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New Type2.list/Pubring.mix
by John A. Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Everyone, I've created a new type2.list/pubring.mix combination on jpunix.com. The most notable change is that the q(a)c2.org has been removed from the list. After several spot checks over the weekend I noticed the ncognito remailer producing sporadic pings so I left it on the list. Also, please note that the middleman remailer has changed nym servers from alpha.c2.org to nym.jpunix.com. The files are available by WWW at http://www.jpunix.com as well as by anonymous FTP at ftp.jpunix.com. John Perry - perry(a)alpha.jpunix.com - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! WWW - http://www.jpunix.com PGP 2.62 key for perry(a)jpunix.com is on the keyservers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMbv9H1OTpEThrthvAQEyewQAqHY5duExLgUQBSf/EQOshXCevQReOKY4 LyVJ4GODBY626OxSUNvi+9+mlJs/0oW2tQ0iSuz3EeEBLrZw0m02wsCPtyGgojd+ hJd+T717sUX9xQ8lsiZHWZ27+Hvb0a8Y2yJ0ugYAKg5jTFfbSkxgpodSXdorqi7c Mlt6fLof080= =QCge -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Anonymous computer contractors
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:24 PM 6/9/96 -0500, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >[we were discussing jimbell's assassination clearinghouse - Igor] > >> > Maybe your hint really makes sense and after initial depopulation the >> > citizens will use different, more considerate, ways of dealing with each >> > other. >> >> I think it would take very few 'depopulation' incidents to improve manners. >> Humans, like rats, are very good at learning from others' mistakes. > >Alright, but since quite a few people have quite a few present enemies, >the depopulation may be severe enough. I disagree. While each of us may arguably have a number of enemies, if our lists were compared I think most of those enemies can be located in a relatively tiny group of people, most of whom exercise government authority. Eliminate them, and a relatively small number of criminals, and it'll be a rather safe and pleasant society. > The only hope is that the assassin market will become tight. I think that the _need_ will drop long before the supply of potential assassins will. Resignations will occur, and criminals will straighten up quickly. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)miron.vip.best.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"portal"} = "<hfinney(a)shell.portal.com> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"alumni"} = "<hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"c2"} = "<remail(a)c2.org> eric pgp hash reord"; $remailer{"penet"} = "<anon(a)anon.penet.fi> penet post"; $remailer{"flame"} = "<remailer(a)flame.alias.net> cpunk mix pgp. hash latent cut post reord"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"ecafe"} = "<cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org> cpunk mix"; $remailer{"amnesia"} = "<amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ksub"; $remailer{'alpha'} = '<alias(a)alpha.c2.org> alpha pgp'; $remailer{'nymrod'} = '<nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"lead"} = "<mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"treehole"} = "<remailer(a)mockingbird.alias.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"exon"} = "<remailer(a)remailer.nl.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"vegas"} = "<remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"haystack"} = "<haystack(a)holy.cow.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"ncognito"} = "<ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> mix cpunk pgp hash latent"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (c2 alpha) (flame replay) (alumni portal) Use "premail -getkeys pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu" to get PGP keys for the remailers. Fingering this address works too. Note: The remailer list now includes information for the alpha nymserver. Last update: Mon 10 Jun 96 6:48:03 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- replay remailer(a)replay.com *+*********+ 5:38 99.97% nymrod nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com +**# 7:18 99.95% flame remailer(a)flame.alias.net ---+++++++++ 1:07:16 99.94% alumni hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu -##-*###### 8:52 99.92% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com +++-_.-.-+++ 9:01:40 99.88% treehole remailer(a)mockingbird.alias.net -.-_.--+-+++ 6:53:46 99.87% alpha alias(a)alpha.c2.org ++**++-++*** 43:27 99.82% ecafe cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org ##*#**#*##.- 2:32:01 99.82% c2 remail(a)c2.org ++++----++-+ 50:04 99.80% amnesia amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com ----------- 3:25:22 99.74% vegas remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com -***+**-** * 12:10 99.57% portal hfinney(a)shell.portal.com # ##-####*## 9:04 99.37% lead mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu ++++ +++-+++ 57:39 96.99% ncognito ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -. 5:56:16 96.90% exon remailer(a)remailer.nl.com * *+****** * 5:53 96.70% haystack haystack(a)holy.cow.net +# ##*#*#* + 9:32 96.44% penet anon(a)anon.penet.fi __----- 39:12:37 88.74% extropia remail(a)miron.vip.best.com -----.---- 7:07:20 83.80% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Re: Anonymous stock trades.
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:15 AM -0400 6/9/96, jamesd(a)echeque.com wrote: >> Brand [the whales] and herd them like open range cattle: The west did not >> need a government to do that, though they did need to hang a few >> folk who favored a different method of open ranging. At 09:02 AM 6/9/96 -0400, Robert Hettinga wrote: > Ah. Transponders. Could blind-sign 'em. Maritime specific-identity > accounting. Trade 'em on the open market. Actual anonymous er, stock, > ownership? Whale-meat futures on the hoof, er, fin? Thanks for this clarification: I fear my post had a lot of people thinking of whalers sitting around a sagebrush campfire heating extremely large irons red hot. Really large irons. Really, really, really large irons. And a really big sagebrush campfire. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: your mail
by qut＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, harman.david wrote: > > > This sat's no good fo' me. > > Is Jul 13 OK? > > I've got the ResNet conference that week, and I'll probably need to recover. > It might be fun to meet you at some Tuesday night boink. I'll buy you a > beer. I've got gay friends, but I don't boink them. And, I used to be a nice guy, but I quit drugs. BTW, what does it cost to get a dedicated T3? Would it cost more than a vacation? > > Again, I'm only interested in the implementation, > > the ongoing discussion about legal liability, > > is fairly bogus, I, Black Unicorn, and many others, > > have already declared we would go face to face > > with the law. > > To what was this a reference? Crypto-Anonyminity vs. the law and Co$. "In the national socialist paradise, there is no law" -- Kill Your Television

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Re: [Off-Topic] "Curfews"
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:03 AM 6/9/96 +0000, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: >On 8 Jun 96 at 12:40, jim bell wrote: >> As you can see, this is one of the big difficulties that people can >> have understanding AP: Since it changes just about everything about >> how a society works, you can't analyze it "easily" using your >> built-up knowledge of societies. > >Actually, it makes one realize that society and the "collective" is >nothing, that the basic building block is the individual. If you >analyse the motivation of the individual, AP is not difficult to >understand. It is, however, hard to separate out all the familiar assumptions we make about the world based on the current way of doing things. > >> As I've said so many times before, AP is like a political Rorschach >> test: Your reaction to it is strongly related to your political >> philosophy. That's part of the magic. > >Please stay out of magic. The actual politician are enough into it. Well, I was speaking hyperbolically. (hyperbole.) Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bryce wrote (whilst on his high horse): > Hm. I think the best we could hope for is along the lines of > "The suspect subscribed to the 'Cypherpunks' discussion group on > the Internet, but his violent views were rejected by the members > of the group." Not every member of this list rejects his views. I for one do not reject them outright, but will not defend his views publically for fear of embarassing the corporation that I work for. I do not reject Jim Bell's violent views for the simple reason that violence is often required to fight violence. In other words, the best you can hope for is "... but his violent views were rejected by some members of the group." > It is important that the reporter manages to _not_ use the word > "member" to indicate that Bell is a "member" of Cypherpunks. He *is* a member. And why shouldn't he be? Are you suggesting that this group become moderated? (hiss). The whole AP concept is very relevent to the Cypherpunks, whether the majority like it or not. > I think that conversing with Bell, or publically replying to him > at all, even to insult him, makes him more of a "member" and > makes his pet topic more a part of cypherpunks, both in appearance > and in substance. So don't do it. That means you, too, > Black Unicorn. At _least_ you can take it to private e-mail in > order to prevent the reporters from getting the wrong idea, and > in order to spare the rest of us the tedium of deleting the > messages. No platform for lunatics??? If there is one thing that a Cypherpunk should have learned during his time in the group, is that the answer to hate speech (or violent speech, or whatever you wish to call it) is more speech. If your fear is that reporters will get hold of the wrong end of the stick, then perhaps you are correct, but the real problem is the *reporters*, not the attitude of the Cypherpunks. blame them. propose a solution. (how about abolition of all libel laws?) > This is assuming that the statement "his violent views were > rejected by the members of the group" is actually true! If > there _is_ anyone else here who shares Bell's evil enthusiasms, > I strongly encourage you to begin a new list dedicated to that > topic. I disagree with the phrase "evil enthusiasms." Bell is not an evil man. A little crazy perhaps, but not evil. If you bothered to listen to him, you would find that his aim is to create a "better" world, where people (especially politicians) are very much more responsible for their own actions. He suggests that the number of deaths due to AP will be less that the number of deaths due to the current corrupt system. think about it. how many on this group would have another man killed for his views? For his noisy stereo? For a competive advantage in business? I am confident the answer will be zero. On the other hand, I would gladly throw in a few dollars to have certain politicians killed. gladly. and I will be able to sleep at night. I will sleep better knowing that, although I was partly responsible for a mans death, I will have saved countless others (a bit like dropping an a-bomb on Japan). Question for Jim - would you resort to AP to have Bryce popped off? Question for Bryce - would you resort to AP to have Jim popped off?

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Re: Asendmail Status & Politikal Rant
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Addressed to: Ben Holiday <ncognito(a)gate.net> Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> ** Reply to note from Ben Holiday <ncognito(a)gate.net> 05/29/96 10:30pm -0400 as to the politiks --if we do not standup now, we will not even be able to speak up later. there is no question that every means of confronting a totalitarian driven government apparati must be developed, and the means of impletation well known. the only safety is in numbers; and, yes, some of the "brethern" will fall. anymore than the aging Chinese despots were able to contain the news of Tinnamin square, and I stood at the corner by the Forbidden City as it was starting to form, despots everywhere are faced with the same problem. in China, the free speach and democracy protestors faced enormous technological and communication deficiencies --so far, we do not. -- The result of today's 'government' is new world disorder, unfolding at warp velocity.

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Re: [Off-Topic] "Curfews"
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 8 Jun 96 at 12:40, jim bell wrote: > JFA wrote: > >I did something I always bitch at when done by others: looking at a > >situation outside of it's appropriate and complete context. > > As you can see, this is one of the big difficulties that people can > have understanding AP: Since it changes just about everything about > how a society works, you can't analyze it "easily" using your > built-up knowledge of societies. Actually, it makes one realize that society and the "collective" is nothing, that the basic building block is the individual. If you analyse the motivation of the individual, AP is not difficult to understand. > As I've said so many times before, AP is like a political Rorschach > test: Your reaction to it is strongly related to your political > philosophy. That's part of the magic. Please stay out of magic. The actual politician are enough into it. JFA DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee; Limoges porcelain, silverware and crystal JFA Technologies, R&D consultants: physicists, technologists and engineers. PGP keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891

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Re: Anti-Scientologists
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>1. There's a gang of flamers (David Gerard, Jon Noring, Ron Newman, Rob J. >Nauta, and the like) who try to stop $cientologists from discussing their >religion on the Usenet newsgroup alt.religion.scientology. Most of them are >disgruntled former cult members and/or members of other similar cults. Untruth #1. Aside from the "religion" red herring you tossed in (it's a cult), the critics expose the lies, doubletalk and inconsistencies posted by cult apologists. (It should be noted that these people aren't generally "just another satisfied Scientologist," but are cult employees who are carefully vetted to distribute propaaganda without ever answering critics' questions.) [snip] >3. These harrassers are Usenet Cabal supporters, and they are sometimes >joined by initerant cabal enforcers such as Peter Vorobieff, who visit a.r.s >to lend a helping hand and to flame Co$. So what's your point? Besides, there is no Cabal fnord. :-) >4. Recently the anti-scientologists have asked me for a copy of my cancelbot, >and have been using it to forge cancels for scientologist posts on a.r.s. Untruth #2. Articles canceled from a.r.s. have been multiple postings of standard Scientology tracts (over 10,000 in all, so my newsreader says), spread out over various alleged users. These aren't intended to promote discussion -- they're intended to bury the newsgroup in noise. Apparently being selected Kook of the Month causes disturbances in one's ability to distinguish the correct from the incorrect. (Or is that how one gets the award in the first place?)

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