November 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: Giving the Devil the Benefit of Law (was: RE: Jim Bell arrested d ocuments online)
by Trei, Peter 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

I really find AP depressing. I find the arguments that it would only be used against 'those that needed killing' faulty, in that everyone has a different list. There are a lot of folk who would put crypto anarchists on their list (as well as, say, Major League Baseball umpires :-). "Law", and 'legal systems', when they operate correctly, do provide a brake on unpredictable and arbitrary violence. There is no question that they can be, and are, severely misused by the rich and powerful to their own ends. But not all the time, and not in all cases. Reading this thread makes me remember on of my favorite dramatic scenes: >From "A Man for all Seasons" by Robert Bolt. Sir Thomas More, a lawyer. Alice: His wife. Margaret: His daughter. Roper: His son-in-law. They are discussing a man whom they regard as suspicious: Margaret: "Father, the man is bad." More: "There's no law against that." Roper: "There is a law against it. God's law." More: "Then God can arrest him." Roper: "Sophistication upon sophistication!" More: "No. Sheer simplicity. The law, Roper, the law. I know what's legal, but I don't always know what's right. And I'm sticking with what's legal. Roper: "Then you set man's law against God's?" More: "No. Far below. But let me draw your attention to a fact. I am not God. The currents and eddies of right and wrong, which you find such plain sailing, I can't navigate. I'm no voyager. But in the thickets of the law, there I am a forester. I doubt if there's a man alive who could follow me there, thank God." Alice: "While you talk, he is gone." More: "And go he should, if he was the Devil himself, until he broke the law." Roper: "So now you'd give the Devil the benefit of law!" More: "Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get to the Devil?" Roper: "I'd cut down every law in England to do that!" More: "Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you -- where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat. This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast -- man's laws, not God's -- and if you cut them down -- and you're just the man to do it -- do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of the law, for my own safety's sake." ------------------- There are too many Ropers on this list. Peter

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CDR: [Fwd: CyberPatrol - poor credit card protection (fwd)]
by sunder 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

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CDR: Re: Jim Bell arrested documents online
by No User 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

Ken Brown wrote: > Fewer cops get killed that way - 17 in the last 35 years I think. The > USA can lose that many in a bad summer. In a good summer they lose a lot more.

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CDR: More WOMD madness in Washington, DC
by Declan McCullagh 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

Advisory Panel to Assess Preparedness for Incidents Involving Weapons of Mass +Destruction (Terrorism Panel) Seventh meeting to finalize its second annual report due December 14 on key components of a domestic terrorism strategy, November 27-28. Location: RAND Headquarters, 1200 South Hayes St., Arlington, VA. 1 p.m. Contact: Mike Wermuth, 703-413-1100, +http://www.rand.org/organization/nsrd/terrpanel, or Mark Miner, 804-692-3110, http://www.thedigitaldominium.com

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27 Nov '00

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CDR: Os jogos que a sua Dreamcast vai querer este Natal
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27 Nov '00

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CDR: Jim Bell arrested, documents online
by Declan McCullagh 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

Check out the affidavit/complaint at: http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/11/21/1944238 Background documents: http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/11/11/101218 Wired News article on arrest: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,40300,00.html -Declan

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CDR: CryptAcquireContext
by dennis.lazreg＠telenor.com 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

Hi I need some help - I am using CryptAcquireContext and I get an error 80090016 What can I do to get around this problem ? Dennis

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CDR: powerline
by Ahmad Saufi 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

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by Oral Ellis 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

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