and passwords from the Internet History Log files before making the Web site lists available to Knight, which both sides agreed would be easy to do. In addition, the costs of the editing and the disk copying must be paid by Knight or any other person requesting the records, the court said. But "since the respondents have the capacity to produce the record in a manner that does not reveal confidential information," the judge said, the history log file "is not exempt" from the state's Right-to-Know law. Greg Kann, chairman of the Exeter Region Cooperative School Board, said in an interview that school board members would soon meet with their laywer and the superintendents to consider legal options. A decision on whether to appeal may be made as soon Friday, he said. Jon Meyer, a lawyer in Manchester, N.H., who has experience in education law and civil rights cases, said that the New Hampshire decision is the first he is aware of involving a parent's right to gain access to school Internet records. He predicted that if Judge Abramson's ruling is not overturned, anxious parents in other states might be emboldened to use local right-to-know laws to gain access to and review school Internet history log files to check on student online activity. Meyer also observed that one of the main issues in the Knight case was the balance between the values of privacy and disclosure. "It appears likely that the judge thought those issues could be reconciled" by editing out identifying personal information, he said. Knight, a master plumber whose four children had attended schools in the Exeter area two years ago before transferring to private schools, has been a vocal critic of the local school boards' decision not to require filtering or blocking software on school computers. Concerned that students were visiting pornographic or other inappropriate Web sites, he sought access to Internet history log files from 1998 -- the date when a majority of local students gained online access in schools -- to the present. The lever he used was the state's Right-to-Know law, which requires public documents to be disclosed on request. One of the key issues resolved by Judge Abramson's decision is whether history log files maintained by schools are "public records" under the disclosure law. School officials had argued in court papers that the files were private because students using school computers to access the Internet are not doing the official business of any public body. Rejecting this argument as "flawed," Judge Abramson said that students in schools are not using the computers for personal use "but as an integral part of the education curriculum." Thus the records of such official computer use must be deemed public, she asserted. In addition, she noted that New Hampshire law requires the school districts to adopt an appropriate acceptable use policy for the Internet. When the local schools implemented those policies, the history log files were created "pursuant to law" and therefore must be considered public documents, said the court. For his part, Knight, 44, said that he was "ecstatic" over the ruling. He said he hopes to review the school log files next week if possible. "My request was reasonable," he said. "How else can a parent critique or decide if a site is appropriate for students unless you can get access?" Knight also said that he had recently received e-mails from people in California, Utah, Colorado and Nevada who were interested in possibly filing their own lawsuits to get access to Internet history log files maintained by schools that do not offer filtering software. "They have the same concerns as I do," he said. One expert in education law who has been following the case was critical of the court's ruling. Julie Underwood, general counsel for the National School Boards Association, based in Alexandria, Va., said she was concerned that the New Hampshire school officials would release private information about students' online activities. "I don't think personally identifiable information in the Internet history log files can be easily redacted," she said. "You know, we have trained school districts not to release student files. And here they are forced to release information which they believe contains personally identifiable information on students." Underwood noted that at a technology and learning conference in Denver two weeks ago, representatives from school districts across the country expressed concern that they might soon come under pressure to release Internet student activity files. "Even if a school uses filtering software to block out some Web sites, the filtering software creates files, too, which may have to be released," she said. "That makes me nervous." Michael Sims, a computer programmer and critic of filtering software in schools and libraries, agreed that filtering software creates useful log files that record Web sites visited by students and Web sites that were requested but blocked. He said if Congress eventually passes a law requiring filtering software in schools and libraries, as seems likely, he would use state right-to-know laws to obtain the log files in an attempt to challenge the law and the validity of filter programs. "Absolutely, the precedent in New Hampshire will help us," he said. Two years ago Sims and other activists from The Censorware Project, through an administrative process, successfully gained access to Web site tracking information contained on school computers in Utah. The group wanted to see how often students at Utah schools, which employ blocking software, were denied access to what the group deemed to be worthwhile sites.

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CDR: Re:Greetings from ZOG-occupied Palestine
by auto9950013＠hushmail.com 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

We thought you knew it all Tim. You better lock and load Tim. ZOG (California chapter) lives and they are close. At 10:53 PM 11/10/00 , Tim May wrote: > >At 8:34 PM -0600 11/10/00, Phaedrus wrote: >>On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 auto9950013(a)hushmail.com wrote: >> >>> Tim May, the heavily armed hate monger who refers to ZOG, and , his extreme >>> right wing malitia friends have missed their chance. >>> Certainly the 400 of us needed killing before we influence the American >>> Presidential election. >> >>actually, since ballots were supposed to be postmarked two days ago, >>killing you now wouldn't help (even if I were for it, which I'm not, >>personally) unless something very bad were going on.... > >I'm not so sure...killing auto 9950013(a)hushmail.com may still be >useful. I think I know who george(a)orwellian.org is, based on text >comparisons. My guess is that both of them need to be tracked down >and killed. > >Allah will know his own. >

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CDR: SprintUs plan to use chips to track cell phones stirs privacy concerns
by An Metet 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

Some worry that information could get into the wrong hands By Nicole Harris THE WALL STREET JOURNAL J J Nov. 10 Q JSprint Corp.Us wireless division said it will put global-positioning-system chips in its cell phones to locate its users, stirring up hot-button privacy concerns that the popular consumer items could become homing devices. The national wireless carrier is making the move Q starting the middle of next year Q to fulfill a federal mandate that all wireless service providers be able to pinpoint the location of a wireless 911 call within 100 feet by October 2001. J J J J JTHE AIM IS to solve a problem that has frustrated cell-phone users and safety officials alike: There is no way to determine quickly the exact origin of a wireless 911 call. J J J JThursday marked the deadline for the nationUs carriers to report to the Federal Communications Commission just how they would meet the mandate. Cell-phone operators can opt to install tracking software in their wireless networks, have phones include a chip with GPS technology, or a combination of the two. In a filing with the FCC, Verizon Wireless, the nationUs largest carrier, said it planned to use a network-based solution to meet the mandate. J J J JOnce the cell-phone companies get the technology in place, a host of so-called location-based services are sure to follow. In fact, these offerings such as printed driving directions, or say, finding the closest Burger King, are at the center of the wireless industryUs next big hope: the wireless Internet. J J J JBut privacy advocates warn there are too many risks that the data could wind up in the wrong hands, as well as several unanswered questions regarding how consumers will be notified about the use of the information, and how carriers will collect and store the data. While the carriers say they will be the only ones with the ability to track calls, the concern is that the information could get into the wrong hands because the tracking device will be leaving a trail of electronic footprints. J J J JRThe thing that worries me is that your phone could become a tracking device,S said Kurt Wimmer, an attorney that follows privacy issues for the London offices of Covington & Burling. J J J JThat could be a particular concern for carriers that decide to go with a GPS-technology solution. That is because the FCC requires 67% of position-enabled handsets must be locatable to within 50 meters, or 55 yards, giving a more-exact location. Under controlled trial conditions earlier this year, Sprint was able to locate this percentage of test calls to less than 30 meters. J J J J Other experts are concerned about consumersU right to choose if they even want such location data to be generated. RThe consumer has to have some rights as to how the information is collected and how itUs used,S said David Sobel, general counsel for the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington. Mr. Sobel says he is preparing for a public session hosted by the Federal Trade Commission to be held in December on wireless location privacy issues. J J J JStill, Oliver Valente, Sprint PCSUs chief technology officer, insists the Westwood, Kan., company will do its part to protect the privacy of its customers. He said Sprint is exploring ways to allow users to turn the 911 location-tracking device off at the push of a button, a feature that privacy experts such as Mr. Wimmer applaud. J J J JRWe will make sure consumer information is protected,S said Mr. Valente, adding that phones with the new feature wonUt hit the market until the second half of next year. J J J JBut Sprint already is dreaming up ways to say, offer consumer coupons to a local Pizza Hut, if the customer is in the vicinity of a restaurant. But Mr. Valente says Sprint wonUt give up the consumerUs location information to a third party. RWe could deliver the offer without the third party ever knowing where the consumer was and it would be totally opt in on the consumersU part.S

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CDR: call forwarding trick in Las Vegas
by Michael Gilman 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

Hi, Interesting information, do you have additional info. regarding this issue? I have a friend that could be financially affected by this. How can I help him safeguard his system or discover if his system is currently being tampered with in this manner? Would appreciate any information you can provide me with regarding this issue. Sincerely, Michael Gilman

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CDR: Re: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
by George＠Orwellian.Org 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: # I sort of hope the hundreds of lawyers sent down to # Florida by the Gore Team succeed in throwing the # election to Gore. Yes, the closely recounted votes will turn to Gore. Gore will be president. White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: # I don't expect hordes in the countryside, but we could see some # the Welfare Mutants and Inner City Maggots rioting, looting, # and shitting in their own nests. Most of South-Central LA remains # boarded up and economically wasted, which I think is poetic # justice. Let the Democrat "maggots and faggots" deal with Jesse # Jackson's promised race war. You've been specially targeted. The superior mutants (any mutants) will be setting your place on fire, and pick you and your family off should you decide not to be human marshmellows. Your burnt/shotup corpse will be positioned as typing on a terminal, with a final and appropriately humble message typed on the screen. That's what uppity minorities like you deserve.

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10 Nov '00

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CDR: Re: Greetings from ZOG-occupied Palestine
by auto9950013＠hushmail.com 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

If you need to help anyone it should be Tim May and his anti Jewish malitia friends. They missed a lot of chances to completely exterminate us. But as you see, the 400 of us are now ready to take over the American government. At Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:24:51 -0600 (CST), Mac Norton <mnorton(a)cavern.uark.edu> wrote: > >If you could spell, or type, correctly, I'd have a little >more respect for your posts. There is not their. If >English is not your first language and you need some >off-line advice about homophones, I'll be glad to help. >MacN > >On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 auto9950013(a)hushmail.com wrote: > >> Tim May, the heavily armed hate monger who refers to ZOG, and , his >extreme >> right wing malitia friends have missed there chance. >> Certainly the 400 of us needed killing before we influence the American >> Presidential election. >> >> >> >> >> At 03:26 PM 11/10/00 , Tim May wrote: >> > >> >Now we hear of calls urging dual-citizenship residents of >> >ZOG-occupied Palestine to send in absentee ballots to Florida, >> >especially for the estimated 400 dual-citizenship, or visiting >> >tourists, from Palm Beach County. >> > >> >The claim is that if they can "prove" they were unable to have them >> >postmarked by the time polls closed in Florida, due to the violence >> >or whatever, that maybe they will still be allowed in. (And I >> >wouldn't put it past the ZOG to rig the postmarks and then put the >> >ballots on a fast jet to Florida.) >> > >

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