October 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: Re: stego for the censored
by Michael Motyka 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

> Bill Stewart wrote: > > > > At 04:30 PM 10/6/00 -0700, Tim May wrote: > > >In places where crypto is illegal, this approach would also likely be > > illegal. > > ... > > >BTW, the issue is a lot more than just "plausible deniability." This > > >may work in the U.S., until the Constitution is further shredded. But > > >"plausibility deniability" is not enough when dealing with the > > >Staasi, or SAVAK, or Shin Bet, or the Ayotollahs. Mere suspicion is > > >enough. > > > > The point is that each message doesn't have decryptable cyphertext. > > It only has a secret-share that no recipient can decode > > until they have enough shares of the same message, > > even if the KGB rubber-hoses them, and the KGB cryptanalysts > > won't be able to find anything more than random noise in the message > > because with <K shares, that's all you can get. > > Now random noise may also be suspicious, but it's less suspicious > > than something that's got more structure to it. > > Even if they do suspect the recipient and seize his computer, > > they'll only get old messages, not the new partially-received ones. > > Not good enough, I'm afraid. As Tim said, if the authorities in an > authoritarian regime _suspect_ secrets are being passed they have > "probable cause" to break out the jumper cables. Unless the holder of an > incomplete secret is willing to spill his guts literally rather than > figuratively, his group doesn't benefit from a secret which can be > detected but not read. > > -- > Steve Furlong, Computer Condottiere Have GNU, will travel > These regimes are likely to suspect conspiracies whether or not they are actually occurring. Look at our McCarthy era. Assume the jumper cables will be applied whether there are secret messages or not. If you want to actually communicate then you have to risk SOMETHING. Scatter-gather is just a mechanism to handle arbitrary sizes of messages and add some potential cover traffic. It is no less safe than any single exchange of stego data. Possibly it is more safe since the data density in the carriers can be made very low and an observer cannot easily isolate a complete carrier set from the cover traffic. Mike

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09 Oct '00

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CDR: Re: Guys, I need help
by Vincent Williams 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

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[latency: 10/03/00 09:19:36 EDT] proxy6-fxp0.netspace.net.au port 8080 [latency: 10/03/00 04:13:52 EDT by jaca] 213.25.221.132 port 8080 [latency: 10/03/00 03:52:42 EDT by brunet] proxy.brunet.bn port 8080 [latency: 10/03/00 03:12:25 EDT by Rewter_is_ghey] shkmail.tonichi-kokusai-u.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 10/03/00 03:00:57 EDT by 2ndLtDarksoul] robot.imp.mx port 8080 [latency: 10/03/00 02:59:44 EDT by 2ndLtDarksoul] r1m102.cybercable.tm.fr port 8080 [latency: 10/03/00 02:59:17 EDT by 2ndLtDarksoul] proxy.suhuf.net.sa port 8080 [latency: 10/03/00 02:58:56 EDT by 2ndLtDarksoul] proxy.yaroslavl.ru port 8080 [latency: 10/03/00 02:55:23 EDT by So,Viet!] chaotic.wonderingraven.net port 1080 [latency: 10/02/00 21:26:07 EDT] 203.23.72.6 port 8080 [latency: 10/02/00 21:24:47 EDT by PhrackMan] teleserver2.pipemedia.net port 8080 [latency: 10/02/00 21:23:51 EDT by PhrackMan] dragons.dal.net port 8080 [latency: 10/02/00 19:42:09 EDT by poetic-killer] sunsite.icm.edu.pl port 8080 [latency: 10/02/00 17:58:56 EDT by 2ndLt.Darksoul] proxy.coqui.net port 8081 [latency: 10/02/00 17:57:42 EDT by 2ndLt.Darksoul] 203.26.230.254 port 3128 [latency: 10/02/00 17:56:30 EDT by 2ndLt.Darksoul] proxy.africaonline.co.zw port 8080 [latency: 10/02/00 17:54:30 EDT by 2ndLt.Darksoul] proxy.cybergate.co.zw port 8080 [latency: 10/02/00 17:54:09 EDT by 2ndLt.Darksoul] 194.162.75.23 port 1080 [latency: 10/02/00 17:53:17 EDT by 2ndLt.Darksoul] cache.global.co.za port 3128 [latency: 10/02/00 17:50:18 EDT by 2ndLt.Darksoul] 138.25.8.1 port 3128 [latency: 10/02/00 17:46:40 EDT by 2ndLt.Darksoul] 130.225.40.20 port 3128 [latency: 10/02/00 17:43:46 EDT by 2ndLt.darksoul] dns.som.com port 8080 [latency: 10/02/00 17:33:25 EDT by DaRK_CLuSTeR] inktomi.efortress.com port 8080 [latency: 10/02/00 17:31:04 EDT by 2ndLt.darksoul] proxy.magusnet.com port 8081 [latency: 10/02/00 17:28:21 EDT] proxy.spnet.net port 3128 [latency: 10/02/00 16:45:11 EDT] tornado.wp.prodigy.com port 8080 [latency: 10/02/00 14:41:11 EDT by RaYmAn^] 212.187.37.2 port 8080 [latency: 10/02/00 11:27:37 EDT by 8080] Linux.xitami.net port 1080 [latency: 10/02/00 03:30:31 EDT by Wizard] 206.99.218.240 port 8081 [latency: 10/01/00 23:51:24 EDT] gatekeeper.ci.slc.ut.us port 8080 [latency: 10/01/00 20:51:08 EDT] 210.154.59.162 port 1080 [latency: 10/01/00 19:39:48 EDT] dns.sunquest.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 10/01/00 18:39:29 EDT] 210.160.96.146 port 8080 [latency: 10/01/00 18:34:36 EDT] dfw2-wc1.atlas.icix.net port 8080 [latency: 10/01/00 16:39:50 EDT by me] sp-5.sto.telegate.se port 8000 [latency: 10/01/00 16:23:26 EDT by h.k] proxy.psc.co.jp port 8081 [latency: 10/01/00 15:51:55 EDT] jidar.capinfo.co.ma port 8080 [latency: 10/01/00 15:08:38 EDT by khalid] 195.6.197.1 port 8080 [latency: 10/01/00 14:20:47 EDT by frisp] bluerobin.mke.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 10/01/00 12:31:28 EDT] msv.jmsis.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 10/01/00 12:29:13 EDT] ns.mobtel.com port 1080 [latency: 10/01/00 08:57:06 EDT by ChainReactor] 207.65.46.21 port 3128 [latency: 10/01/00 08:36:52 EDT by gOdFeLLa] 212.42.224.133 port 3128 [latency: 10/01/00 04:14:37 EDT] firewall.unicom-am.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 10/01/00 01:44:11 EDT by Rey] 208.160.62.30 port 8080 [latency: 09/30/00 19:40:26 EDT by Unknown3d] 195.199.69.193 port 1080 [latency: 09/30/00 19:39:52 EDT by Unknown3d] 210.228.160.20 port 8080 [latency: 09/30/00 19:39:28 EDT by Unknown3d] 64.19.3.2 port 1080 [latency: 09/30/00 17:38:12 EDT] 209.187.13.18 port 1080 [latency: 09/30/00 16:39:43 EDT by |^ZigFred^|] edtn016755.hs.telusplanet.net port 8080 [latency: 09/30/00 11:28:56 EDT by captainVeGa] proxy.planetinternet.be port 8080 [latency: 09/30/00 11:12:07 EDT by skorpio00] proxy.aon.at port 8080 [latency: 09/30/00 11:01:50 EDT by sascha] 210.161.234.195 port 8080 [latency: 09/30/00 10:44:22 EDT] ns0.syscre.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/30/00 10:43:06 EDT] solomon.stic.net port 8080 [latency: 09/30/00 05:08:36 EDT by moo] inh1ts20-qfe0.ims.bt.net port 8080 [latency: 09/30/00 00:10:19 EDT by RaYmAn^] cnclaaasrv.council.net port 1080 [latency: 09/30/00 00:09:51 EDT by RaYmAn^] 200.255.198.247 port 8000 [latency: 09/30/00 00:08:26 EDT by RaYmAn^] dfw2-wc1.atlas.icix.net port 8080 [latency: 09/30/00 00:07:50 EDT by RaYmAn^] isu-cache2.isu.edu port 3128 [latency: 09/30/00 00:07:29 EDT by RaYmAn^] bess-proxy1.ousd.k12.ca.us port 8080 [latency: 09/30/00 00:06:48 EDT by RaYmAn^] proxy.rdc1.ab.home.com port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 20:39:35 EDT] proxy.telepac.pt port 8081 [latency: 09/29/00 20:25:29 EDT] proxy7-fxp0.netspace.net.au port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 18:51:35 EDT] 199.44.53.3 port 8081 [latency: 09/29/00 18:21:36 EDT by aBNoRMaLLy] 210.154.59.162 port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 17:43:17 EDT by bibanu] wonderingraven.net port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 16:40:31 EDT by Rewter] chaotic.wonderingraven.net port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 16:39:00 EDT by Rewter] proxy.lcnet.it port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 15:17:52 EDT] 194.65.38.131 port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 09:31:52 EDT] proxy.brunet.bn port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 08:31:38 EDT] 195.211.211.37 port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:27:13 EDT by inTERbairros] svcmp12.holoson.co.jp port 3128 [latency: 09/29/00 05:21:11 EDT by inTERbairros] bertie.shiga-med.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:17:05 EDT by inTERbairros] dns.sunquest.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:15:53 EDT by inTERbairros] bluerobin.mke.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:14:51 EDT by inTERbairros] bata.cc.titech.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:14:32 EDT by inTERbairros] 210.161.234.195 port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:14:19 EDT by inTERbairros] pi.adelphia.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:11:54 EDT by inTERbairros] kiku.asahi-u.ac.jp port 10080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:10:35 EDT by inTERbairros] 196.3.167.135 port 3128 [latency: 09/29/00 05:10:15 EDT by inTERbairros] zeus.doruk.net.tr port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:09:30 EDT by inTERbairros] krunk1.xmission.com port 8000 [latency: 09/29/00 04:57:17 EDT by inTERbairros] ns0.apecs.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:06:11 EDT by inTERbairros] ns.rcedu.kyushu-u.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:05:59 EDT by inTERbairros] gate-omega.pbc.adelphia.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:02:41 EDT by inTERbairros] speth08.wu-wien.ac.at port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:59:21 EDT by inTERbairros] sfk-nga.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:59:09 EDT by inTERbairros] ns.relaim.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:58:57 EDT by inTERbairros] 210.145.163.18 port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:57:00 EDT by inTERbairros] mail.condor.de port 3128 [latency: 09/29/00 04:55:11 EDT by inTERbairros] infosun-fd.rus.uni-stuttgart.de port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:54:55 EDT by inTERbairros] front3.cpl.org port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:49:54 EDT by inTERbairros] ns.kss.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:41:09 EDT by inTERbairros] 194.133.122.44 port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:40:01 EDT by inTERbairros] svc.nues.k12.ut.us port 8001 [latency: 09/29/00 04:39:06 EDT by inTERbairros] elpxy01.ce.mediaone.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:38:19 EDT by inTERbairros] elpxy02.ce.mediaone.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:37:51 EDT by inTERbairros] bcom.jtnet.ad.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:33:46 EDT by inTERbairros] ns0.syscre.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:32:12 EDT by inTERbairros] qt-ce.singnet.com.sg port 8001 [latency: 09/29/00 04:25:23 EDT by inTERbairros] bryant2-ha.bryant.edu port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:22:02 EDT by inTERbairros] misawa01.misawa.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:16:03 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.ebisu.ad.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:12:49 EDT by inTERbairros] firewall.unicom-am.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:09:38 EDT by inTERbairros] cache.ican.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:09:06 EDT by inTERbairros] mercury.lngs.infn.it port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:08:23 EDT by inTERbairros] 210.160.40.6 port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:06:01 EDT by inTERbairros] 203.244.128.55 port 8081 [latency: 09/29/00 04:00:38 EDT by inTERbairros] ns1.mitsubishi-seibi.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:59:43 EDT by inTERbairros] solaris.dvz.fh-aachen.de port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:49:29 EDT by inTERbairros] ns1.bryant.edu port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:47:59 EDT by inTERbairros] ars2.arsnet.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:45:54 EDT by inTERbairros] hickory.fernuni-hagen.de port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:44:12 EDT by inTERbairros] teleserver2.pipemedia.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:40:18 EDT by inTERbairros] sunsite.icm.edu.pl port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:39:22 EDT by inTERbairros] robin2.ise.chuo-u.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:37:35 EDT by inTERbairros] risk0a.ris.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:37:23 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy-fuessen.online-service.de port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:36:23 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.lcnet.it port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:35:34 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.idn.co.th port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:35:05 EDT by inTERbairros] mail1.epdc.co.jp port 8081 [latency: 09/29/00 03:31:00 EDT by inTERbairros] ndpxy01.ne.mediaone.net port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:33:04 EDT by inTERbairros] meteora.amadagp.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:31:45 EDT by inTERbairros] kinka.gifu-kyoiku.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:29:55 EDT by inTERbairros] hitp-gw.hitp.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:25:14 EDT by inTERbairros] hal.calc.k12.la.us port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:24:19 EDT by inTERbairros] gatekeeper.ci.slc.ut.us port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:24:03 EDT by inTERbairros] fw.yoshida-g.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:23:05 EDT by inTERbairros] dns.jicnet.or.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:22:34 EDT by inTERbairros] kinka.ha.shotoku.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:19:57 EDT by inTERbairros] ose.numazu-ct.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:16:00 EDT by inTERbairros] gemini.chall.ne.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:15:46 EDT by inTERbairros] nexus-1.flash.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:15:24 EDT by inTERbairros] squid.mutugoro.or.jp port 3128 [latency: 09/29/00 03:08:42 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.cslouis-hemon.qc.ca port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:08:29 EDT by inTERbairros] msv.jmsis.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:08:13 EDT by inTERbairros] lilac1.hmjc.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:05:48 EDT by inTERbairros] 157.193.40.5 port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:02:32 EDT by inTERbairros] gossamer.ksu.ksu.edu port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:00:40 EDT by inTERbairros] abchost.abc.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:57:02 EDT by inTERbairros] linux.kcg.gov.tw port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:55:14 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.pipemedia.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:53:43 EDT by inTERbairros] gatekeeper.nissuicon.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:49:02 EDT by inTERbairros] dufay.nichigai.co.jp port 8000 [latency: 09/29/00 02:48:32 EDT by inTERbairros] webcache.dial.pipex.com port 3128 [latency: 09/29/00 02:44:26 EDT by inTERbairros] tokyo01.nemic.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:42:16 EDT by inTERbairros] tinfo1.space.ad.jp port 8000 [latency: 09/29/00 02:41:35 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.taegu.ac.kr port 8081 [latency: 09/29/00 02:37:27 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.psc.co.jp port 8081 [latency: 09/29/00 02:36:45 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.mcmail.com port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:35:25 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.iprolink.ch port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:34:07 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.internord.dk port 3128 [latency: 09/29/00 02:33:54 EDT by inTERbairros] panoramix.accessnet.es port 8000 [latency: 09/29/00 02:32:42 EDT by inTERbairros] nebura2.tech.nebuta.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:28:39 EDT by inTERbairros] charlotte.it.wsu.edu port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:24:20 EDT by inTERbairros] dcs.dexter.k12.mi.us port 3128 [latency: 09/29/00 02:22:17 EDT by inTERbairros] gatekeeper.shimane-med.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:17:55 EDT by inTERbairros] bme.ahs.kitasato-u.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:16:55 EDT by inTERbairros] alpha.barentsnett.no port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:15:49 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.canaan.co.il port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:14:06 EDT by inTERbairros] 165.21.83.136 port 8001 [latency: 09/29/00 02:12:50 EDT by inTERbairros] localmachine.mob.ntc.co.jp port 8081 [latency: 09/29/00 02:06:10 EDT by inTERbairros] 24-216-136-15.hsacorp.net port 8081 [latency: 09/29/00 02:01:25 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.imp.ch port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 01:50:41 EDT by inTERbairros] inktomi.efortress.com port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 01:49:09 EDT by o666z] dfw2-wc1.atlas.digex.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 01:46:36 EDT by inTERbairros] willia10.lnk.telstra.net port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 01:44:02 EDT by inTERbairros] 195.211.211.37 port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 01:40:05 EDT by inTERbairros] andromaca.polito.it port 8080 [latency: 09/28/00 14:20:00 EDT by kiru] proxy.codec.ro port 8080 [latency: 09/28/00 13:30:19 EDT] cache-utr2.casema.net port 3128 [latency: 09/28/00 13:22:59 EDT] proxy.netangola.com port 8080 [latency: 09/28/00 13:22:00 EDT] proxy.nownuri.net port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 23:06:48 EDT by Biarticulado] 195.24.110.15 port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 22:22:13 EDT by Charles] proxy3-fxp0.netspace.net.au port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 20:05:00 EDT by inTERbairros] isu-cache1.isu.edu port 3128 [latency: 09/27/00 20:03:34 EDT by inTERbairros] bess-proxy.integrityonline15.com port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 20:02:22 EDT by inTERbairros] bess-proxy.inficad.com port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 20:01:27 EDT by inTERbairros] jatoronto.org port 1080 [latency: 09/27/00 19:59:47 EDT by inTERbairros] 203.23.72.6 port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 14:11:43 EDT by legsee] 165.117.55.216 port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 14:08:08 EDT by legsee] proxy.telepac.pt port 8081 [latency: 09/27/00 08:54:42 EDT by DJKA0S] proxy.rinet.ru port 3128 [latency: 09/27/00 08:50:53 EDT by DJKA0S] ipshome.mightycard.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 06:24:27 EDT] spider.claritas.com port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 05:59:33 EDT by gOdFeLLa] inh1ts09-qfe0.ims.bt.net port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 05:57:16 EDT by gOdFeLLa] inetserv.fh-wuerzburg.de port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 05:51:26 EDT by gOdFeLLa] solomon.stic.net port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 05:49:31 EDT by gOdFeLLa] 210.154.59.162 port 1080 [latency: 09/27/00 05:44:08 EDT by gOdFeLLa] 210.146.35.196 port 10080 [latency: 09/27/00 02:47:37 EDT] 209.187.13.18 port 1080 [latency: 09/27/00 02:05:12 EDT by hatOFF] 24.200.145.150 port 1080 [latency: 09/27/00 02:04:02 EDT by hatOFF] 216.36.24.225 port 1080 [latency: 09/27/00 02:03:42 EDT by hatOFF] 213.46.1.77 port 1080 [latency: 09/27/00 02:03:22 EDT by hatOFF] proxy.hpisd.org port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 23:55:06 EDT] 194.65.79.31 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:26:34 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.71.10 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:25:24 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.66.66 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:24:45 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.66.3 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:24:13 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.62.74 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:22:50 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.52.252 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:22:24 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.52.31 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:21:49 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.45.17 port 1080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:18:31 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.38.131 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:17:07 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.15.41 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:04:16 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.14.69 port 8081 [latency: 09/26/00 21:02:55 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.14.68 port 8081 [latency: 09/26/00 21:02:23 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.14.67 port 8081 [latency: 09/26/00 20:42:42 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.3.170 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 20:34:39 EDT by DJKA0S] proxy.netangola.com port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 20:19:11 EDT by DJKA0S] proxy2.telecom.com.co port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 18:27:09 EDT by DaRKneSS] proxy.spaceproxy.com port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 16:53:27 EDT] hail.pipex.net port 3128 [latency: 09/26/00 16:46:23 EDT] proxy.kn.bia-bg.com port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 15:46:33 EDT] cf1.lnoca.org port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 15:46:00 EDT] proxy.cityline.ru port 3128 [latency: 09/26/00 08:03:36 EDT by hieu] 64.19.3.2 port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 23:04:34 EDT by NNastty] willia10.lnk.telstra.net port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 22:39:39 EDT by NNastty] dns.hokuto.ed.jp port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 22:36:54 EDT by NNastty] xmaspt.lnk.telstra.net port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 22:34:55 EDT by NNastty] 195.94.0.36 port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 22:33:29 EDT by NNastty] 210.229.194.18 port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 22:30:43 EDT by NNastty] 194.245.99.30 port 3128 [latency: 09/25/00 13:33:09 EDT by CraigTM] 24.200.24.151 port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 09:32:25 EDT by NNastty] droopy.allnet.fr port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 09:26:05 EDT by NNastty] rochcache1.roch.uswest.net port 8080 [latency: 09/25/00 08:10:55 EDT by gOdFeLLa] squid.acib.com.br port 3128 [latency: 09/25/00 01:58:36 EDT] 207.211.58.248 port 8080 [latency: 09/24/00 18:51:50 EDT by cyberboy] cache-utr2.casema.net port 3128 [latency: 09/24/00 16:21:12 EDT by alfred] pr1-ts.telepac.pt port 8081 [latency: 09/24/00 16:19:20 EDT by morgan] proxy.iloilo.fapenet.org port 3128 [latency: 09/24/00 16:16:37 EDT by morgan] 202.149.251.5 port 8080 [latency: 09/24/00 13:23:53 EDT by BudiLewiyanto] proxy.free.fr port 3128 [latency: 09/24/00 05:46:12 EDT] mail.mastec-ei-ga.com port 1080 [latency: 09/24/00 04:47:43 EDT by hacker] manwebproxy.nola.navy.mil port 1080 [latency: 09/23/00 22:41:08 EDT by Rewter] enterprise.hale.wa.edu.au port 8080 [latency: 09/23/00 17:20:53 EDT by Boggie] proxy.spaceproxy.com port 8080 [latency: 09/23/00 13:58:34 EDT] proxy.yzu.edu.tw port 8080 [latency: 09/23/00 12:05:03 EDT] proxy.nefonline.de port 8080 [latency: 09/23/00 09:10:01 EDT by basketci_] 195.24.55.245 port 1080 [latency: 09/23/00 05:59:49 EDT by MARIAN17] 216.234.161.83 port 8080 [latency: 09/23/00 05:58:58 EDT by MARIAN17] channels.undernet.org port 8080 [latency: 09/23/00 03:53:03 EDT by aerOwave] 216.77.56.106 port 1080 [latency: 09/22/00 18:16:28 EDT by voo] eu.xnet.org port 8080 [latency: 09/22/00 14:30:37 EDT] 206.131.118.240 port 8080 [latency: 09/22/00 13:42:29 EDT] server.ucatolica.edu.co port 3128 [latency: 09/22/00 06:08:57 EDT] proxy.sat.net.pk port 8080 [latency: 09/21/00 03:57:41 EDT] proxy.netwave.or.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/20/00 19:22:30 EDT] proxy.qatar.net.qa port 8080 [latency: 09/20/00 18:56:49 EDT] solomon.stic.net port 8080 [latency: 09/20/00 18:49:57 EDT] proxy.x-treme.gr port 3128 [latency: 09/20/00 14:52:05 EDT by PearlJam] proxy.netsys.it port 8080 [latency: 09/20/00 10:59:45 EDT by pevio] 194.20.0.13 port 8080 [latency: 09/20/00 01:37:35 EDT] 202.54.31.1 port 8081 [latency: 09/19/00 22:02:31 EDT] pax02f.mipool.uni-jena.de port 3128 [latency: 03/28/00 20:41:38 EST by FreddyG.] cache1.cc.interlog.com port 3128 [latency: 02/13/00 17:43:45 EST] master-proxy.europeonline.net port 8081 [latency: 02/13/00 17:29:21 EST by FreddyG.] mail.bsn.or.id port 1080 [latency: 02/13/00 12:35:50 EST by FreddyG.] proxy.nefonline.de port 8080 [latency: 02/13/00 01:41:09 EST] c111.h202052116.is.net.tw port 1080 [latency: 02/12/00 14:52:20 EST by FreddyG.] billymchales.com port 8080 [latency: 02/12/00 13:58:12 EST by FreddyG.] overloaded.org port 8000 [latency: 02/12/00 13:46:58 EST by FreddyG.] irc.gammaforce.org port 8080 [latency: 02/12/00 13:45:46 EST by FreddyG.] netstar.nwarks-hinckley.ac.uk port 8080 [latency: 02/12/00 13:20:21 EST by FreddyG.] webcacheW10b.cache.pol.co.uk port 8080 [latency: 02/12/00 12:26:08 EST by FreddyG.] cr277137-a.nmkt1.on.wave.home.com port 8080 [latency: 02/12/00 12:01:40 EST by FreddyG.] proxyserv.citra-abadi.co.id port 1080 [latency: 02/12/00 00:50:06 EST] atlas1.gateway.com port 8080 [latency: 02/11/00 15:52:10 EST by KoRn_Klown�] proxy.p-ol.com port 3128 [latency: 01/07/00 00:38:11 EST by GuMyBaRe] ftp.yvrls.lib.wa.us port 3128 [latency: 12/12/99 16:11:37 EST] apache.com port port 80 [latency: 12/10/99 16:53:39 EST] i.am.31337.nu port port 31337 [latency: 12/10/99 16:51:21 EST] 138.25.8.9 port 80 [latency: 12/10/99 16:48:36 EST by lubna] 203.23.72.6 port 8080 [latency: 12/10/99 16:46:54 EST by lubna] proxy.spnet.net port 3128 [latency: 12/10/99 09:17:42 EST by Sliver] ns.infnet.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 12/09/99 23:39:59 EST by AiseJuK] 212.43.196.10 port 8080 [latency: 12/09/99 17:44:25 EST by THE STORMDRINKER] proxy3.brunet.bn port 8080 [latency: 12/09/99 17:36:40 EST by THE STORMDRINKER] 202.160.12.35 port 8080 [latency: 12/09/99 17:32:40 EST by THE STORMDRINKER] ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup

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by steve lan 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

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CDR: Internet bearer cryptography patent trusts (was Re: Chaumian cash redux)
by R. A. Hettinga 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

This idea below of a "patent pool" is similar to the bearer cryptography patent trust idea I was kicking around with a couple of investment bankers here in Boston a few years ago... It seems that these guys were sitting on a public shell, and were noticing that both Millicent and DigiCash were both up for sale at the time, and were trying, like every one does, :-), to figure how to make money with them. I suggested that, while the code for Millicent at least might be valuable, that the patents were the most valuable thing about *either* of those businesses. I talked to these gentlemen about the model I had for internet bearer underwriting and how it could pay royalties right off the top to certain global holders of patents like blind signatures, allowing their use even for open source software, and that it might be possible to create something like a publicly held trust to hold those kinds of patents. Just like if someone like when Warren Buffet buys a company, the patent holders would get a liquid publicly traded asset, and the trust would collect royalties as revenues of the corporation, and the stock would go up accordingly. :-). Don't know if it would work, though, and not just for purely financial reasons, either. It seems to me at the outset that unless Chaum has a way to completely kill the usefulness of the blind signature patent and replace it with something better -- and to withstand the inevitable charge from Ecash Technologies that he knew about it at the time of the DigiCash liquidation, which would be a pretty serious legal cat-fight whether the charge were true or not -- that Ecash Technologies has enough funding from Deutchebank and others to make it a long time before the original Chaumian patent portfolio will be on the market again, if ever. The patents expire, speaking of such things, in 2007, after all. Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text

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CDR: Just Imagine...
by apoio＠giganetstore.com 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

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CDR: CDA - cypherpunks distributed archive
by Ralph Seberry 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

We offer: reformatted cypherpunks archives at http://www.lanesbry.com/cypherpunks/ some time ago it was noted that the ftp links from the CDA (cypherpunks archives 92-early 94) at http://www.lanesbry.com/cypherpunks/ were unreliable (at least under lynx). ftp access via ftp://ftp.lanesbry.com/pub/cypherpunks was confirmed as a workaround. I've (belatedly?) changed this to use http file links. (and added a robots.txt file to suggest that search engines not index the whole text.) Please advise any problems with this update. [Links to this archive should not need to change.] thanks, Ralph

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CDR: Guys, I need help
by M. Emad Ul Hasan 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

Your anonymizer.com is blocked in Saudi Arabia via proxy. Can you tell me a way I can see this site

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CDR: Austin Cypherpunks: 10-9-00 Physical Meeting
by Jim Choate 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

HEB Central Market Cafe 38th and N. Lamar 7-9pm. http://einstein.ssz.com/cdr/index.html Look for the red covered 'Applied Cryptography' book to identify the table. We normaly meet outside unless the weather is bad. We are expecting continued cool and rainy so we'll likely meet under the outside covered area. Please see the homepage URL for information on joining the mailing lists. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: Re: Disposable remailers
by despot 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

It is interesting to note the two sides of the same coin...mix protocols in theory vs the realities of implementation on these devices. On Sat, 7 Oct 2000, Sean Roach wrote: > If the net is sufficiently large, then the remailers can be considered to > be registers, each holding one message for a random length of time, and > allow reordering just by that alone. Of course, for this to work, traffic > analysis has to be defeated in another way. Probably in ZKS's planned, but > last I checked, not implemented, constant activity among nodes. This scheme is extremely open to attack, especially when you take into account that many of the nodes will be hostile. Even if the underlying mix protocol were robust enough to protect the sender over hostile nodes, traffic analysis, as you mentioned, is a major weakness (for example, messages could be traced throught the network). The idea and papers brought forth in David's post might be of use here. Instead of passing one message at a time through nodes, a list of messages could filter through the nodes. But, those damned memory constraints... > Of course, the more traffic, the easier it will be for the intranets where > these things are set up to locate them, and take them down. If the devices' communication piggy-backed on common protocols like http, it would be easier to mask, especially in high traffic areas. But, the communication would need to permuted in some way that a generic pattern match would not detect it. Otherwise, IDS vendors and the like will add rules to detect such traffic. > The nodes ping each other on a regular basis, if a node fails to respond to > a ping, that node is written off. Perhaps the next general cover traffic > includes information that such-n-such node appears to be compromised. If a > node receives NO pings, then it might also write itself off, and blank memory. Who do you trust becomes an issue if nodes pass information around. > Or did you mean in addition to disposible remailers, instead of ways to > hide, distribute them? I meant in addition to, but that is an interesting distribution scheme. As the world becomes more and more connected and devices get smaller and more powerful, the opportunity to plant and exploit rogue, networked modules becomes far greater. A person could have a great deal of fun with this stuff. The government already does. -andrew

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