November 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

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13 Nov '00

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CDR: Republicans squash the FL manual recount!
by George＠Orwellian.Org 13 Nov '00

13 Nov '00

The Florida Secretary of State has just ruled that any recounts not completed by [sometime] tomorrow won't be certified. The Democrats should not give them any numbers for Palm Beach County while the recanvas continues. And of course, now the lawsuits fly.

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CDR: Re: Beware the Rants of May
by George＠Orwellian.Org 13 Nov '00

13 Nov '00

# ---guy Oops, now Tim will kill me. ---- Geigertronics wrote: # Pot, Kettle, Black Awwww, I'm picking on bully TimMay. Cry me a river.

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CDR: Patricia.Horotan@gs.com
by George＠Orwellian.Org 13 Nov '00

13 Nov '00

Check out the one-time animated bunny at: http://www.energizer.com ---guy

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CDR: Re: Beware the Rants of May
by George＠Orwellian.Org 13 Nov '00

13 Nov '00

I_Have_No_Name_At_ALL@Ether wrote: # Am I the only one delighting in the irony of someone # using the name Orwell having no better writing skills... Ah, start out with an ad hominem attack. Such writing skills. I_Have_No_Name_At_ALL@Ether wrote: # I merely point out that those who attack # Tim's dangerous thoughts are also attacking crypto. Gee, that makes no sense at all. Nor have I said to censor Tim. And it is Tim who would censor others ("needs killing"). It's also a pretty ironic claim, having just made a suggestion he get up off his ass and make a video game to illustrate his ideas. We've heard them endlessly. They have the worst problem of all: BORING. Oh look, there's Al Sharpton talking about evil whitey, whatcha going to do about it? Tim is a hermit with an Internet connection, who would pee in his pants just walking through a black neighborhood. At least he could make a video game to bring his ideas "to life". It's so pathetic to hear him talk tough while doing nothing. A White Supremacist coward, paralyzed with fear when he sees a Spanish language billboard. Coward: "That's when I knew it was time to move." Coward: burying his money in the ground in fear of a computer glitch of trivial proportions. Paranoid coward: "If the feds knock at the door, I'll have to decide quickly whether to blow them away or let them in." A pretend bully who is just a coward.

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CDR: Beware the Ides of May
by auto58194＠hushmail.com 13 Nov '00

13 Nov '00

Am I the only one delighting in the irony of someone using the name Orwell having no better writing skills than to rely on repetitive phrases in an attempt to brainwash us into thinking that Herr May is the enemy? I realize the traditional Internet way to deal with these fools is to ignore them, but perhaps pointing out the humorous side helps make this junk a bit easier to read. Or am I also the only one finding it difficult to believe that the Cypherpunks lists have been besieged by those attempting to make a case of state-sponsored censorship? Sure, Jody went away and eventually one can suspect that George will too, but does it matter that they go away when they're replaced by those with the same agenda? Cypherpunks don't write as much code as they used to (and hey, I still use LCM PRNG's because they're sufficient for my needs), but the lists also serve as an example of the Cypherpunk ideals regarding privacy, free speech, and anonymity. Not just technical discussions about how to achieve and protect these ideals, but discussions that show the need for them. Perhaps it has been realized that it's not the tools that are a danger to those in power, but the ideas that lead to a desire for them. It's always been easy to complain that law enforcement, politicians, and other state workers don't understand crypto, but one needs to consider that it's not crypto itself that's important, it's the ideas that need to be protected using crypto that are important. Sure, protecting the right of people to speak out against their unelected totalitarian government seems like a justifiable high-minded use of crypto compared to protecting the rights of a cranky neo-anarchist from California, but isn't the whole point supposed to be that it's not what's being protected that's important, just that it can be protected? Has Tim suddenly changed in some way to have recently become so dangerous that he must be attacked from the left to expose his evil right-wing thoughts? Or is this part of a campaign to demonstrate the danger inherent in the popular use of crypto by linking it to the dangerous thoughts of one man? What ideas will be declared dangerous next, and what people will be used to demonstrate that danger? I don't claim there's a conspiracy, I merely point out that those who attack Tim's dangerous thoughts are also attacking crypto. Whether it's an intentional organized activity or merely the knee-jerk responses of children hiding being "proper ideology", the result is the same. Jim Bell's dangerous ideas have resulted in his freedoms and property being confiscated, and no doubt there are those who would wish the same for Tim. To the spectators: beware Tim May and his dangerous ideas, because if his ideas are dangerous, so are yours. Here's to being dangerous.

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CDR: Tim May, White Supremacist
by George＠Orwellian.Org 13 Nov '00

13 Nov '00

Seriously, Tim, are you just going to continue to fart around here and in Usenet for another 10 years, or are you going to do something to propagate your views? I'd suggest a video game. There would be white trash (liked you), Jews, Blacks... Some specific personalities: Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton... For good measure, you should include yourself. The dialog should be variable, choices of politically correct, anti-semitic, anti-black ("Welfare mutants" -TimMay). Anti-Democratic, anti-Republican. Plugins for other countries. Choice of paintball or bloody death mode. You get the idea. Don't you want to profit from a game that allows you to shoot down Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton AND cause a free speech furor (heil!). Your current attempts ("<they> need killing") are pathetic.

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CDR: Re: Bush Florida lead dwindles toward zero...
by George＠Orwellian.Org 13 Nov '00

13 Nov '00

White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: # Vulis, you're the same commie fool # you were a a couple of years ago. Starting to stutter at the thought of Vulis, eh? My guess is he is the one persistently subscribing this list to Giganetstore, etc. Thus making this the TimMay and Vulis-spam list. White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: # Your kind has earned liquidation. When did all your thoughts turns from creating things to destroying things? White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: # The count of a sample of 1% of the votes took all of today, so the # count of 100 times as many total ballots will presumably take on the # order of 100 days. Gore wins. White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: # They analyzed the "chads" and counted 33 additional votes for Gore, # 14 for Bush. So this would imply about 19 additional votes for Gore # over Bush. Then, extrapolating to the full population, 1900 # additional votes for Gore over Bush (modulo statistical fluctuations). They said the number of errors warranted a recount. Yep. White Supremacist Tim "I'd like to see a race riot" May Moroned: # Of course, the Republicans will have to call for a manual recount of # Duval County and all of the other counties where the same statistical # examination should turn up votes for THEM. Apparently the request wasn't made within the required 72 hour period, so, Bush lost out there. Of course, recounts there wouldn't make much difference anyway: no fucked-up ballot. I think such recounts should be allowed even if they missed the 72-hour deadline. Live and let live.

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CDR: More news from Somalia:
by James A. Donald 13 Nov '00

13 Nov '00

-- From time to time newspaper articles appear on how well all is going for the newly formed Somali government, despite the fact that it has twice fled Somalia and does not seem to govern very much. It has now returned to Somalia for the third time. A recent news article announced the new Somalian government was recruiting to form an army. It failed to report that the main function of this army would be to make war on other Somalis, and that the general leading this army was assassinated a couple of days after recruitment began: I predicted that the new government would become yet another warlord. This process seems well under way. A fan of the new government and of governments in general (marqaan(a)my-deja.com) reports the situation as follows: > If the cowards who murdered general Talan thought they could > de-stabilize the newly formed transitional government, they made a > big mistake, it will be even a bigger and more tragic mistake if > this murder was orchestrated by elements from the Somaliland, > because this will surely cause the Gadabuursi clan of the Awdal > region to question their status within the Somaliland administration > and seek revenge (and righfully and justly so)against a high ranking > member of the Isaq clan within the Somaliland administration. > > The new administration in the south is talking about finding and > bringing into justice those who were behind the killing of Gen. > Talan, this is nice and beautifull, but we all know that the only > kind of justice that works in Somalia is "Revenge", any politician > or influential member belonging to the clan or clans who were behind > this act must now watch their backs, sooner or later they will have > to pay for the crimes of their folk, the Somali way. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG UzG9mQ/rq7yY1+Pz5TeVvVLDZtSmQGX2jGKvp8Ex 42N0ZphAAHCnvrqUABiEDRUiw2lqlva8MhDRP5cGj

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CDR: Re: Bush Florida lead dwindles toward zero...
by auto9950013＠hushmail.com 13 Nov '00

13 Nov '00

Getting a little testy are we Tim? Perhaps Mac needs to be hunted down and killed. >At 10:19 PM -0600 11/12/00, Mac Norton wrote: >>Tim, that's just stupid. >>MacN > >And I don't need your prissy comments about my choice of words. > > >--Tim May > > > >> >>On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Tim May wrote: >>> >Live and let live. >>> >>> >>> Fuck that. >>> >>> >>> --Tim May > >-- >At 10:19 PM -0600 11/12/00, Mac Norton wrote: >>Tim, that's just stupid. >>MacN > >And I don't need your prissy comments about my choice of words. > > >--Tim May > > > >> >>On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Tim May wrote: >>> >Live and let live. >>> >>> >>> Fuck that. >>> >>> >>> --Tim May >

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