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OpenBSD vs FreeBSD
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:43:47 -0500 To: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Subject: OpenBSD vs FreeBSD Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:47:08 -0500 From: glen mccready <glen(a)qnx.com> Resent-From: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Resent-Sender: 0xdeadbeef-request(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Forwarded-by: Nev Dull <nev(a)bostic.com> Forwarded-by: Satya Palani <satya(a)gho.st> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:44:53 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson <robert(a)cyrus.watson.org> Subject: Re: OpenBSD vs FreeBSD On 5 Dec 1998, Julian Assange wrote: >> Do you really expect people here, on this list to say >> "Use OpenBSD" or "Use Linux" or etc? > > `Use NetBSD' Use a toaster oven. Toaster ovens have excellent network security characteristics. For example, they are not susceptible to any IMAP-based buffer overflow attacks; additionally, current toaster ovens are not known to have any bugs in their TCP/IP stacks, nor have been vulnerable to any in the recent past (according to CERT advisories, anyway). Toaster ovens require console access to perform administrative functions (such as modification of temperature settings), but this will not impede deployment in a number of environment. Toaster ovens may be vulnerable to a remote denial of service attack involving manipulation of power lines -- however, most operating systems running on standard hardware are also vulnerable to this attack. I have found that my toaster oven has served me well for a number of years, and produces excellent grilled cheese sandwiches, which is far better than my pentium running FreeBSD, largely because the cooling fan on the pentium does too good a job. Go figure. Maybe if I get a pentium pro? Neither my FreeBSD box nor my toaster oven has suffered from a security problem in a while. Robert N Watson robert(a)fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ PGP key fingerprint: 03 01 DD 8E 15 67 48 73 25 6D 10 FC EC 68 C1 1C Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ TIS Labs at Network Associates, Inc. http://www.tis.com/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:44:36 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson <robert(a)cyrus.watson.org> Subject: Re: OpenBSD vs FreeBSD On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Robert Watson wrote: > Use a toaster oven. Toaster ovens have excellent network security > characteristics. For example, they are not susceptible to any IMAP-based > buffer overflow attacks; additionally, current toaster ovens are not known A friend of mine points out that toaster ovens are susceptible to a buffer overflow involving pieces of bread exceeding the safe bread limit in the oven, which can result in a fire, or at the very least, a lot of burnt bread. As such, I am no longer planning to deploy toaster ovens as web servers on our network. Apologies for any misleading details concerning the reliability of toaster ovens in hostile environments -- I hope no one has made purchasing decisions based on this misinformation! Robert N Watson robert(a)fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ PGP key fingerprint: 03 01 DD 8E 15 67 48 73 25 6D 10 FC EC 68 C1 1C Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ TIS Labs at Network Associates, Inc. http://www.tis.com/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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CLT&G Update: 29 Dec 98 (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:57:08 -0500 > From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > Subject: CLT&G Update: 29 Dec 98 > Jefferson and Madison were fearful, as more Americans should > be today, of allowing power to be concentrated in the central > government. The entire point of a consitutional democracy is to avoid centralization. A better way to word this is that we should be afraid of the federal government becoming the central government. ____________________________________________________________________ What raises the standard of living may well diminish the quality of life. The Club of Rome The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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Re: CLT&G Update: 29 Dec 98
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> Jefferson and Madison were fearful, as more Americans should >> be today, of allowing power to be concentrated in the central >> government. > >The entire point of a consitutional democracy is to avoid >centralization. > >A better way to word this is that we should be afraid of the federal >government becoming the central government. > The ENTIRE point? ONE of the points was to define and limit the extents of centralization. There is no cure for the chronic tendency of people in power to try and increase their scope. The repeated application of palliatives is the only way to deal with that social disease.

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limitations of fed power (was CLT&G Update: 29 Dec 98 (fwd)) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:46:39 -0700 (MST) > From: Jim Burnes - Denver <jim.burnes(a)ssds.com> > Subject: limitations of fed power (was CLT&G Update: 29 Dec 98 (fwd)) > > > >The entire point of a consitutional democracy is to avoid >centralization. > > > > > > That would be a valid point if we were living in that arrangement. I > like to be a little more specifc. We are living in a democratically elected > reprentative constitutional republic. A representative democracy is still a democracy. The ONLY guarantee of limits in ANY democracy is whether it is constitutional or not. That is the defining issue because that is what limits and defines the governmental structures. The defining issue is not whether it is representative or direct but rather that it has a constitution. A constitution and a bill of rights are in no way a requirement for a democracy (representative or direct). That constitution is what prevents mob-rule. > The point of that constitution is to shackle the tendancy of > a bureaucracy from assuming authority over matters never > assigned to it and using its enforcement powers to assure it. Which is the point under discussion after all. > Eventually the people, wallowing in ignorance, forget the > infraction and the bureacracy assumes de facto control. That is a function of human psychology and not democracy. Blaiming democracy for a function of human behaviour is more than a little misleading. People are social animals. It's gotten us this far and there is no reason to expect a radical shift in human population dynamics in the near term. Really a moot point. It is also the reason the constitution splits authorities, per the 9th and 10th, as it does. The fundamental aspect of a working democracy is conflict, not cooperation as much of todays spin doctor press would have you believe. And by conflict I don't mean spilled blood in the streets. What is really amazing about it is that we have the intelligence to recognize and deal with the trait at all. ____________________________________________________________________ What raises the standard of living may well diminish the quality of life. The Club of Rome The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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LEA VPN's in the South [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9812/30/vpncops.idg/ > A HIGH-TECH WAR ON DRUGS > > Mobile VPNs are key to law enforcement alliance in Southern states > > > > December 30, 1998 > Web posted at: 3:05 PM EST > > by L. Scott Tillett From... > Civic.com > > (IDG) -- Counternarcotics units in four Southern states soon will > begin piloting a new technology that allows law enforcement officials > to work securely on mobile computers -- palmtops and laptops -- to > create virtual private networks (VPNs) over the Internet. > > As many as 3,000 law enforcement officials in Alabama, Georgia, > Louisiana and Mississippi will use a new software application product > called Viatores to build a secure VPN for sharing information while > investigating drug-related crimes. A small start-up company in > Northern Virginia, Ecutel LLC, pioneered the application. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ What raises the standard of living may well diminish the quality of life. The Club of Rome The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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distribution scheme
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm sorry, but it seems I have missed the original mail, i.e. the first quote here. if there is anything important in it that was not quoted, please include it somewhere in your replies. I hope I haven't missed any other mail. >>Falcon, aka FitugMix, wrote about a suggestion to chop crypto or other >>contraband material into separate streams, e.g. bit 1 of each byte in >>stream 1, etc., hoping that this would be "legal" because it's not >>really >>encryption, though if managed carefully it would still be hard to read. >this concept is virtually identical to fractal encryption, where a >message is chopped into its component parts (25 a's, 3 b's, 8 c's, and so >on) and also chopped into a configuration scheme. this form of >encryption does fall under the definition of munitions by the u.s. >government... yes, I found that out in the meantime. the legal aspect falls short of my expectations. I still consider the scheme to be both simple and useful because it actually changes the byte structure, so looking for 'a' or 'e' or similiar pattern-analysis does not work anymore. in combination with steganography, I believe this can make things really hard to find, but I'm willing to learn the opposite if someone with more cryptoanalysis know-how tells me. if I'm right, it might still be useful for people, e.g. in china working outside their local laws anyways. it probably needs extension before it's really useful, so I have put up the code on funet.fi (pub/crypto/cypherpunks/incoming). take a look and tell me what you think, please. Falcon

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We promised!
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young We made it. http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm With some help of nmol, I got wsftp working this afternoon. I failed to click on a filename. Good stuff at webmasters.nmol.com. This site is under construction. New employee Randy is putting his software at this site. In particular, look for hypersnap which captures screen shots. This WILL NOT BE OUR WORKING SITE. Only testing so see if I sort-of understand html. Without your advice and ALOPress's html compiler putting-up a web site in one day wouldn't have been possible for me. We plan to post other people's pro se and other lawsuit progress at our site. And try to get some CROOKED JUDGES and clerks removed from the federal court system. Let's hope McKinney and Grassley can help get this settled before IT GETS EVEN WORSE! bill Title: Main(Page 1) Pro se [for yourself] Pro Se Litigation with the US Federal Government Purpose of The Real World is to help Movers, Shakers, and Do-ers

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True Random Numbers
by Kevlar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Several months ago, someone was talking about "True random numbers" and how to obtain them, and I (rather ignorantly) suggested they run a recorded sound through a program to record a 1 for every peak of volume over a certian threshold , and a 0 for every thing quieter.(I think i suggested a russeling tree, or a waterfall) Just adjust the threshold according to the volume of your sampling. (it was clear in my mind, even if I can't explain it here) Little did I know... Read phrack 54.5. -Kevlar <Webmaster(a)max-web.com> Does God know Peano Algebra? Or does she not care if strong atheists couldnt reason their way out of a trap made of Boolean presumptions? A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, but zero knowlege is absolutely subversive. Overspecialization breeds in weakness. It's a slow death. Beat your algorithms into swords, your dumb terminals into shields, and turn virtual machines into battlefields... Let the weak say, "I am strong" and question authority.

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Learning experience
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thursday 12/31/98 9:49 AM John Young I did the first update this morning. I wonder how many rows one gets in a table until the system bombs? The Great Satan tries to bury its dissident citizens in its hidden SECRET cemetery. We will try to fix this problem. bill Title: pro se(Page 2) Pro Se [for youself] Litigation with the US Government Click 12/29/1998 - Date TenFrap40 Legal manuvering- Fed. R. App. P. 40. Petition for Rehearing 12/31/1998 foia3a47.txt Payne and Morales NSA lawsuitLetter accompanying Tenth Circuit ruling 12/31/1998 foia3a46.txt Payne and Morales NSA lawsuit Tenth Circuit Rule 54(b) ruling 12/31/1998 foia3a44.txt Payne and Morales address US Government lien 12/31/1998 foia3a43.txt Payne and Morales NSA lawsuit STATEMENT OF RULE 54(b) CERTIFICATION 12/31/1998 bur13.txt Payne exhausts administrative remedies at EEOC 12/29/1998 pena7.txt Payne exhausts administrative remedies at DOE 12/29/1998 jya.com This is a link to John Young's Cryptome web site 12/29/1998

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