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War & InfoWar
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Blanc wrote: > Lately Tim has been making extremely dramatic death statements: "Kill > them all...they are unworthy of life.", "... I > pray for the deaths of these criminals.", "Washington is a cancer than can > only be cured with a few megatons of > nuclear disinfectant.", "May they all be vaporized.", etc. > > These are definitely dark in mood and understandable; I also have violently > negative & despairing emotions about these people. I just wouldn't ever > think of involving those who are innocent bystanders and happened to be in > the wrong place at the wrong time. Of course, you have your own definintion of innocenent bystanders, while others may have different definitions. Is someone who is in the military because of forced enscription at the point of a gun (with threats of imprisonment if they refuse) an innocent bystander? When an invading force attacks your home, do you only shoot back at those who are there willingly? How about those who willingly process and uphold the atrocities which the government commits upon its citizens? (Those who don't turn on the gas, but merely put them in the ovens {because the paperwork all seemed to be in order}.) Were the children in the daycare center at the Federal Building at OK city innocent bystanders? Then why, pray tell, did the government allow them to be placed in a building which was known to be a prime target of anti-government paramilitary idealists? Were they being used as a "shield" in the hopes that their presence would protect the others? Or were they there in order to provide sensational fodder for government response to the inevitable? History bulges with examples of governments using their citizens as human shields by placing armament factories in residential areas and there are a multitude of other examples of government disregard for the lives of their citizens. The government has prosecuted dozens of individuals for planning to bomb the OK city Federal Building (including executed murderers). It has long been listed as a target of choice for anti-government paramilitarists. For the government to deny culpability in children being present at the bombing reeks of hypocrisy. > I know that critical times call for critical action, but I just don't > expect from anarchist libertarian cypherpunks that they would "throw > caution to the wind" (so to speak) and forget how to think about events and > actions in terms of specifics and utter precision. The fact of the matter is that the government has declared war on the freedom and liberty of its citizens and passed draconian laws which prevent citizens from defending themselves from government oppression. The government protects those participating in its crimes from having to pay a price for their complicity. The government has a ruinous effect on the lives of millions of its citizens daily and is responsible for a mountain of deaths of "innocent people." Those taking part in the process should be made aware that there is a price to pay for their actions. Should the Allied war against Nazi Germany have not taken place because "innocent" lives would be lost? Should the French Freedom fighters not have fought to free their country from occupation because "innocent bystanders" would die in the process? Timothy McVeigh's position in history will likely belong in the hands of the winner of the war between the government and its citizens, but he is already considered a freedom fighter by more people than the government would like to admit. He has issued a wake-up call for those who think that they can remain nameless and faceless in their complicity with government atrocities. While I would have chosen a different approach and target for an attack, I will not pass moral judgement on McVeigh's actions. That is between himself and his conscience. Tim McVeigh at least had the fortitude to act on his outrage over what he perceived as government injustice. What did others do over the outrageous tragedy at Waco? Mostly they just turned their heads away and tried to pretend that our government is not a murderer of men, women and children. How many government employees quit in outrage, stating that they would not take part in such atrocities? How many took a vocal moral stand against their superiors, or exposed the government duplicity involved in the police action? Nobody who turns their head is "innocent" and they cannot avoid their own responsibility if they choose to place their children in the line of fire as a result of their participation in crimes against the citizens. Given the wide knowledge of the OK city Federal Building being a known target of anti-government forces, I think the placing of a daycare center there was the equivalent of military forces who cowardly advance with women and children in front of them. (And there are ample examples of this in history.) Those in government express outrage at the barbarity of an individual citizen attacking his oppressors, but apparently are not outraged enough to stop their oppression. The fact is that we have a police state whose power and abuse of power are growing by leaps and bounds because there has been no realistic amount of accountability attached to their actions. This is an unnatural state of affairs and one that human nature will correct. When things become too far out of balance, then the universal laws of nature correct the situation. I believe that the dinosaurs learned this lesson, as well. TruthMonger

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Re: Wine Politics Again! (fwd)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 9 May 1997, Tim May wrote: > At 4:09 AM -0800 5/9/97, Robert Hettinga wrote: > >--- begin forwarded text ... > >Hello friends of the Virtual Vineyards and family wineries. Remember the > >felony direct shipping law in Georgia I wrote about a few weeks ago? Well, > >Governor Miller signed it, unfortunately. Ship a bottle of wine, go to > >jail. Amazing. It should go without saying that this is a classic case of a dumb bill, being passed to serve the special interest of liquor store owners. > Chiles and his co-conspirators should be shot for high crimes against the > Constitution. After Clinton, Freeh, Kerrey, and the other traitors. It should go without saying that the above is nonsense. Sorry Tim. To take only the least obvious point: the Constitution states in Amendment 21 -- ratified in 1933 and beyond any argument part of our Constitution -- that states get to make all the rules about the transportation or importation of liquor into their jurisdiction. You may not like this rule, but it is beyond any serious argument our law. A state that uses this power in a stupid way is not acting in any sense "unconstitutionally". Supporters of this bill can be called "dumb" or "bought and paid for" or other unkind things. But I fail to see how exercising a constitutional right can be a crime against the constitution. [... ugly stuff about "soft targets"] It ill behooves participants in a democracy to either advocate or even tolerate or even cluck sympathetically at mass murder for political ends. This way lies Bosnia. A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) Associate Professor of Law | "Cyberspace" is not a place. U. Miami School of Law | [No email to foil spam] P.O. Box 248087 | http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | It's warm here.

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List of Explosives
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The correct URL for the latest ATF list of explosives: http://jya.com/atf042597.xt

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hidden.net temporarily down
by Patrick May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The magic smoke escaped from the machine running remailer(a)hidden.net. It is being moved to a new machine forthwith. Expect a couple days downtime while the IP address change propogates. remailer-admin(a)hidden.net

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Re: Mondex
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[unt] May is a pimply dweeb sitting at a computer chortling at his own imagined cleverness. ||||||||||| \~0/ \0~/ < (0) > --oOO--/|||\--OOo- Tim C[unt] May

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Re: War & InfoWar
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger wrote: > Of course, you have your own definintion of innocenent bystanders, >while others may have different definitions. .......................................................... To me, an innocent bystander would be someone who was walking by a building which was blown up by someone with a grudge against its occupants. You lose the point of your attack when you kill those who do not relate to the reason for your attack. "To save the village, we had to destroy it." .. Blanc

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Money orders, debit cards, ...
by daw＠cs.berkeley.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some court transcripts from the McVeigh case contain interesting information about real-life anonymous systems. See http://www.cnn.com/US/9703/okc.trial/transcripts/may/050697.eve.html Did you know that money orders are not so anonymous as you might think? On the order itself are digits identifying the post office where the order was purchased, as well as the date of purchase. Also, a private company testified on their money order service, and it comes out that they keep a computerized record of every money order purchase in a central database. Eek. And read about a real-life instance of traffic analysis of phone calls based on timing correlations. This one really happened, folks (though it was by mistake). Also, read about how a company offering prepaid debit cards searched through billions of records to find all phone calls to or from a certain number, etc. Read about how they entered a disk containing information on 100,000--200,000 phone calls (!) into evidence. (Note: contents of calls are protected by law, but traffic analysis specifically is allowed, far as I can tell.) And you value your privacy? Too bad!

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17 Dec '03

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INFORMATION
by twinsvideo＠infosel.net.mx 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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HACKERS SMASH U.S. GOVERNMENT ENCRYPTION STANDARD
by sameer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

C2Net Software, Inc. 1212 Broadway Oakland, CA 94612 510-986-8770 For Immediate Release HACKERS SMASH U.S. GOVERNMENT ENCRYPTION STANDARD Oakland, California (June 18, 1997)-The 56-bit DES encryption standard, long claimed "adequate" by the U.S. Government, was shattered yesterday using an ordinary Pentium personal computer operated by Michael K. Sanders, an employee of iNetZ, a Salt Lake City, Utah-based online commerce provider. Sanders was part of a loosely organized group of computer users responding to the "RSA $10,000 DES Challenge." The code-breaking group distributed computer software over the Internet for harnessing idle moments of computers around the world to perform a 'brute force' attack on the encrypted data. "That DES can be broken so quickly should send a chill through the heart of anyone relying on it for secure communications," said Sameer Parekh, one of the group's participants and president of C2Net Software, an Internet encryption provider headquartered in Oakland, California (http://www.c2.net/) "Unfortunately, most people today using the Internet assume the browser software is performing secure communications when an image of a lock or a key appears on the screen. Obviously, that is not true when the encryption scheme is 56-bit DES," he said. INetZ vice president Jon Gay said "We hope that this will encourage people to demand the highest available encryption security, such as the 128-bit security provided by C2Net's Stronghold product, rather than the weak 56-bit ciphers used in many other platforms." Many browser programs have been crippled to use an even weaker, 40-bit cipher, because that is the maximum encryption level the U.S. government has approved for export. "People located within the US can obtain more secure browser software, but that usually involves submitting an affidavit of eligibility, which many people have not done," said Parekh. "Strong encryption is not allowed to be exported from the U.S., making it harder for people and businesses in international locations to communicate securely," he explained. According to computer security expert Ian Goldberg, "This effort emphasizes that security systems based on 56-bit DES or "export-quality" cryptography are out-of-date, and should be phased out. Certainly no new systems should be designed with such weak encryption.'' Goldberg is a member of the University of California at Berkeley's ISAAC group, which discovered a serious security flaw in the popular Netscape Navigator web browser software. The 56-bit DES cipher was broken in 5 months, significantly faster than the hundreds of years thought to be required when DES was adopted as a national standard in 1977. The weakness of DES can be traced to its "key length," the number of binary digits (or "bits") used in its encryption algorithm. "Export grade" 40-bit encryption schemes can be broken in less than an hour, presenting serious security risks for companies seeking to protect sensitive information, especially those whose competitors might receive code-breaking assistance from foreign governments. According to Parekh, today's common desktop computers are tremendously more powerful than any computer that existed when DES was created. "Using inexpensive (under $1000) computers, the group was able to crack DES in a very short time," he noted. "Anyone with the resources and motivation to employ modern "massively parallel" supercomputers for the task can break 56-bit DES ciphers even faster, and those types of advanced technologies will soon be present in common desktop systems, providing the keys to DES to virtually everyone in just a few more years." 56-bit DES uses a 56-bit key, but most security experts today consider a minimum key length of 128 bits to be necessary for secure encryption. Mathematically, breaking a 56-bit cipher requires just 65,000 times more work than breaking a 40-bit cipher. Breaking a 128-bit cipher requires 4.7 trillion billion times as much work as one using 56 bits, providing considerable protection against brute-force attacks and technical progress. C2Net is the leading worldwide provider of uncompromised Internet security software. C2Net's encryption products are developed entirely outside the United States, allowing the firm to offer full-strength cryptography solutions for international communications and commerce. "Our products offer the highest levels of security available today. We refuse to sell weak products that might provide a false sense of security and create easy targets for foreign governments, criminals, and bored college students," said Parekh. "We also oppose so-called "key escrow" plans that would put everyone's cryptography keys in a few centralized locations where they can be stolen and sold to the highest bidder," he added. C2Net's products include the Stronghold secure web server and SafePassage Web Proxy, an enhancement that adds full-strength encryption to any security-crippled "export grade" web browser software. # # # Pentium is a registered trademark of Intel Corporation. Netscape and Netscape Navigator are registered trademarks of Netscape Communications Corporation Stronghold and SafePassage are trademarks of C2Net Software, Inc.

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