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What is AOL
by Twenty1CC＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Found in rec.homor.funny.reruns >From rec.arts.sf.written, in a thread entitled "What is AOL?" > An organization set up to give Internetters someone to make ethnic jokes > about. > > -- > Arthur D. Hlavaty hlavaty(a)panix.com

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Internet is a dog named Toto
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Keep thought: If the Internet were a dog, it might be named Toto. Like that little yapper in the famous film whose bark had some bite, the Internet is yanking back the curtains and exposing the powers that be for what they are: big-mouthed, fast-talking "wizards" about to be run out of town." (from http://www.business2.com/articles/issue1.html) For some reason when I read this paragraph, it had an oddly strange parallel meaning. ;) Matt

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:24:02 -0700 > Jim Choate wrote: > > The reality is that we don't live in a free-market, but > > rather a rather lightly regulated one. > > Lightly? You jest. No I don't. I can start a business for as little as $15 to register a DBA and I don't need licenses or other sorts of regulatory permissions. If I sell a product or service (some are exempt, check your local area) I'll need a tax number to pay my state sales tax (though they do nothing to regulate my business other than specify that I must pay x% of my sales to the community). Getting that tax number is free. Outside of that (at least in Texas) I'm ready to go. Yep, that's a lot of regulation, no forms or permission slips from some in loco parentis, no reports or annual fees. > No, we certainly don't live in a free market, we have > a mixed economy. We *should* have a free market, No we shouldn't. The fact that monopolies can exist in this lightly regulated economy is ample evidence that the non-regulated or free-market theory is nothing more than another pie-in-the-sky utopian dream. Unrealistic and unrealizable. If you seriously think this is a heavily regulated market you should do more research into such places as Nazi Germany, Russia, China, etc. > are much more destructive and pervasive than any potential abuses by > market leaders. Monopolies are monopolies, claiming that they will be less abusive in a regulated market than in a free-market just demonstrates a lack of understanding of basic human instincts. You are claiming that if we do away with the food regulations that McDonalds will be *more* concerned about their meat being cooked thoroughly then you obviously don't understand people who chase the bottem line to the exclusion of all else. > Also, the latter abuses are naturally corrected by > competition, If a market monopolizes there is *NO* competition. If the market is one that takes a large investment in intellectual or capital materials then there won't be any opportunity to even attempt to start a competitive venture. > The answer for establishing "rules" which insure "fairness," such as Fairness is about the consumer, not the manufacturer. This misunderstanding (if not intentional misdirection) by free-market mavens is at least one indication why it won't work. > competition. Make it a contractually issue and not a criminal one, Contractual with who? > reputation for punishment instead of life and liberty, Businesses are neither alive nor do they enjoy liberty. Don't confuse people with systems and objects. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > No Netscape on NT or 95/98 is no where near as stable as > on a Linux or Solaris box (the two that I use most). Correct me if I am wrong or if this has changed since they went open-source, but AFAIK Mozilla's Windows and Unix codebases were entirely independent and separately developed, so I'm not sure what conclusions you can draw from that. > Yep, that explains why my NT's have to be rebooted almost daily > because of various issues and my various unix boxes go for weeks Again, let's leave the OS wars off this list. I've had NT machines up for several months and down only for patches and upgrades. But Netscape pissed me off so severely during the version 2.x plethora of releases with their alpha-quality javascript that I've not used it since, so I cannot comment on its current [in]stability. Matt

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > > Lightly? You jest. > > No I don't. I can start a business for as little as $15 to > register a DBA and I don't need licenses or other sorts of > regulatory permissions. And you would be stupid to expose yourself to full liability. Regulation includes much more than licensing and registration. Try hiring a couple employees, paying freelance individuals, setup office space, get yourself a company car and do your fed income taxes. Lightly regulated my ass. If they enforced every word of every code strongly and literally it would be nearly impossible to conduct business. > No we shouldn't. The fact that monopolies can exist in this > lightly regulated economy is ample evidence Bullshit, monopolies exist because of the regulation. > If you seriously think this is a heavily regulated market you > should do more research into such places as Nazi Germany, > Russia, China, etc. Bullshit again, there is a *big* difference between a regulated market (mixed capitalist/socialist economy) and a command economy. So because we don't live in Soviet Russia we should all bend over and take it? > Monopolies are monopolies, claiming that they will be less > abusive in a regulated market than in a free-market just Coercive power takes form via regulation. Without it a bad monopoly is a short-lived one. > You are claiming that if we do away with the food > regulations that McDonalds will be *more* concerned > about their meat being cooked thoroughly then you Liability, liability, liability. Regulation often promotes bad practice as businesses comply with minimum regulation and nothing more instead of thinking for themselves. What is worse is government often shields companies from liability. > If a market monopolizes there is *NO* competition. How do you prevent potential competition? Monopoly means both the absence of existing and potential competition and alternatives. > If the market is one that takes a large investment in > intellectual or capital materials then there > won't be any opportunity to even attempt to start a > competitive venture. A fluid capital market can finance even the largest of ventures if the potential return is there. Different markets have different time schedules, but competition can and will come. Intellectual Property enforcement is an act of government, it is a force monopoly, only just and reasonable IP laws limit it. Notice that, bad laws = bad monopoly, good laws = balanced environment, no laws = no monopoly. The last of which is not necessarily preferable in this case, and is a fundamental difference in laissez-faire Vs anarchy. > Fairness is about the consumer, not the manufacturer. You have an odd definition of fair. You cannot have fair for the benefit of one at the expense of another. > Contractual with who? With whomever is a part of the framework. > > reputation for punishment instead of life and liberty, > > Businesses are neither alive nor do they enjoy liberty. Don't > confuse people with systems and objects. No, do not strip the person from the businesses. A group of people do not lose any of the rights and liberty of a single individual, neither do they gain any. Businesses are people. Commerce is a fundamental right, in order to survive you must be able to create and dispose of that creation. The lack of the *individual's* right to freely and easily pursue any and all business pursuits to any degree is an act of enslavement of the individual to corporate aristocracy and bureaucratic whim. Matt

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:30:14 -0700 > And you would be stupid to expose yourself to full liability. No, being a single proprietorship isn't stupid. It may not be something you like but it isn't stupid. I will agree that depending on the size and type of business it isn't always the best way, but then being a multi-national incorporation isn't the best way to do local contract work for SOHO's (for example) either. > Regulation includes much more than licensing and registration. Try > hiring a couple employees, As long as it's only two I don't have to worry about federal regulations and such, they only kick in when I hire 3 or more. > paying freelance individuals, Hand them their 1099's and they're out the door. I just pay them whatever I agreed (gross before taxes) and the 1099 is *their* promise to deal with the taxes. > setup office space, Sign a lease and wallah. > get yourself a company car All I need for that is a DBA, can even open bank accounts and get credit cards in the company name with nothing but a DL and that DBA. > and do your fed income taxes. As a single proprietorship I do my taxes the same old way I always did them except I must include the SE documents which only add a few pages. If I do the contract work via 1099's (which says that the contractor is responsbile for the taxes on that income) all I have to show is the gross amount paid to that contract person. > If they enforced every word of every code strongly and > literally it would be nearly impossible to conduct business. No, it wouldn't. For example I do contract work for small office - home office companies (generaly 10 or less employees total). I write software, install software, train, repair hardware, do upgrades, etc. and there are literaly NO regulations at any level on those activities outside those imposed by 1099's for sub-contractors (who work their own hours and must provide their own tools) and the contract I and the customer agree to. If I buy something for a customer I pass the receipt along to them and get reimbursed for my time (on a seperate receipt) and the exact amount for the items purchased (I am acting as their agent and not a reseller) so I don't even need a tax number technicaly (since I don't pay state sales tax on labor costs and am not selling them the items purchased). All I need is a $15 DBA and a bunch of blank 1099's. Why do cities and states require licenses on such things as air conditioning or auto mechanics? Because for years there were no licenses required and anybody could do it. After enough decades of scam artists, poorly run business who cost customers money because they went out of business without doing the work, or they did sub-standard (as defined by the practitioners of that activity) work. I challenge you to find an example where a state or federal regulation was imposed before the industry matured. > Bullshit, monopolies exist because of the regulation. No, monopolies exist because people are greedy and want to own everything. History is full of examples where industries were unregulated (ever read Upton Sinclair?) and abused the employees and the market and as a result regulation was imposed. It's interesting that free-market mavens never seem to mention that the vast majority of monopoly examples occured *before* industry regulation was imposed. Even in the Microsoft case, it's only now that they've grown so big and become so porous about information that the government has stepped in and begun asking "has the industry matured to the point where continued non-regulation is a detriment because it allows hording of industry resources?" Even if we were to de-regulate the clothing industry for example it is highly unlikely that child labor and sweat shops would become less prevalent. Of course I'd like to see your evidence to the contrary. "Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it" Santyana > Bullshit again, there is a *big* difference between a regulated market > (mixed capitalist/socialist economy) and a command economy. So because > we don't live in Soviet Russia we should all bend over and take it? A regulated market is something that has regulation imposed from the outside (ie besides the supplier and consumer). There are certainly different kinds of regulated economies just like there are different kinds of mammals. But to say that Zebra's aren't mammals because they don't look like an Aardvark is a dis-serivice. You, and every other free-market maven, have yet to demonstrate with historical example that free-market works. > Coercive power takes form via regulation. Without it a bad monopoly is a > short-lived one. Tell that to the rail-roads of the mid to late 1800's, the meat packing industry of the late 1800's and early 1900's. The sweat houses of the garment industry since the early 1800's, etc. No sir, history doesn't support your proposition at all. > Liability, liability, liability. Regulation often promotes bad practice > as businesses comply with minimum regulation and nothing more instead of > thinking for themselves. What is worse is government often shields > companies from liability. See above examples. Hell, take a look at the wet pet food market now for a perfect example of why non-regulation is a bad thing and why liability and other such buzz words don't work in the real world. And you were wondering why your little toodles was loosing her hair, was always excited and aggitated and has the health of a pet 3-4 years older than the chronological age... Bottem line, in a free market (no regulation other than consumer and supplier) there are no controlling mechanisms and no recourse for the consumer because they have nothing to demonstrate even an implied warranty or liability of manufacturer (read software licenses to see how this can be side stepped easily, hint: imagine a software license on the side of a can of beans.). ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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