October 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: Increase-Web-Business.com
by jamesbeck＠skiutahtoday.com 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

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CDR: Increase-Web-Business.com
by jamesbeck＠skiutahtoday.com 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

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CDR: Know Your Customer
by Marcel Popescu 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

> from http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/10/national/10PESO.html > > > October 10, 2000 > > U.S. Companies Tangled in Web of Drug Dollars > By LOWELL BERGMAN > > > On a rainy day last June, a group of corporate executives gathered in a > conference room at the Justice Department for a meeting with Attorney > General Janet Reno and other top government officials. > > The executives represented some of the pillars of corporate America - > Hewlett-Packard, Ford Motor Company, Whirlpool. The session was not > publicized because those at the meeting shared an unlikely and potentially > embarrassing problem: their companies, they feared, were being singled out > in the nation's war on drugs, and neither they nor the government was quite > sure what to do. > > With the intensifying federal crackdown on money laundering, agents had been > tracking drug money into the accounts of American corporations and their > distributors and dealers. In fact, federal officials said, about $5 billion > a year in Colombian drug money is used to buy goods and services - from > cigarettes to computer chips - from American companies. > > What makes that possible is a system known as the black-market peso > exchange, a complex money trade that law enforcement officials say has > become increasingly important to the Colombian narcotics trade. > > The system - really a network of currency brokers with offices in New York, > Miami, the Caribbean and South America - is essentially an underground money > market that lets the traffickers exchange American dollars for Colombian > pesos. Those dollars, which stay in the United States, are then bought by > Colombian companies that use them to buy American goods for sale back home. > > But the government's efforts to seize that money have put it on a collision > course with corporations, which say they are victims with no way of knowing > that they and their distributors are being paid with drug money. > > As they met on June 6, those executives, lawyers and law enforcement > officials found themselves grappling with a conundrum: when does drug money > stop being drug money? How far does a company's responsibility go? > > The questions have been confronting law enforcement officials for years. > > "What are we going to do?" asked Greg Passic, a former drug enforcement > agent who now advises the government on the economics of the narcotics > industry. "We've got the Fortune 500 involved in our drug- money laundering > process." > > For a long time, because of lax enforcement of United States currency laws, > the drug traffickers were able to launder billions of dollars through > American financial institutions. A crackdown in the 1980's pushed > traffickers to what they saw as a virtually fail-safe system for getting > back their profits - the black-market peso exchange. > > Their growing reliance on that system shows how deeply the drug trade has > become entwined in the legitimate economies of the United States, Colombia > and other nations. > > Colombian officials said that as much as 45 percent of their country's > imported consumer goods are bought with money laundered through the peso > exchange. > > On the American side, law enforcement officials said the exchange has > largely eliminated the trade deficit with Colombia. The market, said the > customs commissioner, Raymond W. Kelly, "is the ultimate nexus between crime > and commerce, using global trade to mask global money laundering." > > So far, no large American company has faced criminal charges. And companies > have almost always been able to prevent federal officials from keeping money > that has been seized. > > But in the last few years, as frustration has risen, the government has > taken a tougher line. There have been Congressional hearings intended to put > companies on notice by name. Prosecutors have issued warnings and stepped up > efforts to seize laundered money. > > At the same time, the government has encouraged companies to institute "know > your customer" policies similar to those used in the financial industry. The > policies gave dealers and distributors techniques for recognizing money > laundering. Thus educated, the government thought, the companies would be > less able to argue that they simply could not have known. > > In drawing the line between legitimate and illegitimate profits, the > government must not only prove that the money came from drug deals; it must > show that the recipient "knew or should have known" its source. > > In the war on drugs, that line has proved very fuzzy. > > Trading Dollars for Pesos > > Congress passed the first money- laundering laws in the early 1970's - > requiring, among other things, that banks report any cash transaction over > $10,000 - but the laws were loosely enforced. By 1979, the Federal Reserve > Bank in Miami had more cash than the other federal reserve banks combined. > > It took the uproar over the cocaine epidemic in the early 80's for banks to > comply with the law. And with the resulting crackdown, traffickers resorted > to the black market, which for decades had provided Colombian businesses > with dollars at less than the official exchange rate of 2,000 pesos to the > dollar. The rate in Colombia is fixed by the government. > > One peso broker recently agreed to describe how the system works. > > The process begins when the broker receives a call from a Colombian drug > trafficker or his American representative. The two negotiate an exchange > rate for pesos, usually 30 percent to 40 percent below the fixed rate. So > $10,000 might be worth 12 million pesos instead of 20 million at the > official rate. > > The dollars are then delivered to the broker, who promises to deliver pesos > to the trafficker's bank account after the dollars are sold to Colombian > businesses. The dealer's insurance is the broker's knowledge that to do > otherwise would almost surely mean death. > > The broker maintains several runners - "smurfs," in law enforcement lingo - > who deposit the cash into hundreds of United States bank accounts in amounts > of less than $10,000, to avoid scrutiny. > > At the same time, the broker's office in Colombia negotiates with business > people there who want cheap dollars to buy everything from consumer goods to > helicopters. > > Usually, that exchange rate is 20 percent below market, so a business owner > in Colombia might pay 16 million pesos, instead of 20 million pesos at the > fixed rate, for $10,000. > > The pesos are then transferred - in this example, 12 million pesos - to the > traffickers' accounts. The broker keeps the difference, 4 million pesos in > this instance. Then at the businessman's direction, the dollars in the > American banks are used to pay for American goods. > > The peso brokerage is one part of the process that supplies Colombia with > inexpensive goods from the United States and around the world. Colombian > authorities said the goods were often smuggled into the country, costing > Colombia more than $300 million a year in tax revenue. > > Colombia has made collecting that lost revenue a priority. But the black > market has considerable appeal because it puts a lot of inexpensive foreign > goods on the Colombian market. > > The exchange has also increased American exports to Colombia. > > "This is positive for U.S. business, there is no doubt about it," said Mike > Wald, who runs a consortium of law enforcement agencies in Florida focusing > on the peso exchange. "The Colombian, if he pays less for his dollars, can > buy more goods. That's a pretty obvious economic fact. But we have to > realize where this money originates. It's drug money." > > Tangled With Drug Money > > Two companies that have turned up in the American government's > anti-laundering efforts are Phillip Morris and Bell Helicopter Textron. > > Phillip Morris products in particular have been a major presence in > Colombia. Marlboro cigarettes are readily available at prices investigator s > said indicated that they were bought with black market dollars and smuggled > into the country. > > Earlier this year, Phillip Morris was sued in the Eastern District of New > York by the Colombian tax collectors. The federal lawsuit accused the > company of being involved in cigarette smuggling and in the laundering of > drug proceeds. > > Phillip Morris has denied the allegations, saying that it did not know its > products were being exploited for money laundering. In addition, without > admitting wrongdoing, it recently signed an agreement with Colombia, > pledging to stop its products from entering the black market or being used > to launder money. > > In 1995, in Federal District Court in San Juan, Puerto Rico, Phillip > Morris's former distributors in northern South America were indicted for > laundering $40 million in black market pesos. > > A member of the defense lawyers said the money was used to buy Phillip > Morris cigarettes, liquor and other products for the Colombian market. But > the defense team member said the defendants did not know that the money came > from drug sales. > > Phillip Morris severed its relationship with the defendants in 1998 and said > it did not know that its products were being smuggled or that black market > money was used to buy them. > > In another case, Bell Helicopter is challenging the seizure of $300,000 from > its accounts, money, according to court documents, that was generated by > drug smuggling. > > It was part of more than $1 million that the United States believed was > supplied a peso-exchange broker to buy a Bell aircraft. The helicopter was > seized in Panama at the request of the United States. > > The case has become a sore point for American law enforcement in part > because the helicopter was sold to a Colombian businessman linked to the > country's right-wing paramilitaries. > > Seeking Cooperation > > The deepening struggle between prosecutors and business executives is what > led to the meeting with Attorney General Reno and other government > officials, including Deputy Attorney General Eric H. Holder and Deputy > Treasury Secretary Stuart E. Eizenstat. The companies invited were > Hewlett-Packard, Ford, General Motors, Sony, Westinghouse, Whirlpool and > General Electric Company, Treasury officials said. > > None of the companies returned phone calls seeking comment, except General > Electric and Sony. Sony said it would have no comment. But General > Electric's counsel, Scott Gilbert, said his company instituted a strict > compliance program five years ago, after reports that its refrigerators were > being used in money-laundering operations. > > As part of its policy, Mr. Gilbert said General Electric warns dealers to be > aware of "red flags" - a customer's lack of interest in discounts, an > unwillingness to give information about the company, or unusual forms of > payment like large amounts of cash or checks written on the account of a > third party. > > The new policy has cut sales of appliances to Latin America by 23,000 units, > or over 20 percent, said an executive at General Electric. > > Alan Dooty, a customs official, said the companies had been selected for the > June meeting because their products had shown up in the black market in > Colombia. The exception was General Electric, which he singled out as a > "good citizen." > > Before the meeting, some of the companies expressed concern that they would > be punished. But once they arrived, Mr. Dooty said, they were assured that > the government was seeking cooperation. > > A follow-up session in July bogged down in legal murk. > > An industry representative familiar with the meeting said: "The Justice and > Treasury Departments realized that they were trying to identify drug money > that had morphed, been transformed, in layers of transactions involving > distributors, authorized dealers, financing arrangements with unregulated > money lenders called `factors' and the other realities of commercial life." > > More meetings are scheduled for this fall.

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CDR: RE: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Mo nday August 2000)
by Mike Just 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

I'll add two words to the list: "support" (as opposed to "provide"), and "accountability." I prefer to say that a digital signature is a tool that "supports accountability." I suppose that "supports non-repudiation" would be fine as well. My concern is when the phrase "provides non-repudiation" is used it implies that complete non-repudiation can be provided technically (which I don't believe is the case). Mike J. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Jablon [mailto:dpj@world.std.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:29 AM > To: Arnold G. Reinhold > Cc: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu; cryptography(a)c2.net; cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First > Monday August 2000) > > > "Anti-repudiation" sounds good to me. > > ... even if does remind me of "antidisestablishmentarianism". > Come to think of it, now even that term sounds appropriate here -- as > our belief in the value of methods that deter key "dis-establishment". > Pretty scary. > > -- dpj > > At 09:08 AM 10/11/00 -0400, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: > >My concern is that the vast majority of informed lay people, > lawyers, > >judges, legislators, etc. will hear "non-repudiation" and hear > >"absolute proof." If you doubt this, read the breathless articles > >written recently about the new U.S. Electronic Signatures Act. > > > >I don't think technologists should be free to use evocative > terms and > >then define away their common sense meaning in the fine print. > >Certainly a valid public key signature is strong evidence and > >services like that described in the draft can be useful. I simply > >object to calling them "non-repudiation services." I would > not object > >to "anti-repudiation services," "counter-repudiation services" or > >"repudiation-resistant technology." Would the banking > industry employ > >terms like "forgery-proof checks," "impregnable vaults" or > >"pick-proof locks" to describe conventional security measures that > >were known to be fallible? > >

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CDR: beOutdoors spam scam exposed
by Michelle 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

I know the beOutdoors spamming incedent is an old issue, but I thought you might be interested in reading this message I posted on n.a.n.e. Also, I got the original lie they told mixed up, but please note that no one was fired as a result. (The original beOutdoors lie is at the bottom as a refresher.) > Hello! > > Boy are you going to be glad that you are reading > this. I used to work at beOutdoors.com until very > recently. > > I know the real story about what happened with that > whole spamming incident. > > There was never a young IT guy who was fired and > broke > into the building and spammed a bunch of people, but > I > think you already knew that. > > Karla Story is the Director of Business Development, > but more importantly, she is the best friend of the > wife of Randy Hoffman, President of beOutdoors.com > and > former Republican candidate for the U.S. House of > Represenstatives. Karla purchased a CD containing 30 > million names and email addresses for $110 for the > express purpose of spamming them. Apparently, it > seemed like a viable advertising campaign at the > time. > > Geng (James) Qu, formerly of KPMG, now Director of > IT > at beOutdoors.com, wrote a program for Randy that > would automatically send a mass email to batches of > about 25,000 addresses at a time. They specifically > pulled out AOL addresses since they were a Gold > Anchor > tenant in AOL Shopping. > > Randy would come into the back room (Oh, I forgot to > mention that at the time they were located in a > strip > mall and 14 people worked there - so much for their > "very secure location". Also, some of the servers > were > down in the LA area at a place where there is no way > in hell this would happen.) and say, "Let's run off > the next 25,000." The rest of us knew they were > doing > a big mailing, but we thought that they were sending > things only to registered users. Besides, the > Director > of IT was our entire IT department at the time. > > Later when James noticed that we were getting a lot > of > bounce backs, he attributed it to server problems. > Another employee showed him the thread (yours) > regarding this spamming incident. > > James had no idea that Randy had put out that bogus > story about a break-in. Right away he knew that it > would come back to haunt them. As I mentioned, they > had no IT people other than the Director of IT. > Also, > the only person who had been fired prior to that was > a > graphics person, and it hadn't been a recent firing. > > I know that this is an old issue, but as you are the > self-proclaimed blight upon all spammers, or > something > similar, I thought that you might still be > interested. > > By the way, just so that you don't think I am a > disgruntled employee who is making this up, I wasn't > fired. I gave them a full two weeks notice like a > good > employee would. > > However, if you are interested in hearing many more > examples of the lack of integrity at beOutdoors.com, > I > would be more than happy to oblige. I never signed a > non-disclosure agreement. > > Enjoy! >From Exodus: We have contacted our customer regarding your "beoutdoors.com" spam complaint. Below is their explanation describing the situation. Between Friday evening May 5, 2000 and Monday morning, May 8, 2000 there was unauthorized use of beOutdoors assets and its Internet access that resulted in the sending of unsolicited commercial email to an unknown number of email addresses. This was done without any authorization or knowledge of any company manager. Specifically sometime Friday evening May 5 one of our young technical employees (now ex-employee) and a friend of his entered the beOutdoors facility (without authorization) and set up an email program on an internal server to send our cash sweepstakes announcement to email addresses contained on a CD the employees friend had acquired. We are unable to determine the number of emails sent or to whom they were sent since three of our internal servers crashed as a result of the individuals unauthorized use. Based upon complaints we do know that many individuals received several copies of the email. Due to the crash of our internal servers it has taken us a little over a week to become fully operational again and complete our investigation to determine if there was criminal intent. After a discussion with the District Attorney�s office and the individuals who perpetrated the email disaster it appears that there was no criminal intent just misguided, unauthorized actions by two very immature individuals. The employee was terminated but not prosecuted. We want to apologize to Exodus and any others that may have been impacted in anyway by the unauthorized actions of a now former employee. --- -- Eric Uratchko Policy Enforcement Specialist Exodus Communications, Inc. 1-888-2EXODUS, Ext. 7700 -- Kathleen Policy Enforcement Manager Exodus Communications, Inc. 1-888-2EXODUS, Ext. 3984 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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CDR: RE: request for info about DU
by Lucky Green 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

A more interesting question might be: where does one get depleted uranium. I looked, but found no useful information on the Net. Surely there can't be much restrictions on this stuff. [The even more interesting question of course is where to obtain enriched uranium}. --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> "Anytime you decrypt... its against the law". Jack Valenti, President, Motion Picture Association of America in a sworn deposition, 2000-06-06 > -----Original Message----- > From: cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net [mailto:cypherpunks@openpgp.net]On Behalf > Of Tim May > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:10 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: request for info about DU > > > At 6:27 PM +0100 10/10/00, Hansen Linn wrote: > >I am a journalist student who need some basic info about > Depleted Uranium. > >Why and how has it depleted???? Do u have any usefull links were > I can find > >this info?? > > > > There will be vast numbers of Web pages available. Use search engines. > > I worked a lot with depleted uranium in a past career. It's natural > uranium from which the U-235 isotope has been removed, leaving the > U-238 isotope. Inasmuch as U-238 is the bulk of naturally occurring > uranium, DU is not very different from ordinary uranium as mined and > processed into the metallic form. > > Though mildly radioactive (half-life of billions of years...4.5 > billion, IIRC), its very high density makes it ideal for sailboat > keels, cores of anti-tank and anti-ship shells, etc. (When used in a > weapon, the DU adds to the penetration, and also ignites and > burns...this has nothing whatsoever to do with its radioactivity, > though.) > > Again, consult online sources, or encyclopedias. > > And if you asked on the Cypherpunks list because you thought it would > be cute to implicate us in nuclear weapons chatter, get a clue. If > not, it was still the wrong place to ask such a question. > > > --Tim May > -- > ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- > Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, > ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero > W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, > "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments. > > >

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CDR: Note to Dems: Don't Let Joseph Lieberman Log On
by Declan McCullagh 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

[I wrote this Lieberman piece the week we learned he was going to be the Dems' VP nominee but never got around to sending it out. Here it is, for your (potential) amusement. --Declan] ******** http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/10/11/143236&mode=nested Note to Dems: Don't Let Joe Lieberman Log On from the back-away-from-that-mouse-senator dept. By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) An open letter to Democrats: Your vice presidential candidate, Senator Joseph Lieberman, is without question a determined fellow. Who else would pen 1700-word essays carefully analyzing how many DWPM -- that's Dirty Words Per Minute -- appear on prime-time TV? Who else would painstakingly construct an oh-so-Washington response: The FCC should step in and threaten those TV networks with loss of their licenses if they don't cough up, Al Capone-style, protection programming? In the first hour of primetime, Lieberman writes in an essay published the week he accepted the veep slot, "sexual references have now reached an average of 3.69 per hour." Now, let's put aside the question of why an esteemed member of the world's greatest deliberative body feels the urge to take a counter to phrases like "Want to come up to my place for a drink?" It's true that Lieberman is quoting a study and perhaps didn't perform the mind-splitting task of weighing whether "Your place or mine?" falls into the safe-for-Junior or the raise-the-alarum category, though given his apparent predilection for prurience, one has to wonder. But calm down, Nadine Strossen: There's nothing particularly Orwellian about this precise, prudish algebra. That's because such fractional calculations, combined with the high-pitched harmonics of smug moral superiority, bespeak not so much Big Brother as an invigorated Kenneth Starr after a particularly rousing Bible study group. Does it really matter whether there are 3.692 sex mentions per hour or 3.714? More importantly, does nobody in Washington remember "significant figures" from their junior high math classes? One gets the impression that even if the sex-mentions-per-hour plummeted to 0.01, Lieberman would still be railing against Hollywood -- in much the same fervid-but-futile way that Moms used to warn teens about the corrupting influence of Elvis, and that was even before The King grew jowly, middle-aged, and potbellied. No, what really worries me aren't Lieberman's views on network TV. Let's be honest: Prime time television is as moribund nowadays as Dan Quayle's presidential ambitions, and even less interesting to chat about. What worries me is how behind the curve this fellow is. I mean, this guy wants to be able to succeed, in a pinch, Bill Clinton in the Oval Office. Sure, Clinton will be best remembered for unconsummated hummers from Monica, but at least he'd be an entertaining chap to hang out and swill beer with at a Yankees game. You just know that if Lieberman were sitting next to you, he'd whip out his calculator and start adding up how many times per minute each player swore. More to the point, it was Bob Dole who ran against Clinton four years ago by pandering to the right-wingers and whining about Hollywood's "nightmares of depravity." Can't Al & Joe think of anything new? Note to Dems: Big Bob lost. Of course, if the latest polls are any indication, the same thing's going to happen to Al and Joe. Why shouldn't they follow Dole's lead again post-November, if only to escape the ranks of the new unemployed? The former moral crusader and Viagra spokesman -- who has done as much to popularize discussions of problematic penises as Bill Clinton, albeit in a far more lucrative way -- this May inked a deal with Comedy Central, best known for raunchy shows like "South Park" that feature plots such as Satan getting buggered by Saddam Hussein. It may not be traditional family values, but Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Jesse Helms would surely approve. The real problem is what might happen if Lieberman discovers the Internet. He's a smart enough guy, even sponsored the obligatory anti-spam legislation, but then again you'd be hard-pressed nowadays to find any Congresscritter who hasn't. He may even be reasonably wired, might even read his own email, but you know that he's never spent any time mucking around the underbelly of the Net. You don't have to go very far. Just go to altavista.com and type in, say, "foot fetish." Presto! The advanced artificial intelligence of one of the leading search engines kicks in, and you get your neural-network-certified picks: "Female foot fetishes," "bare foot fetishes," "male foot fetishes." The press has made a lot of Lieberman's status as an Orthodox Jew, so one presumes he won't be a fan of jewishfetish.com, even though all the men do appear to be properly circumsized. If Lieberman is so eager to sic those hapless FCC bureaucrats on network television, imagine what he'd do to the Net. He's already been talking about creating a .xxx top level domain for smut, but I don't think he quite realizes how much of it there is out there. So, in the name of brotherly love, don't ever, ever let Joseph Lieberman log on. Sincerely, Declan McCullagh Washington, DC http://www.mccullagh.org/

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Re: Rijndael & Hitachi
by Steven M. Bellovin 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

In message <5.0.0.25.2.20001010154833.03a01b80(a)ebible.org>, Michael Paul Johnso n writes: > >To put this suggestion into perspective, consider that in the real world, pure > cipher strength is rarely the weakest link in the security chain, provided th >at a reasonable key length and cipher are chosen. Having done that, go for it >if you still think you can afford the extra time, space, and key management wi >th (probably) no measurable increase in overall system security. Precisely. What is the *real* threat model? History does indeed show that believed-secure ciphers may not be, and that we do indeed need a safety margin. But history shows even more strongly that there are many better ways to the plaintext, and that's the real goal. --Steve Bellovin

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11 Oct '00

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CDR: New OLD cryptograph patent for NSA
by Bo Elkjaer 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

Hi Yesterday oct. 10 NSA was granted another patent for a cryptographic device invented by William Friedman. The application for the patent was filed oct. 23 1936 -- 64 years ago. The patent can be found here: http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/net…'national+security+agency'&OS="national+security+agency"&RS="national+security+agency" Interesting read. Yours Bo Elkjaer, Denmark >>Bevar naturen: Sylt et egern.<< >>URL: http://www.datashopper.dk/~boo/index.html<< >>ECHELON URL:<< >>http://www1.ekstrabladet.dk/netdetect/echelon.iasp<<

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