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Re: Job for netescrow ? (was Secure anonymouse server protocol...
by peter.allan＠aeat.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam and Matt put my casual remark under the grill: Peter Allan <peter.allan(a)aeat.co.uk> writes on cpunks: > [Matt Blaze's Oblivious Key Escrow paper] ftp://ftp.research.att.com/dist/mab/netescrow.ps > > This all hinges on a policy to be followed by archive holders defining > the conditions under which they release their shares. > This could be receipt of a signed request from the owner (remailer). > > Maybe the table relating nyms to reply addresses could be stored in > netescrow style so that captured remailers reveal nothing. The problem > of operator coercion is not addressed by this. Adam: > Just to clarify, if I understand correctly you are proposing a penet > style system with the database held in `netescrow'. Yes. What I had in mind resembled the split list scheme used at a church I used to go to. UK tax law has concessions for regular giving (Covenants, in the jargon) and the church needed to know that comittments were being met. At the same time it was preferred not to know who was giving what. This was done by having 2 lists eg Namelist: Mr J Smith = member 999 Cashlist: member 999 gives 1000 / month If member 999 didn't give as planned, cashlist-holder could say to namelist-holder "have a word with 999". These were held by 2 people, trusted not to collude. Also I suppose committee reshuffles shouldn't put one person straight into the other post. My idea was to replicate this split list so that addrlist: leukos.gleukos(a)c2.org = index97b6150200000564 nymlist: index97b6150200000564 = an0001002304000101(a)this.remailer This would be altered for the remailer table as: addlist: leukos.gleukos(a)c2.org = index97b6150200000564 addlist: an0001002304000101(a)this.remailer = index97b6150200400281 and these 2 mappings would be escrowed: index97b6150200000564 -> index97b6150200400281 index97b6150200400281 -> index97b6150200000564 (Or just escrow the _keys_ for the latter, as Matt first thought.) > However the aim is not to prevent others > censoring your publically available writings, but to allow a second > avenue of access only in the case of `mob cryptography'. The aim is to prevent a seized remailer having its data read. The "angry mob cryptanalysis" is a side issue. > If the police are unsucessful (seems likely) does this offer the > operator much solice in his jail time for contempt of court, to > know that he has a vote of confidence in the moral correctness of > his decision from a population of the net? > Does it offer him any legal benefit? Are the share holders guilty > of contempt also, does this lessen his guilt, and harshness of > prosecution? (Remember that the share holders' identity and > location are unknown to the operator... > I'm not sure how useful this part is, unless the possibility of > `mob cryptography' is the desired feature. I'd have thought an > individual remailer operator would be more likely to fold than a > group of anonymous crypto-anarchists. I did say this didn't address operator coercion. The widespread cross-jurisdiction aspects of netescrow will be important here. Capture of hardware without scope for operator coercion would be protected against - but is an easy problem anyway. > 2. You could add the twist of an alternative duress key, that would > stand a real chance of successfully nuking the database. More > satisfying. I was thinking of calling this the "shredder ticket" and giving it to the sender (who can then distribute it to all remaining remailers without needing to use the seized one). This would depend on him realising that the remailer was (about to be) seized, and would have to be done before the enemy rounded up the shares. [Incidentally I'm not that keen on regarding the police as the enemy. My mention of "angry mob cryptanalysis" in the event of a crime was to show that it was not the ideal vehicle for crime. But then maybe I'm a statist pig.] In any case it would be necessary to > 3. Negative comment on the system: TLAs have a vested interest in > themselves being most of the share holders. True of the ownership > of the current remailers also of course. > The widespread cross-jurisdiction aspects of netescrow will be important here. (Perhaps including compulsory cross-border secret reassembly. ) I was envisaging this being combined with Mixmaster. (I see from your Eternity post that you'd run a netescrow scheme that way.) This gives us "vertical integration" a sort of "of the remailers, by the remailers and for the remailers". Careful design of message formats could make it hard to tell the escrow mechanics from the traffic. To mount this collusion attack the TLAs would have to be part of the scheme - helping to pass most anonymous messages in order to trace some random ones, not necessarily those they want to trace. (If there was nothing in it for them they wouldn't join.) (Compare that to the current state quoted as near as I can remember from AC2 "It seems reasonable to assume that the NSA can break any message that it intercepts, but not all messages") It takes time to collect the shares and determine the next destination, during this time the message is sat in a pool. (Is there scope for traffic analysis in the fact that the average speed of messages will be lower than that of shares ?) With that in mind I was looking at the scope for cheating. Cheating seems possible by: 1) Collusion (as mentioned) 2) Not releasing (valid) shares when requested This can be caught by traps. The list of where the shares went is usually destroyed, but need not be. The shareholders are none the wiser, and when they get known for not releasing shares the remailer excludes them from future share issues. 3) Flooding attacks - storing rubbish in escrow servers who are eventually forced to accept no more shares, or ditch some existing ones. So far as I can see Matt's Netescrow scheme has exactly this problem. Ecash payments might help. If existing shares are ditched the reply-ability will not last long. You might get a message you can reply to for 2 weeks, but no later. Sender might resend periodically - a bit like following up an unanswered snail mail. > At the same time it would provide an argument against GAK, all > legitimate (in the publics eyes, what other opinions count, this is a > democracy isn't it) law enforcement needs met. As in the last sentence or so of the OKE paper. Matt: > My original idea for OKE was as a way to backup long-term, > slow-changing sensitive data without also introducing a single point > of failure for either security or availability. The remailer model is > a bit different, and I'm not sure it's a good fit, in particular > because I haven't thought about the various new failure modes in this > application. But let me think ``out loud.'' > > So can this scheme be improved upon? Is there a better way to run a > persistent-reply-address remailer? These are interesting, and I think > largely open, questions. -- Peter Allan peter.allan(a)aeat.co.uk

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Re: [WAS xs4all.nl] Terrorists
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:32 AM 9/9/96 EDT, you wrote: >Stephan Schmidt <schmidt(a)pin.de> writes: > >> One thought : How many of you would support terrorist >> web server (say Oklahoma, TWA, Iran, Lybia, RAF, IRA, ...) ? > >http://www.terrorist.org ? > Damn! In my backyard no less! whois terrorist.org Terrorist Organization (TERRORIST2-DOM) 1525 SW 14th #4 Portland, OR 97201 US

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[less paranoid NOISE] Re: Odd Satellite observations
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ok well like I said it was just paranoid noise. So the sats can locate ships at sea. I wonder what else? At 01:58 PM 9/9/96 GMT, Jim wrote: >On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 11:45:45 -0700, I wrote: > >>I saw three satellites gliding across the sky (east to west) in >>a tight right triangle formation. The entire formation was not >>bigger than my hand at arms length. Has anyone else observed >>this? > >John: You probably saw one of the NOSS (Naval Ocean Surveillance >System) constellations. There are several of these groupings -- all >in triangular arrays. They use some form of interferometry to locate >ships at sea. > >Jim > > >

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Gary Lee Burnore, Convicted Child Molester in Raleigh, NC
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Belinda Bryan <eridani(a)databasix.com> wrote: > And let's not forget how he did exhaustive research of my posting > history in Deja News and created a summary which included the location > of my son's (former) preschool and submitted it for permanent archival > on the Netscum page. You need to be careful about posting information like that about your children, especially since there is a registered sex offender, Gary Lee Burnore <gburnore(a)databasix.com>, living in your neighborhood. Why did you post information like that publicly in the first place if you didn't want people to read it? Also, it's amazing what people can dredge up on you. One fellow was harassed by having a 10 year old California tax lien posted worldwide to usenet in an attempt to silence his dissenting opinions.

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Epilogue 3/0 - SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!!! (Now containing special advertising inserts geared toward the reader's individual interests, based on your choice of password sfor your secret encryption keys.)
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Epilogue 3/0 - SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!!! _____________________________________________ *** BIENFAIT NUTLY NEWS SPECIAL *** ********************** *** KILL THE CHILDREN !!! *** ********************** ...Oh, yeah...now I remember! TalkTV! It's a bastard-child of two forms of media--radio and television--whose parents could never truly enter into a real marriage because of slight differences in their techno-ethnic backgrounds. Nonetheless, CITV-Edmonton has a TalkTV program which is a televised radio call-in talk show.apparently designed to circumvent the potential danger of another 'War of the Worlds' fiasco resulting from the tendency of gullible Sheeple to believe everything they hear, and thus ending with them racing en-mass off the edge of a cliff because the current demand for the teaching of equality in the educational system does not allow the students to be taught that there is a difference between sheep and lemmings. [The New World Mathematical Order Equality Equations: 0 + 1 = 1 ; 1 + 2 = 1 ; 4 * 7 = 1 ; (38 -12) * (6 + 4) = 1 "Why can't we just all get a one?" ~ Rodney King, after being beaten by L.A. police for driving faster than 1 mph] These facts alone have little or no bearing on the point I am about to make, but, taken together with a giant leap of logic, they lead to the unmistakable conclusion that I am receiving secret messages from the Gods of Communication through TV, radio, email, InterNet browsers and the things pinned to the bulletin board at the local laundromat. The messages say, "KILL...KILL...KILL...KILL..." This fact in itself is not particularly troubling, nor even noteworthy, for that matter, since, as a TechnoInfoWarrior, I am free to slip into the Righteous Armour of the TruthMonger Multi-User InterNet Persona and use my massive hidden stocks of excess commas, overused capital letters and misplaced quote marks to wreak havoc upon the English language in a frenzy of random slaughter that will eventually lead to a total draining of the life-blood of meaning coursing throughout the veins of the ascii-output thrown upon the Screen of Reality (TM) which is no longer Silver, but any color that the end-user chooses it to be, with a click of a mouse-button. {I am once again losing my train of thought, here, but please bear with me, as I suspect that I will find it devilishly hiding on a side-track of the next few paragraphs.} The Jesus Futures Market--run by TOTO Enterprises in Bienfait, Saskatchewan, and backed by BlackTar Junk Bonds-- reflects the evolution of religious-faith technology into the Digital Salvation Age where Jesus becomes a true Multi-User Savior who can redeem the sins of anyone who has a credit-card number that can be used to receive a valid password from the SoulCheck Validation System that allows them access to a wide variety of Redemption sites capable of meeting their individual needs according to the nature of the Adult Sex sites they have been visiting (although the.individual Redemption WebSites reserve the right to add surcharges for the redemption of sins involving graphic reproductions of sex acts with life-forms or inanimate objects which are not covered by the Original Crucifixion). As well, the proliferation of WebSites reflecting the validity of a wide range of religious beliefs (i.e. - GodHatesFags.com, 'God's Canadian Biblical Hate Page', not to mention the ever popular http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/balaam.htm) has led end-users to the realization that they are no longer limited to the 'official' bullshit being fed to them by government, corporate, religilous and social leaders, but can actually make their own bullshit official by slapping it into HTML format, uploading it to the InterNet, and making it as valid a part of Virtual Reality as the MSNBC news URLs singing the praises of a kindlier, gentler IRS. In fact, if you can convince some other lunatics to 'Link' to your WebSite, in return for providing 'links' to the bullshit and garbage that they have made manifest from what started out as a bad case of gas from eating too many refried beans, then you have a shot at the BigTime (TM), perhaps becoming part of some Ring of Worms that will throw total strangers randomly into your own professed belief system, even if you just made it up when you were drunk and have no idea what it all means when you, yourself, read your own WebSite, yourself, even when you are drunk again (like now). So, as you can plainly see, it is equally easy to get back on track to what may have been the original point I was trying to make, by throwing a crossing-switch in your mind which links the validity of all religious beliefs, regardless of their truth, in Reality (TM) (as long as they are an HTML formatted part of the New World DisOrder arising from an unregulated InterNet), with the equal validity of believing each and every wave, bit or byte of analogue or digital information capable of knocking on the Doors of Perception, as a Message from MadDogInPossessionOfTheLastFalseSmile exhorting The Perceiver to "KILL...KILL...KILL!!!" everything that moves, and some that don't, on the theory that, since THE LIE is the 'Mother of the 10,000 Lies', whereas The Truth (TM) is hard to come by, rabidly biting them all so that they will die a slow and agonizing death (unless they get the whole series of rabies shots in time) and letting Dog sort them out will be mathematically verifiable as being in the overall best interests of WeTheSheeple, in the long run, over the long haul, on average, for the most part, despite the pathetic whining of individual survivors of The RAGE (TM) (i.e. - Fred Goldman), who selfishly petition for individual justice at the expense of the current hit-and-miss justice system which averages out (in the long run, over the long haul, for the most part) instead of just moving to Russia, if they don't like it. In short, the entrance bar on the Turnstile of the Gate Heaven has been lowered by WeTheNetizens, so that pretty much anyone can jump over it if they are short on officially recognized righteousness tokens, as long as their beliefs and actions have been validated by a single hit on their "HOW MANY DEAD BODIES DOES IT TAKE TO SPELL, 'I *TOLD* YOU I WAS CRAZY'" WebSite. Thus it follows, that MeatSpace Authorities who choose to engage InfoWarriors in battle on the physical plane are ultimately responsible for any mayhem and destruction that may result from the transmission of Digital InformationWaves (which are fairly harmless in their natural optic fiber cable environment), over the Analogue MeatSpace Medium of a human brain which has a level of electric resistance that makes it a bad conductor, leading to the buildup of the heat of inner rage that can only be released by the gentle breeze provided by the heat-reduction attachment on a rapid-fire assault rifle being fired in a suitable environment, such as a Denny's Restaurant, a Post Office, or within 500' of a school. ******** Text Only Commercial Break [I regret that the added expense of bribing my oldest nephew to lend me his laptop in order to route around the damage caused by Decent People With Family Values (TM) has forced me to rent space in the 'SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!!!' manuscripts to A-Word-A-Day, who have kindly provided me with a steady supply of excess commas, overused capital letters and misplaced quote marks gleaned from the rough drafts of their work by consciencious editors who are hoping that the Author will 'choke' on them.] ******** CAN'T POSSIBLY BE TRUE * Robert Gettman Boone, 51, was arrested at his home in a Baltimore, Md., suburb in January and charged as the man who had been firing two-foot-long, homemade bombs from his front yard, across a busy thoroughfare, to a lot behind a car wash. According to police, Boone told them, "There's nothing to get excited about," that he was "just doing some experiments with high explosives." (Later, it took authorities almost eight hours to remove all the explosives that were in his home.) * In September, police at Los Angeles International Airport stopped Mark L. Kulp, 34, at a metal detector before his flight home to East Grand Forks, Minn. In his carry-on bags, Kulp had several guns, 100 rounds of ammunition, knives, handcuffs, a ski mask, and a fake sheriff's badge. The police confiscated the equipment and detained Kulp, and even learned that he was wanted on an arrest warrant in Minnesota for threatening a police officer. However, they decided they could not arrest him because the guns were not loaded, and when Minnesota authorities declined to send anyone to bring him back, Kulp was released. BOOKS BY CHUCK SHEPHERD: The Concrete Enema and Other News of the Weird Classics by Chuck Shepherd (Andrews and McMeel, 1996, $6.95) is still available in some larger bookstores. Or you can order by mail from Atomic Books, 1018 N. Charles St., Baltimore MD 21201 (add $2 postage for the first book, $3 for two to the same address, $4 for 3, and $5 for more than 3) (credit card orders 1-800-778-6246, http://www.atomicbooks.com) Or by credit card from Andrews and McMeel, 1-800-642-6480 (they bill $2 postage per book). Also by Chuck Shepherd and available at some larger bookstores (and at Atomic Books): News of the Weird (Plume Books, 1989, $9), More News of the Weird (Plume, 1990, $9), Beyond News of the Weird (Plume, 1991, $9), and America's Least Competent Criminals (HarperPerennial, 1993, $9). (The 1989, 1990, and 1991 books were co-authored with John J. Kohut and Roland Sweet.) Chuck Shepherd does not sell books, himself. ******** We Now Return You To Our Regularly Scheduled Chaos ******** Insertion of an advertisement for publications by Chuck Shepherd, perpetrator of the News Of The Weird, in a space bought and paid for by A-Word-A-Day's Anu(s), should be taken as proof of the veracity of my long-standing claims to be a drunken, senile old fart whose inability to control either his bladder, his mind or his mouth, makes him a natural-born TruthMonger (A Subsiduary Of Bubba Rom Dos Enterprises). Speaking of which... I need to take a leak and grab another beer, so this seems as good a place as any to end this portion of the Bienfait Nutly News "KILL THE CHILDREN!!!" Special. So..."Smoke 'em if you got 'em.", grab yourself a Brewski, and write you mom an email with no capital letters or punctuation marks (in order to help save the linguistic environment from the ravaging effects of the hole in the Bozo Layer of the Author's mind, leading to the creative juices of the muse dripping down to form a bizarre mixture with his procreative, gastric and intestinal juices, resulting in a conceptual cocktail containing chaotic corruptions of linguistic manipulations which have the capacity to suck the creative juices out of both the minds and the cocks of those currently under Grand Jury investigation by Special Persecutor, Dimitri Vulis KOTM, for CypherPunks Activities.

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NOW! Talk of the Nation is discussing lack of reporting of certain news topics
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please try to call in between 12:00 and 1:00pm Pacific time to Talk of the Nation (1-800-989-TALK [8255]) to ask to talk about the lack of reporting on the EU's scuttled discussion of Echelon and NSA/FBI world wide spying! Ern

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E-Cash Poses Worldwide Banking Threat - Report 09/06/96
by Joseph M. Reagle Jr. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>PALO ALTO, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A., 1996 SEP 6 (NB) -- By Richard Bowers. >By the year 2000, consumers, businesses, governments, and >educational institutions worldwide will use electronic cash (e-cash) >for nine billion payment transactions. According to a new study by Killen >& Associates, this increase in e-cash will pose a great threat to some of >the biggest institutions in the world. > >The report specifically highlights the risk to the retail and banking >industries. Speaking to Newsbytes, a spokesperson for Killen said that >the report, which will be issued later this month, gives little solace to >the problems facing traditional retail companies. The report does >however, say that the banks can regain the leadership position in >payments by moving quickly to leverage their payment transaction >infrastructure to fully support e-cash. > >"By 2005, e-cash transactions will escalate to almost 30 billion," >stated Michael Killen, president of the market research firm. "Banks >must act quickly to leverage their position in payment services. Non- >banks see this as a new opportunity to carve further market share >away from the banking industry. All will compete for new revenue >streams including Internet-based micropayments." > >The report uses a very broad definition of e-cash including among >others; secured debit cards, phone cards, electronic checks, ATM >transactions, point of sale loans, and automated tolls. > >Using this broad definition they estimate that in 1995 there were 536 >billion non e-cash transactions worldwide compared to only 1 billion >e-cash transactions, or about .0019 percent. By the year 2005, of a >total estimated 1 trillion transactions, the report predicts 3 percent >or around 30 billion transactions will be e-cash. > >"The impact of e-cash will be widespread on both banking and >commerce," Killen added. "Opportunities will open for financial and >other product and services players, including ATM vendors such as >NCR, Diebold, and IBM; credit card authorization firms, including First >Data, Total Systems, Equifax, and National Data; ATM/POS terminal >manufacturers and network suppliers, including bank-owned >networks, American Express, Deluxe, ACS, and VeriFone; and cash >handling/cash management services firms such as ADP, GEIS, National >Data, and Brinks. Software firms that understand the enormous >system integration opportunities of adapting legacy systems to on- >line, secured environments will also benefit from the need to support >e-cash transactions." > >The report will include forecasts of the overall payments environment >and the impact of e-cash on cash, checks, credit cards, and other >electronic payment systems though the year 2005. It will also have a >section on the opportunities for new business, dislocations, and >threats to existing businesses, with emphasis on acquisition and >alliance opportunities. > >"E-cash provides the necessary payment options to support new and >low-cost products and services, including micropublishing," Killen >continued. "Information services such as AC Nielsen, Dun & Bradstreet, >and Wall Street investment and advisory firms will fill their clients' >needs for customized news. This will lead to a new understanding of >personal and commercial buying patterns, wants, and needs. >Individual consumer purchase, transaction, and life-style profiles will >be developed. Advertisers can then use this information to target >market-customized advertising and marketing programs." > >(19960906/Press Contact: Jules Street, Killen & Associates, 415-617- >6130) > > > _______________________ Regards, Nothing is so strong as gentleness, and nothing is so gentle as true strength. -Ralph Sockman Joseph Reagle http://rpcp.mit.edu/~reagle/home.html reagle(a)mit.edu E0 D5 B2 05 B6 12 DA 65 BE 4D E3 C1 6A 66 25 4E

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Re: [WAS xs4all.nl] Terrorists
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:50 AM 9/9/96, Jon Lebkowsky wrote: >At 11:01 AM 9/9/96 +0200, Stephan Schmidt wrote: > >>One thought : How many of you would support terrorist >>web server (say Oklahoma, TWA, Iran, Lybia, RAF, IRA, ...) ? > >I.e. "How many of you support the right to free speech regardless of content." > >Wellll...there is the rule about speech which endangers; "fire in a crowded >theatre" is the cliche-example. What could a terrorist SAY that would >endanger? Personally, I'd rather have terrorists building html than bombs. As Dettweiler is usually so fond of pointing out, it would be disingenuous of us not to acknowledge that the systems we are talking about (fully untraceable, strong anonymity, digital pseudonyms, digital cash, information markets, i.e., "crypto anarchy") will in fact be used for all sorts of things. Including folks who want to blow up Parliament, the Congress, the People's Tribunal, etc. And by folks who wish to trade in CBW secrets, who wish to arrange contract killings, and so on. This has been well-known for many years. My paper on "Crypto Anarchy and Virtual Communities" was villified by no less than Dorothy Denning for describing how these things may evolve. I don't worry overmuch about a few thousand or even a few million people dying as a result of something we have had an influence on developing, anymore than the developers of many technologies need to worry about how others use their technologies. And the net effect of crypto anarchy is to destabilize and marginalize central governments, which is a net positive effect. If some eggs get broken in the process, the biological imperative will generate more eggs. No big deal. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Snake-Oil FAQ
by wlkngowl＠unix.asb.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Subject: Snake-Oil FAQ's New Maintainer From: Rob Rothenburg Walking-Owl <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> C. Matthew Curtin <cmcurtin(a)research.megasoft.com> will be taking-over the "Snake-Oil FAQ". I no longer have the time to finish (let alone maintain) it. - --Rob -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3b Charset: cp850 iQEVAwUBMjRWPATNlSxdPy6ZAQEnIwf+PXgXNNBZP7ylTfMhugeH8FuFDY/zybNb poSIWCRUhM7EEndYkuyzaTYC44aE0ltAkiN7HvaqXbExQEmEv34aYTa+u9ISabOK BOEQdgi8oCHJlQ3R6lBTMWKfpFELpORsjDJbsKt/Gcgef+uInMUG8RF7F3Va40dh CTar/Nr4Quj/EkkVaY6hkaXsMF0CvWq+cKZmo8KR0v4vPeWEKHskslfgXSpfPR9d uXYyUVD21HRSG5YTZmdm3PJn3GUvgXuQdz1pooQ+x+u8EXsOFRjAEiaFtMey2DYW imHub+XewnbS93JGZ+q+J93hHpL2OE8LMQFB8ViUe6K05uj7RBi06Q== =wMjQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Crypto Anachy MUD
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Did anyone make the point (I gave up on the thread) that we already have a great Crypto Anarchy MUD with lots of the coding already done. We call it the Internet. Digital cash, strong crypto, remailers, everything. I have never been able to figure out why anyone would want to play games on a computer in any case when the whole system is a game. Word processing, spreadsheets, telecoms -- it's all a game. And they pay you to play it. DCF

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