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Re: Int'l Money Laundering, Part the Second
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:31 PM 10/10/95 -0800, Douglas Barnes wrote: > When you combine these elements, you get a strategy that > permits the US government to confiscate worldwide correspondent > accounts of banks, even if they don't have a US presence. This is doubtless one of the reasons why the US$ is rapidly losing its place as the preferred currency for international transactions. > acceptance of US-dollar negotiable instruments by a bank anywhere > in the world outside of the US renders the bank susceptible > to US criminal jurisdiction in the money laundering field. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: WWW> One If By Congress, Two If By White House
by jgrubs＠left.webcasters.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: left!hypnos!ragnarok.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!paladin.american.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!news.mid.net!not-for-mail From: Gleason Sackman <sackman(a)plains.nodak.edu> Newsgroups: comp.internet.net-happenings Subject: WWW> One If By Congress, Two If By White House Message-ID: <45lt48$db4(a)shocker.mid.net> Date: 13 Oct 1995 09:29:28 -0500 Sender: infoserv(a)news.mid.net Organization: MIDnet, the Midwest's Gateway to the Global Internet. Lines: 14 Approved: ralphie NNTP-Posting-Host: shocker.mid.net *** From Net-Happenings Moderator *** Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 07:51:13 -0500 From: jrw(a)ix.netcom.com http://www.geopages.com/CapitolHill/1783 A website dedicated to Jeffersonian Conservatism, the underlying principle of which is a strong faith in the American people -- the individual citizen -- rather than in an overgrown, cumbersome, impersonal and too powerful bureaucracy. Good links to the entire political spectrum, government, books, etc. The goal is to provoke thoughtful discussion and informed political action.

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Re: Netscape question transformed
by Mark Neely 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alice de 'nonymous wrote.. >> What would you >> rather see? A company makes a beta release for people to attempt to >> break, fixes the bugs, and then releases a better product? Or would >> you rather see a company release a product, tell people it is secure, >> and then get bitten by numerous holes in it? > >Well, I'm not sure that I'd want to make any representations or imply any >warranties whatsoever. Ahhh.... this sort of thinking really lets the user down. The reason Netscape (et. al) has market capitalisation is because they sell their product to us, the users. It is a bit of a worry if software authors can write and then release for sale "buggy" software, and hide safetly behind "I make no warranties etc." To adopt an analogy... would you be happy to buy a car from Toyota (or whoever) if they were allowed to hide behind a warranty disclaiming liability should it break down (or blow up)? Somewhere along the lines, those who make their money selling software should have to be responsible for bugs. Thoughts? Mark Neely ___ Mark Neely - accessnt(a)ozemail.com.au Lawyer, Professional Cynic Author: Australian Beginner's Guide to the Internet Work-in-Progress: Australian Business Guide to the Internet WWW: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~accessnt

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MUZ_zle
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

10-16-95. NYPaper: "The New Watchdogs of Digital Commerce." Think of them as a truth squad of cyberspace, these crusading graduate-student hackers from Berkeley. "This is a tradition of unfettered inquiry and curiosity," said John Gilmore, "for hackers, nothing is sacred and everything is subject to verification before you can really believe it." "The hacker ethic is transferring some of its better lessons to the world of commerce," said Steven Levy, "we're groping for a way to use the Net in a way where information will flow freely and people can still make money. The hackers are going to help us find ways to have a more humanized system of commerce." "Will Netscape be the next Microsoft, or the next victim of Microsoft?" Some investors believe Netscape could become "the next Microsoft." Other people believe that Netscape could become the next Microsoft victim, and that the next Microsoft is none other than Microsoft itself. All these new features of Navigator 2.0 send a clear notice to the industry that Netscape has no interest in bowing to the traditional Internet procedures for setting software standards by academic and scientific committee. The Internet has become primarily a commercial medium, where standards are set by whoever has the highest market share. It is a concept Microsoft knows well, and one that Netscape has grasped. MUZ_zle (16 kb)

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Re: My chat with Goeff Greiveldinger
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <199510152027.NAA23085(a)mycroft.rand.org>, jim(a)acm.org (Jim Gillogly) wrote: > You might try addressing the areas of liability for escrow agents. If > private escrow agents can be sued for loss of information due to theft > or other authorized or unauthorized release of keys, their liability could > be horrendous, depending on the value of the compromised data. The problem of liability should be managable. There are commercial data storage firms (microfilm, etc.) that not only have access to the key for your data, but to the data itself. Still, liability lawsuits have not driven them out of business. I therefore belive that liability issues will not pose a significant obstacle to commercial key escrow. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMIGMiCoZzwIn1bdtAQHiJQGAlFhXEVKkf329xCbpWHHXYRkMNJUpbdDZ nrEKcYvu9SVt/wlPLSq97sWukyQPxth0 =c5Wl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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JOin List request - help please
by John Leishman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Have tried on MANY occassions to join your list. The resultsd are commonly, in varitions of; Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 15:44:37 PDT To: jleishma(a)ozemail.com.au From: Majordomo(a)toad.com Subject: Your Majordomo request results: Re: Your Majordomo request results: Reply-To: Majordomo(a)toad.com -- Your request of Majordomo was: >>>> subscribe Cypherpunks **** subscribe: unknown list 'Cypherpunks'. Please please, could I be joined <sob> <g> --------------------------------------------------- >>--> -*-_|\ John Leishman in Tropical Darwin / \ Wk (61) (089) 81 8155 Hm (61 (089) 81 9697 \_.--._/ Mobile (61) 018 089 631 Fax (61)(089) 819415 v E-Mail jleishma(a)ozemail.com.au 100026.157@compuserve

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Re: what are these people selling????
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Jim Bidzos and some of us might have interesting interactions on >patent issues, but I've got to emphasize that he's no demon. He's a >guy trying to make a buck on his patent properties -- by and large he >has the same interests about seeing cryptography spread that the rest >of us do. Only until the patents expire. He's no demon, but there's no altruism at work. Come the millenium he moves to things like selling cars. You heard it here first. /r$

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Undeliverable Message
by MAILER-DAEMON＠usmc.mil 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Cc: <remailer-operators(a)c2.org> Subject: Re: PA Remailer Concerns Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM error codes. VNM3043: CPL JASON P JONES@IRM711@MCLB Albany VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. The message cannot be delivered because the recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of messages, as set by the system administrator. The recipient must delete some messages before any other messages can be delivered. The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators can set lower limits if required using the Change mailbox settings function available in the Manage User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit is reached, the recipient must delete some of the messages before the mailbox can accept any more incoming messages. ---------------------- Original Message Follows ----------------------[I'm sending this to the cypherpunks and remailer-operators lists. Replies are directed to c'punks, just to avoid crossposting followups, but I read both lists. -Futplex] Mark writes: [re: a new Pennsylvania law] > More likely the law will be used when a remailer operator wont play ball with > the local LEA and surrender any existing logs. Then the LEA can simply throw > the operator into a court under this legislation. > > If (when?) something serious is perpetrated and planned using a remailer then > they will have the motivation to shut them down. I would very much like to see this law tested. I think it could prove fairly important to attack it with a well-planned, benign test case rather than wait for the next National Liberation spam or a death threat. I don't live in PA, but I would be willing to participate as the defendant in a test case under the right circumstances. Presumably I would open an account with an ISP in Penna., set up a remailer on the account (need to find an ISP that clearly allows that), and have somebody send a message through it. We would need to design a promising test case and find an attorney willing & able to offer pro bono services. Any comments or suggestions, esp. from legal types (who of course are not offering formal legal advice to anyone :) ? Is this realistic ? What would it take to elicit a prosecution for such a test case ? -Futplex <futplex(a)pseudonym.com>

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"Corporatocracy"
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:42 AM 10/16/95, Michael Froomkin wrote: >Those seeking more info on the conference will find it at: >Http://www.multicorp.com/wec. > >They are asking over $500 in registration fees, which strikes me as wildly >excessive, so I'm not advocating attendence. Excessive registration costs for conferences have long bothered me, as Michael knows first-hand. I just declined to go to the Hacker's Conference this year because the registration has risen to $400 for 2 days. That they supply a midnight buffet is hardly justification for charging $200 a day, in my opinion. (My direct comparison is to science fiction conventions, where the hotel rooms run $70 a day and overall registration--with a nice program book!--is $40 or less.) Doug Barnes informed me that the money laundering conference, for which he wrote those great trip reports, cost $1000 for two days (gulp!). His corporation picked up the tab, natch. It's pretty clear to me that things are getting out of hand. I find myself priced out of most conferences, not because I can't "afford" them, but because I find paying $400 or $600 or more for a short conference to be a poor use of my money, compared to other things (like mortgage payments, books, investments, new doodads for my computer, toys, vacations, etc.). Conferences seem to be priced to take advantage of the tax laws and to soak corporations, which can write off the conferences. (No, I find there is no way I can "write off" the various conferences I'd like to attend.) Needless to say, I'm not saying conference organizers don't have the "right" to charge these exorbitant fees. Clearly they find customers. But it's also my right to avoid these "conference taxes." --Tim May Views here are not the views of my Internet Service Provider or Government. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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My chat with Goeff Greiveldinger
by Michael Froomkin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I will be appearing with Goeff Greiveldinger, he of the Justice Dept, at a discussion of commercial key escrow next Thursday in Bethesda. Anyone with fun questions I should throw at him should contact me... Please note that the ostensible topic of this discussion is *commerical* key escrow, not Clipper per se, so I have to be diplomatic.... A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) Associate Professor of Law | U. Miami School of Law | froomkin(a)law.miami.edu P.O. Box 248087 | http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | New address, but it's still just as hot here.

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