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Re: [cpe:4537] Tim May's defensive racism (was: about RC9) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:49:44 -0600 > From: TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> > Subject: Re: [cpe:4537] Tim May's defensive racism (was: about RC9) (fwd) > Austin redneck hippie, Jim Choate, wrote: OH, that is truly funny... Just 'cause I happened to be raised by hippies doesn't mean I am a hippie. Backfield in motion...Sugar Sugar... > > > From: TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> > > > Subject: Re: [cpe:4537] Tim May's defensive racism (was: about RC9) > > > Electronic communication is a bare-bones ASCII interpretation of > > > our intended communication. i.e. - stripped of intonation and other > > > physical gestures which convey a meaning beyond the mere words we > > > speak, in themselves. > > > Although there are some rudimentary ASCII images (:>) which can be > > > used to add elements of shared emotional or conceptual constructs to > > > the message we are attempting to convey. > > > > > > The Medium IS the Message. > > > > You clearly don't read real books...especialy those of the great authors of the > > world. > > Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, had no idea what it meant... Exactly. Thank you for being so obliging. > > People who believe the spin doctorism 'The medium is the message' usualy > > spend their time watching television or working for it. > > Those who *do*not* believe 'The medium is the message' usually think > that Socrates' world-veiw would have been exactly the same if he had > been using the InterNet as his means of viewing and communicating with > the world. Who's Socrates? A more interesting question is whether the technology would have impacted his base psychology... I know this, way down deep there is a fundamental dialog between people and all the technology in the world doesn't change that. Those base topics are what define human societies. If this weren't so then how can the human experience be so stable over recorded history & cultures? Why do we discuss the exact same sorts of questions all societies & individuals have asked? But, to counter your suggestion, please be so kind as to demonstrate your evidence where the method of expression might have changed the basic fundamentals of his dialogue? What are those fundamental issues that you claim have changed so radicaly? While your'e at it, how about extrapolating that nifty keen cliological analysis to say 500 years into the future and explain your own biases and bigottries? You can leave the whip and chains out of the dialog, those never change. I would propose that there are more fundamental issue than the level of technology. For example, consider the impact of experimentation on a basicaly experiential world-view as that commen in ancient Greece. As another example, consider the reaction when pi was shown to be irrational and this knowledge was banned upon pain of death. Clearly we have the technology yet we have not escaped the more base human experience. The reality would seem to indicate that no, the most base messages of Socrates, Sun Tzu, Christ, or the cypherpunks are still the same old ones... - People are people, people are strange - What makes one person happy is guaranteed to piss somebody else off - Most people will never figure the first two out even if you tell them the answers > > > Until the email/communications medium evolves to allow us the ability > > > to add not only smiles and winks, etc., but also chagrin, doubt, self- > > > doubt, etc., to our online communications, the medium will remain an > > > impediment to conveying the totality of our true message, as opposed to > > > being merely an electronic version of 'pidgin Englich'. > > > > This could happen provided we got rid of television and made graphics harder > > to print... > > Right, Jim. Give us your prediction of when this is going to happen... > (Yes, I *am* laughing at you...thanks for asking.) Uh...like cold day in hell... I'm beginning to think your attention span is tuned to those 30 second blip-verts...and who asked? Are the voices back already? > Reality is that even when the medium evolves to the point where we > can use it to convey the totality of what we are trying to convey, that "convey the totality"? What kind of double-speak bullshit is that? Look junior, the absolutely *ONLY* way to express the 'totality' of an experience is to be the one doing the experience. You can pop all the moddies and daddies you wanna but it's still a pale imitation; a rose it is not in any language. Now unless you have just instantly warped our happy assess into the far flung future we are a long walk from plugging brains together, nic's & protocols not withstanding. > after we have done so the 'powers that be' will flash a graphic of > us on the computer screen, making us look for all the world like a > drug-dealing, terrorist pedophile. > There will be few sheeple with the dicrimination to recognize that, > in your case, it is true, in 'my' case, it is not. > > Not that I'm a troublemaker... Well that's good, you shouldn't be as disappointed at your steady failures. My suggestion, don't quit your day job, assuming your old enough to have a job. They can't tell you're a dawg on the Internet. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: KC is an Idiot
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Tentsicles
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

IS FOSTER KEY TO "THE OCTOPUS?" Editorial When you start digging into the circumstances surrounding the death of White House aide Vince Foster, a number of names keep popping up that have popped up in relation to a number of large scandals of the last two decades. Starting with the "October Surprise," the alleged plot to delay the release of hostages from Iran to after the presidential election in 1980 in an attempt to embarrass President Carter, it is indeed striking that the hostages were released just a few hours after President Reagan was sworn in. A number of witnesses have testified to the involvement of Vice President Bush and Earl Brian in this secret plot. These witnesses, all CIA or Mossad assets, have received the "Terry Reed treatment": indictment on false charges and thorough discrediting. But it was another source, White House staffer Barbara Honegger, who wrote the first "October Surprise" book in 1989. It was early in the Reagan administration that Earl Brian, Richard Secord and others used their influence and connections to make money on selling the pirated PROMIS software from Inslaw Inc. Former OSS agent Jackson Stephens is alleged to have made money on PROMIS as well through his Arkansas Systematics Inc. It was there that Vince Foster, as a partner of Hillary Clinton in the Rose Law Firm and representing Systematics, became involved with the Inslaw affair. A much bigger scandal of government corruption was the Savings and Loan scandal of the 1980. The federally backed savings-and-loans were not only looted by crooks and criminals but also by well-connected politicians who needed an easy buck. Neil Bush and Bill and Hillary Clinton are just a few examples. Apparently not content with the hundreds of billions in S & L loot from the taxpayer, corrupt government officials turned to drugs. The CIA-sponsored Contra re-supply network was used to ship illegal drugs of incredible volume into the United States. CIA assets Terry Reed and L.D. Brown implicate Bill Clinton, George Bush and Oliver North with this operation. A confidential CIA document obtained by the Washington Weekly supports the involvement of George Bush by linking him to arms-dealer Adnan Khashoggi, Richard Secord, and CIA asset John Hull, whose ranch in Costa Rica was used for transshipment of drugs and arms through Mena, Arkansas and other U.S. destinations. Another of these scandals during the 1980s was the illegal penetration of the bank that the CIA preferred - the BCCI Bank of Crooks and Criminals. Politicians across the spectrum are implicated in taking bribes to allow this bank to take over American banks with the help of Jackson Stephens and Vince Foster. No serious investigations have been launched by the Bush and Clinton Justice Departments. Leaving aside for a moment the dispute over whether any of these scandals have been proven, there is one remarkable facet about the facts as they have been presented: some names appear in several of these alleged scandals. Topping the list is George Bush, the only CIA director to become President of the United States. It is difficult to reconcile these serious allegations with the rather decent public image of George and Barbara Bush. But to dismiss these allegations out of hand is to accept a conspiracy that includes a large number of unrelated witnesses naming the same culprits in different scandals. But it should also be said that participants in these scandals may have thought they acted to defeat Communism, where the end would justify every means. After all, that was the prime objective of the CIA during the Cold War. Are these the arms of the octopus that reporter Danny Casolaro referred to just before he was found dead in his hotel room in 1991? He told friends he was tracing a network of government corruption involving Inslaw, BCCI, and the October Surprise. Washington D.C. attorney Paul Wilcher was tracing the same Octopus when he was found dead three days after Vince Foster died. Think back to the 1992 elections for a moment. Did George Bush bring up any of the scandals that could have defeated Clinton? Did he mention Whitewater, Cattlegate, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Mena? Why not? Did he know that it could backfire seriously because of what Bill Clinton knew about him? Did Bill Clinton take advantage of that in his unlikely bid for the presidency? What, then, is this Octopus? It appears to be an association between rogue elements of the CIA and certain elected officials. An analysis of these structures will show that corruption is inevitable. The CIA has a budget of $28 billion, it assassinates people without being held accountable in a court of law, it operates in secret, it has almost unlimited power and is not subject to any meaningful oversight. Only saints could avoid corruption and abuse of power in such an environment. Then what can we do about it? Limit the budget of the CIA, limit its role, subject it to greater outside scrutiny, expose past scandals and hold individuals responsible for their crimes. Three presidents tried to do just that: John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon, and Jimmy Carter. None of them stayed in office for long, and none of them achieved their goal. Copyright (c) 1995 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com)

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Re: [cpe:4577] Re: List Robustness
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > > Then there's the mirror at Ft. Meade :-) Now that you've told us, are you going to have to kill us?

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Get Started Right Away And Have A Great Christmas
by SBJ Enterprises 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear friend, The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY MINIMAL outlay and the income return is TREMENDOUS! When you order you will be given instructions of a conference call that will give you technical support, step by step how to e-mail your own email. This really works! <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> You are about to make at least $50,000 - In less than 90 days Read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!... <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. My name is Christopher Erickson. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends, and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. I truly believe it was wrong for me to be in debt like this. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share my experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER....FINANCIALLY!!! In mid-December, I received this program via email. Six months prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they worked or not. One claimed I'd make a million dollars in one year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it. But like I was saying, in December of '95 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further in debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. After determining that the program is LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT". Initially I sent out 10,000 emails. It only cost me about $15.00 for my time on-line. The great thing about email is that I didn't need any money for printing to send out the program, only the cost to fulfill my orders. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me! A good program to help do this is Ready Aim Fire, an email extracting and mass mail program: http://microsyssolutions.com/raf/ Another more advanced one can be found at: http://www.extractor.com/ads.htm In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13th, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. When you read the GUARANTEE in the program, you will see that "YOU MUST RECEIVE 15 TO 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 20 to 90 days was done. By January 30th, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. If you go back to the GUARANTEE, "YOU MUST RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 19th, of my emailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER! Remember, it wont work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! REPORT #2 explains this. Always follow the guarantee, 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1, and 100 or more orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 20 to 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS !!! If you are a fellow business owner and you are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Christopher Erickson PS Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! "THREW IT AWAY" "I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it came. I DIDN'T throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." Dawn W., Evansville, IN "NO FREE LUNCH" "My late father always told me, 'remember, Alan, there is no free lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Through trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally figured it out. The program works very well, I just had to find the right target group of people to email it to. So far this year, I have made over $63,000 using this program. I know my dad would have been very proud of me." Alan B., Philadelphia, PA A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM By the time you have read the enclosed information and looked over the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for ten years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to email a copy of this exciting program to everyone that you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of them!. Remember though, the more you send out, the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU $$$$$$ Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a .5% response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those .5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The .5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The .5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 five dollar bills for you. CASH!!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5000 + $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF ONLY 2,000. Believe me, many people will do that and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet connection and email is FREE!!! REPORT#3 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing and purchasing email lists. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dream will come true. This multi-level email order marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME. Email is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW!! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using email. Get your piece of this action!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and The Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold throughout Multi-level Methods by the mid to late 1990's. This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the US, 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. INSTRUCTIONS: We at Erris Mail Order Marketing Business, have a method of raising capital that REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use $50,000 to $125,000 in the next 20 to 90 days. Before you say "Bull", please read the program carefully. This is the GREATEST Multi-level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: Step (1) Order all four 4 REPORTS listed by NAME AND NUMBER. Do this by ordering the REPORT from each of the four 4 names listed on the next page. For each REPORT, send $5 CASH and a SELF- ADDRESSED, STAMPED envelope (BUSINESS SIZE #10) to the person listed for the SPECIFIC REPORT. International orders should also include $1 extra for postage. It is essential that you specify the NAME and NUMBER of the report requested to the person you are ordering from. You will need ALL FOUR 4 REPORTS because you will be REPRINTING and RESELLING them. DO NOT alter the names or sequence other than what the instructions say. IMPORTANT: Always provide same-day service on all orders. Step (2) Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with yours, moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. Drop the name and address under REPORT #2 to REPORT #3, moving the one that was there to REPORT #4. The name and address that was under REPORT #4 is dropped from the list and this party is no doubt on the way to the bank. When doing this, make certain you type the names and addresses ACCURATELY! DO NOT MIX UP MOVING PRODUCT/REPORT POSITIONS!!! Step (3) Having made the required changes in the NAME list, save it as a text (.txt) file in it's own directory to be used with whatever email program you like. Again, REPORT #3 will tell you the best methods of bulk emailing and acquiring email lists. Step (4) Email a copy of the entire program (all of this is very important) to everyone whose address you can get your hands on. Start with friends and relatives since you can encourage them to take advantage of this fabulous money-making opportunity. That's what I did. And they love me now, more than ever. Then, email to anyone and everyone! Use your imagination! You can get email addresses from companies on the internet who specialize in email mailing lists. These are very cheap, 100,000 addresses for around $35.00. IMPORTANT: You won't get a good response if you use an old list, so always request a FRESH, NEW list. You will find out where to purchase these lists when you order the four 4 REPORTS. REQUIRED REPORTS ***Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** ALWAYS SEND A SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE AND $5 CASH FOR EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT BY NAME AND NUMBER Please, no checks, cash only ! ________________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: SJB Enterprises 640-A Valley View Loop Honolulu, HI 96818 ________________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Freedom Investments PO Box 199 Wadesville, IN. 47638-0199 ________________________________________________________ REPORT#3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: Katz Investments 6545 Quiet Hours Columbia, Md 21045 ________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Aquarian Enterprises 3965 Phelan #105-304 Beaumont,TX 77707 _______________________________________________________ CONCLUSION .I am enjoying my fortune that I made by sending out this program. You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing. Very few people reach financial independence, because when opportunity knocks, they choose to ignore it. It is much easier to say "NO" than "YES", and this is the question that you must answer. Will YOU ignore this amazing opportunity or will you take advantage of it? If you do nothing, you have indeed missed something and nothing will change. Please re-read this material, this is a special opportunity. If you have any questions, please feel free to write to the sender of this information. You will get a prompt and informative reply. My method is simple. I sell thousands of people a product for $5 that costs me pennies to produce and email. I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make money. This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam. At times you have probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, on faith, but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever! Not only are chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them quite unattractive. You are offering a legitimate product to your people. After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four 4 FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program. The concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reproduced at a local copy center for a cost off about 3 cents a copy. Best wishes with the program and Good Luck! TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preferred). 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the others all move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to send them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!! "I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me." - Sir Isaac Newton

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Fairy gold
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Persistent identities suck. Ideas stand or fall on their own. Reputation capital is fairy gold, evaporating with the morning dew.

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ICC on E-Commerce
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jyri Kaljundi wrote: >There were some reports released lately by the International Chamber of >Commerce (http://www.iccwbo.org/) also. These were in connection with >World Business Agenda for Electronic Commerce conference some days ago in >Paris. Most of the materials seemed to be there on the web. Yes, and good reports they are. We've mirrored one of them: "Guide to International Digitally Ensured Commerce": http://jya.com/guidec2.htm (130K)

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Re: PGPsdk is now free for non-commercial use
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart writes: > I'm pleased to see PGP Inc. permitting development of freeware, > but at leased from a first reading of the license, > it's a _really_ restrictive definition of "freeware" - > not only does the software have to be free, but it can only be used > in extremely restrictively non-commercial activities. > It's far more restrictive than RSAREF (though more precisely defined.) > Here's an excerpt from the web page at > http://www.pgp.com/sdk/sdklicencefree.html > For purposes hereof, the term "non-commercial" shall mean that > the application > (a) has been distributed or otherwise made available at no charge > (direct or indirect) and > (b) is not used for any commercial purpose, which includes, > but is not limited to, any activity engaged for the purpose > of generating revenues (directly or indirectly). > For example, a commercial purpose includes the use of the > application within a commercial business or facility or > the use of the product to provide a service, or in support > of service, for which you charge. > Commercial purpose also includes use by any government agency > or organization. > Examples of non-commercial purposes include use > at home for personal correspondence, > use by students for academic activities, > or use by human rights organizations. > > First of all, it sounds like it can only be used by students at > non-government-run universities, but not at Berkeley, and if > Random MIT Student develops PGPwidget using the toolkit, > students at U.C.Berkeley can't use it for academic use either, > except perhaps on their PCs at home (if they live off-campus.) > (Do any of the UK universities count as non-government-run?) You consider use by students at U.C.Berkeley to be use by a "government agency or organization". I don't think that is what is meant. They mean something like the NSA, or Congress, or the military. It would be better if they explicitly explained how public schools were to be dealt with. My guess would be that instructors and staff members would require a license, but that students could use it for free. Probably the best thing to do is to send email to PGP and ask them to issue a clarification. > But "within a commercial business or facility" is far more > restrictive. > I use a laptop for my home and work email, and carry it around. > It sounds like I can't use PGPwidget or PGPsdk for encrypting > personal email at lunchtime when my laptop is at the office, > and perhaps not from a hotel (at least if I'm there on business)? "Within" is probably meant in the organizational sense, not in terms of physical inclusion. The fundamental point is whether revenue generation is involved. Personal email does not generate revenue (arguably reading your personal email at work interferes with generating revenue). > I probably can't start PGPwidget at home and leave it running > when I carry the laptop to work. I probably can't use PGPwidget > when I'm reading my work email at home, though perhaps it's ok > to use it on personal mail that someone sent to my work MSExchange, > assuming it's not a widget that competes with a PGP product. You can't use it to do your work. Your company should buy a copy in that case. Reading your work email counts as part of doing your work. Mostly these seem like reasonable definitions of non-commercial use. But you have identified some gray areas that should be fleshed out. Xcalibur

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export restictions and investments
by Jyri Kaljundi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How do the US export restrictions affect investments into non-US crypto companies? Is it legal for US private persons or companies to invest money into companies developing strong crypto applications for example in Europe? Since Sun bought the Russian Elvis+ company it seems to be Ok, just wanted to check if there are any other opinions. Does anyone know of any other non-US companies that have received US investments, or venture capital or whatever? Jyri Kaljundi jk(a)stallion.ee AS Stallion Ltd http://www.stallion.ee/

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17 Dec '03

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