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Re: Snake Oil on the Water...
by Lou Zirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: dsmith(a)prairienet.org, richieb(a)teleport.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com, secure(a)commtouch.com Date: Mon Jun 17 16:44:10 1996 Pronto Secure, currently in beta 6.16, is shaping up as a fine all-inclusive mail package that supports PGP. You might want to take a look at it at: Beta Testers residing in the USA are invited to download the beta from: http://www.commtouch.com/secus/secus1.htm Non US residents should download from: http://www.commtouch.com/secnon/secintl1.htm I have been with it since beta 1 and it definately has come a long way. Platforms supported are the MS GUI. It is a 16-bit app. I currently run it under NT 3.51 w/ 32-bit PGP executables. Take a look. Lou Z. Lou Zirko (502)383-2175 Zystems lzirko(a)c2.org "We're all bozos on this bus" - Nick Danger, Third Eye -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQEVAwUBMcXR4ctPRTNbb5z9AQH8Tgf/aCWChVMTKFyv+NpADQqosnMO2C7EAj/Z o+O2KwQ91YVaRpkmJjrHzQuP+ou6YKHi5hH9SLRbN5Ox4/8YMmaOIRjqOrTmgta8 +fMBAtJ01AyWW9ZZh0sfEqM32RQ8Pt+x2Q8+MuyuEU/9vaeGhbb7DksGA8y2ht/5 uDKBUtrGgxAS7Yr2VRJVJXNd1b7eFdKGFUhBJJo9ig11/ICHcXVbUqpQ9Iqi2aRT hoRRVtiMawCJznXaYid+2fami/pgtq/i00kV9y4ge3TOooxM4KZB3LZziCbS8R4d AfaG9dj0wP50/zDhFxdExVc6NbQzTyr3kY+4z/47qkIZZ3wn5paezw== =FO3b -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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San Diego Cypherpunks Physical Meeting
by Chris Claborne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

San Diego Area CPUNKS symposium Thursday, June 20th, 1996 Invitation to all Cypherpunks to join the San Diego crowd at "The Mission Cafe & Coffee Shop" were I hope to get an update of Lance Cottrell's anonymous e-mail server, "mixmaster", exchange keys, and discuss other topical CP stuff. There's always the semi-topical discussions; Internet Service Provider in San Diego (providing, anonymous remailers and other privacy services), stelth communications, latest Cypherpunk goings-on, Internet happenings (like recent Federal court decision). Don't forget to bring your public key fingerprint. If you can figure out how to get it on the back of a business card, that would be cool. Place: The Mission Cafe & Coffee Shop 3795 Mission Bl in Mission Beach. 488-9060 Time:1800 Their Directions: 8 west to Mission Beach Ingram Exit Take west mission bay drive Go right on Mission Blvd. On the corner of San Jose and mission blvd. It is located between roller coaster and garnett. It's kind of 40s looking building... funky looking (their description, not mine) They serve stuff to eat, coffee stuff, and beer. See you there! New guy, bring your key fingerprint. Drop me a note if you plan to attend. 2 -- C -- ... __o .. -\<, Chris.Claborne(a)SanDiegoCA.NCR .Com ...(*)/(*). CI$: 76340.2422 http://bordeaux.sandiegoca.ncr.com/ PGP Pub Key fingerprint = 7E BF 38 3F 24 A7 D1 B0 54 44 96 AA 10 D0 5D 51 Avail on Pub Key server. Dreams. They're just screen savers for the brain.

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Re: Snake Oil on the Water...
by Lou Zirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: dsmith(a)prairienet.org, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Mon Jun 17 18:59:49 1996 They have started mentioning the product on their web pages and provide a link to the beta site for sign-ups etc. Since 6.x I have not yet experienced a product crash, except with a disk full condition which was reported to them earlier today. BTW, would you be interested in setting up a secure channel for testing? Lou Z. Lou Zirko (502)383-2175 Zystems lzirko(a)c2.org "We're all bozos on this bus" - Nick Danger, Third Eye -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQEVAwUBMcXxrctPRTNbb5z9AQGfwAgAn7PYnixstxM13Bm6/VTEJp0J7b7e4kh8 evPhPIrsfgWskZzQY/YJtNtaV8p7hphPMeOewGpZ/lXhuPPZeHwLWmFTx/cmX5po g8imoxfwPheHaVtj2R2mdvEyL7Xfiz/YZDJ2E9pyqN7euIrx+xPwbDVqedv87TC3 sFwJecbSpAmGwR2f5V7SrVx+uQcdQ+NzUyOhcToYRnbl7gydEyuGQpQNpn7uyi8S fpvqyoKMwU/ki6xLKIHBPmp8ZQK0AeWnOQl80oGbG7jUGveW9ESs5BwrtXSQPDlI 4SXv1T1UGlVF+DtLFgGHP5agGhl4KT+c5z4ZUTc+BzqSs5aqYmB8yA== =4txl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Royalties (was "Re: Micropayments are Crap", which is a boring s
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 17 Jun 96 at 12:45, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: [..] > 2. copyrights. the issue of copyrights is not even resolved today. > when serious cash starts to be associated with cyberspace you > are going to see a lot of incredibly agitated people, especially > lawyers. I imagine systems will evolve that are similar to > a technology that has evolved by which radio stations pay music > companies whenever they play artists songs. (if any cpunks could > elaborate on this system, I think it is an excellent preliminary > example of how a microcurrency-like system would interact with > a copyright situation). I think similar standards are going to Excellent example? I dunno. At the non-commercial station I work, once a year or every other year ASCAP or BMI, for a two week period, wants our playlists... not the usual playlists, but detailed ones which even the most anal-retentive people hate to fill out: the performer, the song writer (not always the same), album and song titles, record label, and if music is ASCAP, BMI, etc. Includes not only songs but them music, background music, etc. I don't remember the rates, but non-commercial stations pay a lower rate than commercial ones. Royalties are supposedly divied out to songwriters (and performers?) or record companies based on how much airplay they received, which I guess is averaged out for the whole year. I don't know if they survey all radio stations around the same time or space it out for different areas and different stations throughout the year. Touch luck for artists who get some airplay but not enough to make it on the lists, of course. Digital area: possibility that people will feel because it's computerized, EVERYTHING can be kept track of. This is problematic, aside from privacy reasons, because the big royalty makers get less and the smaller people get more. Parallel with experiemtal Nielson-ratings tech... a special cable box that did the monitoring for you, and even had an electronic eye that could tell if anyone was in the room, or if they were sleeping or reading the paper rather than watching... apparently every station got much lower ratings than when people generously filled out booklets, so the stations threatened to set up an alternate system, so I don't know if that system was adopted. I'm curious as to how royalities are divied up from the cassette tax, since everyone with blank casssettes is, of course, violating copyrights according to some logic. Will people want royalities for reselling? There was a flack a few years ago from some big record distributors over used CD sales. They refused to supply some of the big chains if they continued to sell used CDs without giving them a cut. Rob

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Re: Netscape Mail Security and PGP Plugins
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>However as has been mentioned here a PGP/MIME mail type could >theoretically be used to activate a handler for that incoming mail. I >don't know exactly how this would work. Glancing at the netscape plug >docs near <URL: >http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/2.0/handbook/plugins/ > it appears >that plugins are activated on HTML page downloads, not (necessarily) on >mail receipt. So unless you typically find your incoming mail on a web >page, it doesn't look like this will work. I will ask about it on >coderpunks for clarification. Netscape 2 seems to support HTML in email files. Has anyone tested it with a plugin?

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The Ultima Spy Book
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Ultimate Spy Book by H. Keith Melton (Dorling Kindersley, London) DK Publishing, New York First American edition, 1996. $29.95. ISBN 0-7894-0443-5 Over 600 illustrations of the tools and tricks of spycraft for killing, betraying, deceiving, surveilling, encrypting, decrypting, communicating, burgling, recruitment and training, fucking up and rotting in jail, and flacking spy fluff until tip-canoe-ed. --------- Eye pix of cipher devices: Kryha, Bolton, Hebern, M-94: http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~jya/cd1.jpg Hagelin's M-209 and CD-57: http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~jya/cd2.jpg Enigma: http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~jya/enigma1.jpg Enigma innards and Geheimschreiber: http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~jya/enigma2.jpg Purple: http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~jya/purple.jpg ---------- CYA: http://www.anonymizer.com

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Re: SafE Mail Corporation
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 17:21 6/17/96, M.Wagoner (1 wrote: >We would like someone to be able or should I say try and crack our >encryption. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. Sigh. Yet another one... Unless you make source code available, you will be at best ignored, and at worst sued by users of your product should they discover that your unbreakable encryption isn't so unbreakable after all. Unless you use a hardware RNG and OTPs, your statement that it is impossible to break your encryption software is simply false. Do not expect that individuals who do have clue are going to waste their time on trying to break an encryption scheme invented by someone that so obviously doesn't know what he is doing. Go back to bed. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Disclaimer: My opinions are my own.

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"Mail Exploders"
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:23 PM 6/17/96, Lucky Green wrote: >At 9:45 6/17/96, Duncan Frissell wrote: >>At 08:43 AM 6/17/96 -0400, Declan B. McCullagh wrote: >> >>>I believe we used the term "email exploder" instead of "mailing list," >>>particularly in cross-examination and closing arguments, to convey the >>>idea that such a device is often used for conversation, not just one-way >>>communication. >> >>Was this term invented during the hearings or has anyone heard of it before? > >I have heard of it before. I believe "mail exploder" is a rather old term. I haven't heard the term in many a year, but it fits with the "Internet = explosives instructions" slant in popular opinion. "Those nerds are getting their revenge by developing "mail exploders" and spreading mayhem across the Net." I wonder where they got their technical information? --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: alpha.c2.org in deep shit?
by sdudar＠solutions.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Huh? At 06:14 PM 6/16/96 -0500, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- >Version: 2.6.2 > >hIwDSReYoIbc3PkBA/9xblBrrofx89t5QoJVwCyGB/+futdCXEolwcsQdwWGcDtc >7Vn7orCB8v6iQO+sCgAlYf38ftUxGmzebDd/7eWodTGx8XKnzBIZ9E6bRS38XLRa >XDaipoiNRDi7gX2DA5ADtshTLtUiCjaYurGxGEla2iIMrEacGEyyekdZpUYT1KYA >AAJ17fM4D2X8vpKTtWLr/6REeQvxPU80FpWKa/q1b6wMZ43oG9ZolMONj65hWqX0 >mhY+wp/vUsvQ21P/9VzYF0sy9JIAr45VhoDZBBCG0UW23WoOInXko2Kl2UeZmrut >xR/nZm1sMzU+XYr7QG17aOfeezRs/frYEpvuAbrWYNELlPH72OBJ368nSkesiTo+ >gELda7vNsD12UTEl7gRAo3WizCY2zsQySLOShEiAX7f5vYco8A6pEwJ4XYs4pGn6 >xV4JNUeMjBKGtVkGoZJln3x7W1brgGmRNQbY/dcmCkExOOp+4myRVu0/ufH7n5TO >FWqrb+nqyjgnirqS9DwoqB5JsHiMWU/dJBaCtXH4i1p//oeE9FE82nE2vAOZGMvn >D+MRnheCVRi2TWnwe44PnB+L5z7+J+YJyulGM3bvXhZukjGCAj+EMmWxqkSgc2NS >/xh6efgZNACmQIqxLdsw6TLbh9p+yMaxtaCZU9Bs9jw8dN+7FBZxgFG/hrrI1uh3 >oFahFMDXXAUMUs7lFOcxjAWTRRZKKSOG2mg5M5mr8VbY+5BQdcJJeY+jSCnDinUC >wGFfEWlZMV7sdKhzA0YkHJYBgAPtmTaxrHQidPce46FbIeYVRsUOSEtvttYpMjIz >mCVc5ywueUXbUe5UW3KrlV8uxKH3fEIEZ9Pxf3M9XR/aFXysccnzNzbe87XN8PDk >mxzsRzmoD0CgCSAGfNrTdWl8bFQGnEaweMPnSIFzbSJkRcO0oiBU4/dhEFYiPgx5 >UD2r0uFNjKPt4KFBbFJLi0mrMuOCaxjhva7i70GQ95b4qVsyOZLN5KYSUnSDxDX4 >HFUIrEI/rsw= >=BesD >-----END PGP MESSAGE----- > >

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Federal key registration agency
by tmpeters＠calvanet.calvacom.fr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Compuserve Online Today Daily Edition, 15 June 1996: Attorney General Janet Reno is advancing a plan to establish a new agency overseeing all digital encryption, saying that would make it tougher for criminals and terrorists to use the Internet to carry out crimes. Speaking to the Commonwealth Club of California in San Francisco, Reno said her plan would require people to register with the new agency the secret codes -- or "keys" -- they use to encrypt messages online. Reporting on this speech, Sandra Ann Harris of United Press International adds, "Federal authorities could then obtain the information they need to decipher the encryptions using a court order and secretly monitor electronic communication on the Internet the same way wiretaps are used to monitor telephone conversations of suspected criminals." Reno added, "We look only to make existing law apply to new technology," adding new computer programs designed to crack the new complicated encryptions take too long to be useful to law enforcement. "Some of our most important prosecutions have depended on wire taps." She also said registration of keys might end up being a worldwide requirement, since the Internet is used increasingly for international communication, commerce, and criminal enterprise. Reno told the group that effectively regulting electronic encryption will depend on fiding a blance between protecting privacy interests while stopping criminals from cashing in on the new technology. "If we do our job right citizens will enjoy the Information Age without being victimized" by high technology, Reno said. United Press International Charles Bowen

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