October 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: RE: STAINLESS STEEL PIPES & TUBES FOR FERTILIZER INDUSTRIES
by Oellermann, A. (Adam) 10 Oct '00

10 Oct '00

Hey, this is one to remember for all the guys who want to make pipe bombs. Cheers Adam > -----Original Message----- > From: Suraj [SMTP:surajs@ad1.vsnl.net.in] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:05 PM > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: STAINLESS STEEL PIPES & TUBES FOR FERTILIZER INDUSTRIES > > STAINLESS STEEL PIPES & TUBES FOR FERTILIZER INDUSTRIES > > Kind Attn : Manager- Procurement / Purchase / Buyers Department > > Dear Sir, > > We are leading Producers/Manufacturers / Exporters of STAINLESS STEEL > PIPE / TUBE SEAMLESS/ WELDED,having our works near Ahmedabad-in INDIA. > > Our Size range 6mm OD to 168.3 mm OD, > Thickness 0.5mm to 6.00mm , > Grades AISI ,304 ,304L ,310 ,316 ,316L , 316TI , 321 and > Mfg.standards ASTM / ASME A-213,A312, A-249 ,A-268,A-269, > A-270,A-688, > A-554. > > Also We can supply Under DIN specification. > > We have facility to supply in extra long lengths upto 18 meters, U Bending > according to buyer's drawing can be done, Our Plant is Approved by All > National / International Inspection Agency & we can supply Under > Customers/ Third party Inspection Agency. > > We have specialisation in Tubings for equipments like Heat Exchangers, > Heating Elements, Surface condensers,Evaporators, Digestors, > instrumentation and Fluid Pipings. > > If you have any requirement of stainless steel Pipes/Tubes, Please send > detailed enquiry with Your Company name and Address. > > For more information please visit our Website > <http://www.surajgroup.com> > please send your inquiries by E-mail surajs(a)ad1.vsnl.net.in > <mailto:surajs@ad1.vsnl.net.in> or Fax - 91- 79- 7437277 > > > Thank you, > > ASHOK SHAH - DIRECTOR > > SURAJ STAINLESS LIMITED > AN ISO 9002 COMPANY > 6th Floor, Kalpana Complex,Nr.Memnagar Fire Station, > Navrangpura, Ahmedabad Gujarat 380009 INDIA > Phone 0091-79-7411050 -51 -52 FAX 91-79-7437277 > E-mail. surajs(a)ad1.vsnl.net.in <mailto:surajs@ad1.vsnl.net.in> > <http://www.surajgroup.com> > > ( MANUFACTURER & EXPORTER OF STAINLESS STEEL PIPES,TUBES & "U" TUBES > SEAMLESS/WELDED )

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CDR: PALM USER: Get QUICKSHEET for only $24.95!
by Cutting Edge Software 10 Oct '00

10 Oct '00

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CDR: ip: Congress on verge of approving warrantless secret searches [Free Republic]]
by R. A. Hettinga 10 Oct '00

10 Oct '00

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CDR: RE: Musings on AES and DES
by Trei, Peter 10 Oct '00

10 Oct '00

> ---------- > From: Vin McLellan[SMTP:vin@shore.net] > Reply To: Vin McLellan > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 3:22 AM > To: Ray Dillinger; cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Re: Musings on AES and DES > > Ray Dillinger <bear(a)sonic.net> wrote: > ><snip> > > >[As the DES,] Dataseal/Demon/Lucifer was pretty good. It may not > >have been the *most* secure algorithm of its time, but neither was it a > >transparent and useless "cipher" with obvious flaws other than the > 56-bit > >keyspace. However, the important part of building up trust (or lack > >thereof) in the cipher came after it was chosen as the DES. > > I suggest that you give insufficient weight to the importance of > the NSA imprimatur on the DES. > > The DES became the standard we know today -- for years, > universally accepted in US commerce, banking, and trade -- largely because > > the US National Security Agency (NSA) issued, upon the designation of the > DES by NIST, a statement that the NSA's cryptanalysts knew of no attack on > > the DES algorithm more effective than a brute force search of all possible > 56-bit keys. [...] > DES was pretty much what they said it was (even down to that > tweak > in the S-boxes to block differential analysis, which the academic crypto > researchers didn't discover for many years.) The NSA was/is really very > good at what they did, and -- particularly in the US computer industry > (which until 1960 had been pretty much guided by NSA R&D contracts) -- > their cryptanalytic expertise was wholly unchallenged. > > If you read the ostensible charter of the NSA, its duties include assisting in the securing of US civilian communications. While I expect this mainly means making sure that Boris & Natasha aren't tapping US internal comm links without permission, it can also be interpreted to make sure we aren't using snakeoil ciphers. Making DES not suck seems well within the NSA charter. In 1986, when the second recertification came up, I remember considerable consternation over the key-length reduction to 56 bits, and the unexplained tweaking of the S-boxes. There was serious discussion at the time that one or both of these changes were done to introduce backdoors. You'd probably have to find a usenet archive from the period to confirm this. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the extra (8?) bits in the original were shown not to add to the security of the cipher. Clearly 56 was too short - Diffie & Hellman published a paper to that effect in 1977. In the end, we now know that the tweaking prevented differential cryptanalysis, but not linear cryptanalysis. DCA had apparently been discovered internally at IBM (and presumably at NSA). LCA was not then known within IBM (whether it was known inside NSA is an interesting question :-) I would not be suprised if 30 or 50 years down the road, we find out that NSA did its level best to ensure that the AES selection process picked the best candidate. Equally, I would not be suprised to find that they already have some black cryptanalytic technique which can defeat it. On the balance I favor the former: the NSA is as aware as the rest of us of the huge cost (both financial and security) of embedding a broken cipher in the infrastructure of the nation. Peter Trei

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CDR: Polynomial Time Minimum Clique Partition?
by Eric Cordian 10 Oct '00

10 Oct '00

Someone at the following URL is claiming NP=P based on an alleged polynomial time solution to the minimum clique partition problem. http://www.busygin.dp.ua/clipat.html Code is provided, and I am downloading it at the moment. More later. ----- An Efficient Algorithm for the Minimum Clique Partition Problem by Anatoly Plotnikov _________________________________________________________________ Foreword by Stas Busygin Publishing this paper claiming P=NP result in my Repository for Hard Problems Solving, I completely realize my huge responsibility for this decision. As you perhaps know, this paper has a predecessor -- Polynomial-Time Partition of a Graph into Cliques published in SWJPAM -- and I was its first firm opponent. Fortunately, Anatoly Plotnikov has written a new revised and expanded description of his proposal and agreed to present it here. I am very grateful to him for this. Partly because of a modification of the algorithm and partly because of made clarifications, I should say that my previous arguments are not relevant for the proposed matter so I have removed them from here. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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CDR: Re: FBI: We Need Cyber Ethics Education
by Trei, Peter 10 Oct '00

10 Oct '00

Funny, reading the Subject line of this, I immediately assumed that the FBI was belatedly admitting that it: the *FBI* needed some 'cyber ethics education'. This is On another note, my Microsoft Exchange (spit) mail client chopped off the 'FBI:' prefix on the subject line of the reply - Any alphanumeric (unspaced) string terminated with ': " gets dropped. Sigh..... [Yes, I know the article is a spoof] Peter Trei > ---------- > From: Tim May[SMTP:tcmay@got.net] > Reply To: Tim May > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 7:11 PM > To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > Subject: FBI: We Need Cyber Ethics Education > > > > > Monday October 9 4:45 PM ET > > FBI: We Need Cyber Ethics Education > > > By DIANE HOPHEAD, Routers Press Agency > > WASHINGTON (AP) - FBI: We Need Cyber Ethics Education. > > Thou shalt snoop on other children. > > Thou shalt not hide cybercrimes by using encryption. > > FBI agents are spreading a new gospel to parents and teachers, hoping > they'll better educate youths that privacy in cyberspace can be > economically costly and just as criminal as refusing to narc out > fellow students. > > The Justice Department (news - web sites) and the Information > Technology Association of America, a trade group, has launched the > Cybercitizen Partnership to encourage educators and parents to talk > to children in ways that equate privacy and encryption with > old-fashioned wrongdoing. > > The nascent effort includes a series of seminars around the country > for teachers, classroom materials and guides and a Web site to help > parents talk to children. The FBI is distributing copies of > "MyPersonalCarnivore" to allow children to set up their own > Carnivore-enabled local sites. > > ``In a democracy in general, we can't have the police everywhere,'' > said Michael Vacuous, director of the FBI's National Infrastructure > Protection Center, which guards against computer attacks by > terrorists, foreign agents and teen hackers. > > ``One of the most important ways of reducing crime is trying to teach > ethics and morality to our kids. That same principle needs to apply > to the cyber world,'' he said. > > "We are willing to drop the antitrust action against Microsoft if and > when they meet the legitimate needs of law enforcement," he added. > Asked if he was referring to the proposed "WindowsMe (and Big > Brother)," he added that he could not comment on sensitive programs. >

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CDR: STAINLESS STEEL PIPES & TUBES FOR FERTILIZER INDUSTRIES
by Suraj 10 Oct '00

10 Oct '00

STAINLESS STEEL PIPES & TUBES FOR FERTILIZER INDUSTRIES Kind Attn : Manager- Procurement / Purchase / Buyers Department Dear Sir, We are leading Producers/Manufacturers / Exporters of STAINLESS STEEL PIPE / TUBE SEAMLESS/ WELDED,having our works near Ahmedabad-in INDIA. Our Size range 6mm OD to 168.3 mm OD, Thickness 0.5mm to 6.00mm , Grades AISI ,304 ,304L ,310 ,316 ,316L , 316TI , 321 and Mfg.standards ASTM / ASME A-213,A312, A-249 ,A-268,A-269, A-270,A-688, A-554. Also We can supply Under DIN specification. We have facility to supply in extra long lengths upto 18 meters, U Bending according to buyer's drawing can be done, Our Plant is Approved by All National / International Inspection Agency & we can supply Under Customers/ Third party Inspection Agency. We have specialisation in Tubings for equipments like Heat Exchangers, Heating Elements, Surface condensers,Evaporators, Digestors, instrumentation and Fluid Pipings. If you have any requirement of stainless steel Pipes/Tubes, Please send detailed enquiry with Your Company name and Address. For more information please visit our Website http://www.surajgroup.com please send your inquiries by E-mail surajs(a)ad1.vsnl.net.in or Fax - 91- 79- 7437277 Thank you, ASHOK SHAH - DIRECTOR SURAJ STAINLESS LIMITED AN ISO 9002 COMPANY 6th Floor, Kalpana Complex,Nr.Memnagar Fire Station, Navrangpura, Ahmedabad Gujarat 380009 INDIA Phone 0091-79-7411050 -51 -52 FAX 91-79-7437277 E-mail. surajs(a)ad1.vsnl.net.in http://www.surajgroup.com ( MANUFACTURER & EXPORTER OF STAINLESS STEEL PIPES,TUBES & "U" TUBES SEAMLESS/WELDED )

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CDR: Commercial Financing for Small/Large Business
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10 Oct '00

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CDR: RE: Musings on AES and DES
by Lucky Green 10 Oct '00

10 Oct '00

John wrote: > NIST has stated that the maximum endorsement will be to use > AES for non-classified government information. So the question > will remain of what is better than AES, or to put it another way, > what is not good enough about AES for its use on classified > information. A more likely explanation of the NSA withholding endorsement of AES for use with classified traffic is that doing so would dejustify the continued existence of the code-making groups at NSA. --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> "Anytime you decrypt... its against the law". Jack Valenti, President, Motion Picture Association of America in a sworn deposition, 2000-06-06

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by Dan Bristow 10 Oct '00

10 Oct '00

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