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Monkey Wrench into the works
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Reply-To: "Myron Lewis" <mrlewis(a)keygen.com> From: "Myron Lewis" <mrlewis(a)keygen.com> To: "Robert Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: Monkey Wrench into the works Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:25:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 We communicated today about the DCSB luncheon at the Harvard Club and I have been looking at some of the e$pam traffic. I am somewhat amused because our company is about to throw a monstrous perturbation into Public-Private Key encryption. We invite you and everyone on the list (Please send this invitation out to them as the info on how to do that didn't come through.) to visit the KeyGen webpage, www.KeyGen.com and learn about Automatic Synchronized KeyGeneration(TM). If you think you recognize it as something you have seen before, you're close but wrong. We are obviously biased, but we feel strongly and so do many others, that ASK will solve many of the security problems presently under discussion. In time, it will probably sink Key Management and Certificate Authorities. We welcome everyone's comments as long as they keep an open mind and don't feel cemented in to key management. I would like to respond to your request for speakers and offer to speak at one of the luncheons about Automatic Synchronized KeyGeneration. Regards, Myron Lewis President KeyGen Corporation The Key to Secure Communications --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Welfare / Norplant
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Several years ago I came up with a little variation on the Welfare Mother problem which I thought was a lot more palatable. Offer a 'birthday present' program, under which *any* female over the age of 11 who has not yet had a child or become pregnant, on her birthday, gets a cash award. The award should be high enough to encourage participation; $250 seems about right. A woman who can deliberatly turn down a $250 lump sum every year for the rest of her life is almost certainly able to afford to raise a child. This scheme: * Is entirely voluntary; no one has to use contraceptives, stay off welfare, or anything else. * Targets young women who would be likely to become 'welfare mothers'. The parents of such young women would be highly motivated to have their dependent daughters participate. I haven't worked out the costs, but suspect that the net savings would be quite substantial. Peter Trei trei(a)Process.com Disclaimer: The above is my personal opinion. I dont suggest that any other person or oganization shares it.

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FC97: Post-strike airfares
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One more datablip about FC97 and I'll shut up a bit. Having just promised gratuitously cheap airfares to Anguilla/St. Maarten, I went and called the local branch of American Express Travel and got some actual prices. Their number is 617-868-2600, but AEXP-T has branches everywhere, and, I think, an 800 number, so you might want to get ahold of them that way... Anyway, here's what I got, as of about 20 minutes ago: For departures 2/22/97 with return 3/1/97, Boston Anguilla $ 864 Boston St. Maarten 851 (+ Taxi and short ferry ride to Anguilla) San Francisco Anguilla 828 San Francisco St. Maarten 748 Heathrow Anguilla 1,315 (looks like the strike didn't affect you folks, sorry) All in all, that's as good as the prices we were getting for 14 day advance purchase earlier this month. Not bad, but not completely spectacular. Note that it's cheaper to get to Anguilla or St. Maarten from San Francisco than it is from Boston, so y'all don't have an excuse. Well, possibly seat fatigue, but Sunday on the beach will fix that. I'll check tomorrow to see if the airline yield management software war gives us something better after the weekend's over. Only if fares are significantly lower will I post something here about it, in the interest of nomex conservation. :-). If you *do* decide to fly while the seats are hot, don't forget to register for FC97 first, so we can plan for meals and stuff: <http://www.offshore.com.ai/fc97/> Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/

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Re: Forbes article on Financial Cryptography is coming
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

All right! Congrats to all. Hail, to Sameer the Overthrower. And to Adam Shostack, now daily distinguished bullseye spit-eye at bug-eyed authority. Hettinga and Greenspan, assuring the end of greenbacks, uh huh.

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Re: Welfare / Norplant
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter Trei wrote: >This scheme: [...] >* Targets young women who would be likely to become 'welfare > mothers'. The parents of such young women would be highly > motivated to have their dependent daughters participate. ................................................... Perhaps so. But it reminds me of a statement I heard in the movie "The Last of the Mohicans": "Sir, I would rather be guilty of the most grievous error of judgement, than forfeit authority over my decisions." I don't think it wise to encourage young women to allow themselves to be swayed to move in directions which others prepare for them. It would be of greater benefit - to them primarily and secondarily to their community - that they be instructed on matters of Life in the Real World, and on the manner of strengthening their resolve against any kind of external persuasions. This would include the sexual advances of males who have no plans to deal with the consequences of their impregnations. .. Blanc

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Re: Moderation experiment and moderator liability (fwd)
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, Adam has assembled a pretty good history of recent events. The following comments only cover some of the issues raised by Adam. It should not be assumed that I agree with all the statements upon which I do not comment. I have limited myself to commenting on only a few issues with which I am in dispute. On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Adam Back wrote: > Events: > 9. John made a post to the list announcing that the list would be > moderated for one month from Jan 11 as an experiment, and included > Sandy Sandfort's proposed moderatation policy and offer to act as > moderator. It appeared that the moderation experiment was Sandy's > suggestion, and that John had agreed to go along with it. Moderation was my suggestion, but the moderation policy was not. My suggestion was quite different. In a nutshell I wanted to: a. Limit posts to list members only. b. Promote civility on the list by applying sanction to list members who repeatedly flamed or otherwise breached civil decorum. c. Provide for anonymous or non-member posts by having volunteers act as "gateways" who would forward anonymous--but civil--posts to the list. Curiously, in a subsequent telephone conversation, Tim May proposed almost that exact suggestion as an alternative form of moderation that he said would have been acceptable to him. Go figure. > 21. Tim received a warning from C2Net's lawyers that if he did not > desist from mentioning that Dimitri had posted an article criticising > a C2Net product that he would be sued! Absolutely false. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: PGP5i supports RSA keys?
by John Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>TWAK! > >Barring a _severe_ breakthrough in the entire nature of computing, >you still >need at least 1 atom to store one bit of information. It would take >more >computing power than all the atoms in the world, with the ability to >store 1 bit >on a atom and other dazzling feats of miniaturization, to crack a >2048 bit key >barring algorithmic breakthrough. TWOK! Au contraire, mon ami... Breaking a 2048 bit key is approximately 1E16 (10 to the 16th power) harder than breaking a 512 bit key. The RSA-129 factoring effort broke a key of approximately 430 bits using about 6,000 MIPS years. That is about 2E17 instructions. Some estimates are that with current algorithms, a 512 bit key could be broken with not too much more work. If so, the total work to factor a 2048 bit key would be roughly 1E33 instructions. Eric Drexler estimates that with nanotech, it should be possible to create a 1 GHz processer that fits in 1/8 of a cubic micron. It would take 1E24 such processors to factor a 2048 bit number. If we wanted to factor that 2048 bit key in 1E6 seconds, a couple of weeks, we would need 1E18 processors, which would fit in a cube 100,000 microns on a side. This is 10 cm on a side, about the volume of a soccer ball. A far cry from the whole earth, no? "John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Anonymous CU-SeeMe reflector
by Thomas Grant Edwards 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If anybody has worked on or is interested in working on creating an anonymous CU-SeeMe reflector, please contact me (where anonymous in this case means that CU-SeeMe clients do not report the proper IP numbers of other clients). I've done a bit of work on it but can't quite get "normal" reflector behaviour. -Thomas Edwards

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Re: The Science Generations, II
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: azur(a)netcom.com (Steve Schear) >Regarding amateur experiments with 'real' rockets, the Fed have passed a >plethora of laws effectively resticting what non-governmental bodies may >investigate. See 14 CFR PART 101, 22 CFR Sec. 121.16 and 49 CFR Sec. >173.88. I guess I can't play with matches anymore. Thank you Congress. What precisely do those laws say? As a scientist, I have somewhat of an interest in such subjects, and I don't have very good access to legal databases. (For instance, I tried the Library of Congress search system for laws passed since 1973... and the thing's indexed by _title_ of legislation, not the more standard designation you gave...). Thanks, -Allen

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Re: When and where?
by Jeremiah A Blatz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- camcc(a)abraxis.com (Alec) writes: > Please post the date when this list will shift to Usenet if that is indeed to > happen. I have not been able to sort out the facts (?) from the speculation, > argument, and gas. > > I have requested my ISP to add alt.cypherpunks to the mail server asap. I hope you misspelled "news server." alt.cypherpunks (and subgroups) is a newsgroup. > I don't want to miss a second of the resurrected (or is that born again?) > c'punks. You should join one of the distributed mailing lists (choose the list admin you like/trust the most). There is supposed to be a gateway between the mailing list and the newsgroup, but it is not up yet. Here's the overview: cypherpunks(a)toad.com is going away. In its place is a distributed forum. This forum is currently made up of a network of mailing lists, which send all their messages to each other. In the future, the newsgroup alt.cypherpunks will be added to this network (posts to the newsgroup go to the mailing lists, mail to the lists goes to the newsgroup). The mailing lists will be faster than the newsgroup, the newsgroup will probably let you use better filtering tools. Your choice. HTH, Jer "standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole (Cool, "newsgroup" is the first word in four consecutive lines. I did not do this on purpose, even.) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMwe7G8kz/YzIV3P5AQE/lwMAl9FsFoIKk8KF87nDUfczmO3dxo4bDANe bxaF9/daqiyR+Ck8vuTZw7YNc0DrsmEDY+Mr0WMuUrcybngagIxsQyuo56jETdLC T93ixsHuO7jhW4075ipfH/5MWMkI1zKz =G83r -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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