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Re: Dep. AG Gorelick on CSPAN2 advocating escrow
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:34 PM 7/13/96, Deranged Mutant wrote: >Saw Jamie(?) Gorelick, Dep. Attny Gen. on CSPAN2 talking about needs >for key escrow. Emphasized the what if people lose their keys, or >someone dies, or if an employee steals company secrets & encrypts >them... rather than the usual what if terrorists use crypto line >(though she did mention that too). > >Guess they're taking a new tack to sell it to the public. A lot of >bunkum... (project left to the reader how these can be handled in a >non-GAK manner). And as we all know, having discussed this many times, even if one buys these arguments for the advantages of key escrow, THEY DO NOT APPLY TO COMMUNICATIONS! That is, imagine Alice and Bob communicating over some channel. Alice has files on her computer. Putatively, if she dies, leave her company, whatever, it is desired to reconstruct these files. Fine. A potential use for key escrow. (If voluntary, of course.) But what does this have to do with a channel between Alice and Bob? Why should the keys for this channel ever need to be escrowed for the reasons Gorelick cites? After all, Alice has the files she sent stored locally, and Bob presumably has the same files he received. There is essentially no rationale for escrowing the keys of a transient communication. The Administration and even cryptologists apologizing for GAK (who ought to know better) are curiously silent on this rebuttal to their claims. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Annoucing LivePGP - content security for web (fwd)
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- I hate lightning - finger for public key - Vote Monarchist unicorn(a)schloss.li ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From ssl-lists-owner(a)minbne.mincom.oz.au Thu Aug 29 01:00:59 1996 > Message-Id: <01BB9594.5E8FC740@minuet> > From: Ming-Ching Tiew <mctiew(a)csi.po.my> > Subject: Annoucing LivePGP - content security for web > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:25:07 +-800 > Encoding: 54 TEXT > Sender: ssl-lists-owner(a)mincom.com > Precedence: bulk > > Inspired by Adam Cain's write-up ( and others ) on comparison on the using of PGP, > SSL/HTTPS, SHTTP and others on Web technologies, I have written a LivePGP > plugin for Navigator 3.x and is available for evaluation for anybody who cares to > send me a email ( as I don't have a leased line connection to internet ). > > See below for a summary. > > Thank you, > Regards, > Ming-Ching > mctiew(a)csi.po.my > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > As a summary, this is a plugin for Navigator 3.x which I developed it > myself, and which I called it LivePGP because it uses LiveConnect and > PGP. > > LivePGP is a plugin to be loaded on Navigator machine; it secures the > content before transmittion to the network. Therefore, it doesn't matter > what network or what's or ever. > > With absolutely no intention to compete with SSL and SHTTP, LivePGP > attempts to address some issues with existing security products :- > > 1. 1024-bit key length of PGP in comparison with 40-bit for SSL ( due to > international export limitation ). PGP is a well-known product which > has survived years to testing. > > 2. Extended security vs point-to-point security provided by SSL. Content > coming out of SSL client and server are plain text, which may > be subjected to system administrator's tempering with the data. Using > LivePGP, the decryption of data can be relayed as late as (operationally) possible. > > More important practical reason is that the signed content can be logged > on the client and server; it is very useful to addresss non-repudiation. > The client cannot argue that he didnot submit the transaction, because > the content which contains the client's signature can be logged and printed out. > > Similary, system administrator's tempering the data could be checked against > with. > > 3. Even thought the plugin is developed using C/C++ and Java, > deployment for any scenerio need only standard HTML/Javascript. > > 4. Client is Win95/NT. Server can be anything. Win3.11 is unknown. > > 5. Every part introduced by me is source code available. > > 6. Can use it together with SSL to make use of the high transparency > of SSL. > > 7. Can use it to upload ( signed and encrypted ) local files, in addition > to uploading ( signed and encrypted ) web content.

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Returned mail: User unknown
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Returned mail: User unknown
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - a question about prime sums of odd numbers
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ray Arachelian wrote: > "Igor Chudov @ home" wrote: > > Well, take 11, for example, it cannot be repsesented as a sum of different > > primes. It cannot, pure and simple. > Bullshit: 7+5+(-1)=11. Last I heard, negative numbers weren't excluded from > being primes. 7 is different from 5, -1 is different from 7 and from 5. If this is boiling down to a definition of primes, I'll haul out my Hardy & Wright, page 2: A number p is said to be prime if (i) p > 1, (ii) p has no positive divisors except 1 and p. ... It is important to observe that 1 is not reckoned as a prime. My number theory class at college (admittedly that was three decades ago) also started the prime series at 2 and went up from there. The term "odd primes" always meant 3 and above, not 1 and above. YMMV. -- Jim Gillogly 29 Blotmath S.R. 1998, 16:29 12.19.5.12.12, 4 Eb 5 Ceh, Ninth Lord of Night

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Returned mail: User unknown
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Can't block caller ID in Massachusetts?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:25 PM 7/13/96 -0500, Roger Williams wrote: >Certainly, though, if I was calling the BATF toll-free to rat on my >neighbourhood Uzi dealer, I'd never call from my own phone, anonymous >re-phoner or not. A question to ponder: If (anonymous) pay telephones didn't already exist, would they be allowed today? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Crypto-activism
by Arun Mehta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 00:43 13/07/96 +0000, Deranged Mutant wrote: >My point is that a lot of people in those countries are aware of PGP >etc. than make it out to be. Certainly many activists are. They >focus on the human rights issues at hand, to which PGP etc. may be a >tool... but isn't the central focus. I agree. But many such people, who need PGP but don't want to make it their central focus, have a hard time acquiring the necessary skills. When even people on this list, for whom by and large crypto is the central focus, complain about how cumbersome PGP is to use in practice, what about everyone else? > >It would be condescending to email to many people in a domain saying >"hey, have you heard of PGP?..." Chances are they'll think it's a >strange commercial spam anyway. You are right, and it wasn't my suggestion to ask in this way. What one could do is: 1) Prepare a writeup in simple English, on exactly how to use the appropriate software. 2) Try to get it translated into Chinese, Korean, and whatever other language we can find volunteers or sponsorship for. 3) Post on appropriate newsgroups that such translations exist, with urls. 4) Suggest that since people living under authoritarian regimes may not have access to the appropriate Usenet newsgroups, to please spread the word. No need to suggest that any particular country is being targetted, in fact enough people living in the US and using the office computer for communications would benefit. >> the question is, are >> *you* in a position to share your knowledge? > >Yep. But there's a proper way to share knowledge. Would you agree that steps 1-4 above would constitute the proper way? In that case, would you help prepare such a document (any other volunteers equally welcome)? >You also have to know what you're talking about: if you're not familiar >with the nitty -gritty of politics in such countries, you'll come off as the >"cypherpunk bearing gifts of crypto for the natives"... the politics >going on in places like Cuba, China, Iraq, Russia are a bit more >complex than what comes off through the media (to some extent no >matter where you are and what media you watch). Undoubtedly. But I see no problem in cypherpunks bearing gifts of crypto to people who are fighting difficult battles for human rights -- ultimately for all of us. If anyone is bearing gifts here, it is them. On the Internet, everyone does what s/he is good at, and cypherpunks just happen to be good at crypto. > >For example... there are many anti-Castro 'democratic' socialists in Cuba. >If you approach them as if they were anti-Communists you'll be seen >as a clueless kook. Some Chinese I have spoken to are suspicious of >the Tiennamen Sq. activists, claiming they were more 'reformists' >than true democratizers who were unknown before Tiennamen. Clearly, in our document we will take no political positions whatsoever. We merely point out that if you wish to communicate securely such that only the recipient(s) can decipher, this is how you go about it. They'll know how to use it, this is a problem they face daily, with phone tappings, bugs, etc. a routine. > >One more important issue: people have to trust you. You can't go >into a strange environment and expect trust if you come off as a >tourist. You are selling yourself short. People who have (successfully?) fought the US government are likely to get a trust bonus among activists anywhere they go ;-) You asked about me, I've put up a little information on http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ I'd be happy to fill in the blanks. Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ The protestors of Tiananmen Square will be back. Next time, the battle will be fought in cyberspace, where the students have the more powerful tanks...

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Chicago Physcial Meet?
by snow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was exchanging email with another member of the list late last week, and they brought up the possibility of a physcial meet for the greater Chicago Area Cyhperpunks. Would there be interest in such an event? Petro, Christopher C. petro(a)suba.com <prefered for any non-list stuff> snow(a)crash.suba.com

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Re: Crypto-activism
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

BTW, Sent this message to you the other day. It was bounced back... ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from unix.asb.com by giasdl01.vsnl.net.in; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/23Apr96-0134AM) id AA09399; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 10:32:46 +0500 Received: from magneto (sls17.asb.com [165.254.128.27]) by unix.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA16194 for <amehta(a)giasdl01.vsnl.net.in>; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:20:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199607130520.BAA16194(a)unix.asb.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> From: "Deranged Mutant" <WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.com> Organization: What organization? To: Arun Mehta <amehta(a)giasdl01.vsnl.net.in> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:03:41 +0000 Subject: PGP Key Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Arun, No offense is meant at my posts, BTW. Just that I've seen seen some crazy schemes by activists who ignored the subtlety of some issues and do more harm than good. (Old pat phrase about road to hell being paved with good intentions...). Particularly with activists from "out-of-town" who claim to know what's better for the locals. Took a look at your home page,BTW. No public key on it, checked the servers. Also saw you graduated from SUNY in '76. Which school? (I've got a BA from SUNY Stony Brook recently, though not in comp-sci...) Peace, Rob -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzF7Ci0AAAEH/2FiCb1r6C7QxMuExNo695h2qhiqkuS2EHrGyQ4gh+K1/4ha fXbXkHzeC0ifQSCTHPEknG/vCZP3ihkxTlwNaHE3GsSgu3e0o4uDDrz8mFWTEcTW mwjVGcDA2y0XBEc3Veh3hpVSTaKgYA12EcpQMzEAaICD/v8iezeDIRvAY8Jah/Wj 4dn1VF3RTYOm7ypTMLWDJQU2/cMk+TralJkMrSIhCE0GPU0JRAfjH/J2bl+5vxjF cC1JMSsY+LfgB8et3rSktdZzuudq08XQkPO79BL6U1ZqYjKwXWFKRNwP5XARDc+f 2pKBaCu0MN8kBoXOSvk4vJQpU6ATBM2VLF0/LpkABRG0JHdsa25nb3dsQHVuaXgu YXNiLmNvbSAocm9vdEBtYWduZXRvKYkAlQMFEDF7I67bHFCnqx9IMQEBJ3IEAJjp jcO91LnEGpQBWSR5liEHiAtkMH1kEVTOHFQsDQYF1Hb+ZIdbioIS6h4Il4NuHRZ5 ThtfCBs/jdNi2dtzVP6Isd1AsSSuRcyejeZblp1Ope71yrhV6uR7izHUGTK0GgHm xprq/E078oZdVB/73RNLM1qZdKW//4FoRLIZMOUBiQEVAwUQMXsSEwTNlSxdPy6Z AQEmrwf9FHSkUB+sTOIJhiLHfoJTETmEhKqFAjTs+4gRCCNiNSarLRyxF6lLRZDq lii02exIEgqzsiTlAta9nJ/ivnrtzcvhGxfXoOnbluuXa55HrosCXGjPt/XhZw++ p3iHKIox26M1cfe4WxAfD0HByvEn/uvNByTAh8aAqGqDxkDppZ6BnhMBlwXyAPaS bxGXzohOnKbg4oRTgO0932DUWU0uGX05Ab4jE+ZIGPT/w3cirHIRI+8vuNNrvuzE fG2RuI4Ns3hy0X9ZgP7hF+pRCWCQP/ak/HL38qegU90OlPFN8sdzS+qIaJROcT91 oMmPkUMgxdNcwhmqMqH2cQIj8pJhEJkAjQIr7lFeAAABBAC6rQ3ND8whLABFsDGN wYlIy9T4mqykqRT23hT1QIS9p+dSP8Zg3m8F5W4WsFfPBUqI0MsPGinYFzefq83V dEruPtFbnqKcbu1bjMAtjuFF6LSdEdOUlUdHE6YWOCZpcK6OmSrZKfrzlnmjaQ88 njTyqTwUsZAFfA3bHFCnqx9IMQAFEbQnRGVyYW5nZWQgTXV0YW50IDx3bGtuZ293 bEB1bml4LmFzYi5jb20+iQCVAwUQMMpQXdscUKerH0gxAQFNvAQAme7BCMGVUQCW CrdbnttRfZwSj6ryvhkIVYMcht2wtlpbEF/y2PxAbewWIBcPUCvJeyq1pViDcsbl 6gFLqKkaNA9okk0bAW0xZ5/qGIHmkkLkSnwOysdIExsrJykpKT/9Nrd11VKbrMXX tyMBDZR2c7GpyCVaud9XMS+Auuzb8vC0K1JvYmVydCBXYWxraW5nLU93bCA8cnJv dGhlbmJAaWMuc3VueXNiLmVkdT6JARUDBRAu/eFMbr6/n5nWRf0BAe1+B/9AePkd mJJVqb2XlX6uDC1/kGrSlRJlZp6Xy5NmKMcZG4KBI48MwWbGqxkr4iYTv0ep9+PV Jcd0mDuGTke3HSBffmpVEWHi/oBc1BpPBAVJPP8EX147yQXfn2SiyWQunDVZeFRy Ss1GLxgPR0JjaysmwoNcPL1RS3hpgPY81G+f+A35/q9vwC4i8+CnF4z0Rda3CUbg u1O9RngkbOAM6sJzEDJDJIonjEuKRtjOQShayR8sZbqVn09cOqXFRJ8T+1XLetW9 gtmKQNg4nQpm6xorqal7uZiHlksaKh1BweXm/iTwpNw2s0H53SbE6mX5IJo1r8/e +lUYvX/ygC/suAx1tDFOb3RlOiA8cnJvdGhlbmJAaWMuc3VueXNiLmVkdT4gZXhw aXJlcyBBdWd1c3QgJzk2iQCVAwUQMcT5OtscUKerH0gxAQFYZgQAo6LLlDLSuBF6 TlQjSH3yVuEh5hv8BZ0Jc6EcLlnC8brZD9k+sH0y0NknPcIVTzl5j3V+WCS0M2Pz bE4uZDEi7arfK3plhsU2JtGM9thl1LyaTvUyVR1ycvskJh3AMHvG+EhhfgLyngtE JLpKdFJSOoKPDRGTYyZ3jmtpN7p2vP60JlAuTy5Cb3ggMTMyNyBTdG9ueSBCcm9v aywgTlkgMTE3OTAgVVNB =aX7r -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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