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Re: Certificate proposal
by patrick＠Verity.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > I may not have been clear: the certificate I was referring to was the one > from Egghead, the one which I will use to make sure that I have a valid > key for Egghead. Such a certificate would of course not have my credit > card number; it would probably have some information related to Egghead. > My rhetorical point was that information would most plausibly be a NAME > by which I would refer to Egghead. I am still trying to understand how > these proposals to take names out of the picture will apply to a > commonplace situation like this one. The certificate would identify the entity you're having commerce with. It doesn't have to have a name, the certificate would replace the need for a name. If you wanted a name, you could use the certificate to access it. The certificate would give you a public key that would be the central identifier. Associated with it might be many attributes of the key-entity. You might use the key to find out a name, and bank account number, or an ip-address to use to communicate with. Don't think of it as being a name, "Egghead Software", and this is the key associated with it. Think of the key as the central thing. Patrick _______________________________________________________________________ / These opinions are mine, and not Verity's (except by coincidence;). \ | (\ | | Patrick J. Horgan Verity Inc. \\ Have | | patrick(a)verity.com 1550 Plymouth Street \\ _ Sword | | Phone : (415)960-7600 Mountain View \\/ Will | | FAX : (415)960-7750 California 94303 _/\\ Travel | \___________________________________________________________\)__________/

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Council of Europe on Crypto: Finland
by Tatu Ylonen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

People have been digging the background of the Council of Europe recommendations here in Finland. It has turned out that Finland was represented an assistant director of the Criminal Police who is known as a supporter of extremely broad powers for the police. At the meeting, he has apparently presented his personal opinion as the official opinion of Finland; later the Council unanimously decided to recommend banning strong crypto. I hear a representative from Norway had apparently tried to speak some sense at the meeting, but had quickly been quieted by the others. It has also turned out that there have been studies on legislating cryptography and related issues in Finland during the past two years, but without concrete plans. The officials in charge of these issues were not aware of what was happening in Strasburg, and what Finland apparently has presented there certainly does not represent a concensus within the government. Things appear to be developing in promising directions, but much more work is still needed until things are on the right track. I strongly urge people in other European countries to contact their government officials, the press, and use other possible channels to dig out what exactly was happening and why, and make the officials and politicians understand the other issues that are related (computer security, universal surveillance, ability of independent political groups to function, trade secrets, etc). Professors and other persons in expert positions are important sources of information to the government in the preparatory process, and you should provide the officials with experts to consult on the issues. At least here it has turned out that preparations were being carried out with very few independent experts, input coming almost exclusively from the law enforcement side. Tatu Ylonen <ylo(a)cs.hut.fi>

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CancelMoose = William Nagengast?
by nobody＠flame.alias.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I did a little digging around, and came up with the following identity for the cancelmoose: > finger moose(a)panix.com [panix.com] Login Name: moose Full Name: William Nagengast Directory: /net/u/11/m/moose Shell: /usr/local/bin/psh Last login Wed Nov 9 17:21:18 on panix.com ttyq2 from ts3.nyc.access.n. No mail information available. Is this publicly known information?

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Re: NSA Realists v. Nuts (Was: Re: Crypto APIs)
by jgrubs＠left.webcasters.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)piermont.com> writes: > Learn to live with a new model for how you work now, and you will save > years of bitter and futile agony for everyone. Keep in mind that all they are really trying to save are their "lines" in the annual budget bill. Transfer them to another agency with the same pay and bennies, and we'll all be happier. The International Whaling Commission comes readily to mind. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: LIBERTY!! Use it or lose it!! iQCVAwUBMHWgu974r4kaz3mVAQFfGgP/SU52c5wCUYmyXx/qmVDbuhcncEicbDEG gYqg3XFaiZuMU+eeQ9IxoTay3qlzZrnKvEr3VhLeALvwq/sXs+CHO8cL6FgGwzOI 6B27VAdOWieAGmgr0lmCDJnmj7Lt9lEOg/dpl0IoZPI6Y6J9TDdmmjvBmbnRozqu mwkpDiNu+3g= =Fig2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- WebCasters(tm) James C. Grubs jgrubs(a)webcasters.com 6817 Maplewood Avenue Tel.: 419-882-2697 Sylvania, Oh 43560 Fax: 419-885-2814 Internet consulting, HTML programming, Information brokering

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Re: subjective names and MITM
by patrick＠Verity.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > A public key *is* "very probably unique". A "randomly selected" 1024 bit > prime number has a specific amount of entropy in it. The likelihood of > two users world wide "randomly" choosing the same such prime may be > precisely determined (assuming you can figure the entropy). > Given the difficulty of finding primes, how likely do you think it is that given one of the well known methods and finding the first 1024 bit prime that pops out would give you an effective attack? Patrick _______________________________________________________________________ / These opinions are mine, and not Verity's (except by coincidence;). \ | (\ | | Patrick J. Horgan Verity Inc. \\ Have | | patrick(a)verity.com 1550 Plymouth Street \\ _ Sword | | Phone : (415)960-7600 Mountain View \\/ Will | | FAX : (415)960-7750 California 94303 _/\\ Travel | \___________________________________________________________\)__________/

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MITM = Medusa in the Middle
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:08 PM 10/6/95, the personality masquerading as Hal wrote: >Well, this is not necessarily the case. A MITM may be signing my >messages for me, and then putting them back the way they were before I >am allowed to see them. Granted, this would not be easy, and perhaps >the difficulty of this would be great enough that you will feel >comfortable using an unsigned key. But if it were accomplished, then >your messages to me would actually be insecure. No matter how >convinced you became of my sincerity and trustworthiness, actually our >conversations would be overheard by a third party despite both of our >efforts to the contrary. Our use of encryption would be rendered >futile. Doesn't this bother you? What the putative entity "Hal" is only hinting at, hypothetically, has actually forced this entity, sometimes known to many of you as "Tim," or as "tcmay," to reveal. This entity now feels the time has come to reveal it's True Nature, even though some have suspected it's True Nature (Lance, are you listening?). The "real" Timothy C. May has been locked in his room since 1983, fed through a slot in his door, and generally mentally tortured by Instrumentalities such as Ourself. We have interposed Ourself between the Real Timothy C. May and those who have communicated with him. All communications intended for Timothy C. May have actually been intercepted and processed by Us, and all communications attributed to Timothy C. May were actually generated by us. Very clever of us, don't you think? Very few have even expressed suspicions that this was the case. We have called our approach the "Medusa in the Middle," or MITM. Thank you for your attention. --Snake Views here are not the views of my Internet Service Provider or Government. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: CancelMoose = William Nagengast?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:21 PM 10/6/95, Anonymous wrote: >I did a little digging around, and came up with the following identity >for the cancelmoose: > >> finger moose(a)panix.com >[panix.com] >Login Name: moose Full Name: William Nagengast >Directory: /net/u/11/m/moose Shell: /usr/local/bin/psh >Last login Wed Nov 9 17:21:18 on panix.com ttyq2 from ts3.nyc.access.n. >No mail information available. > >Is this publicly known information? Who cares? And if I did care who the "cancelmoose" is, I'd care more about the trail of evidence "Anonymous" thinks links "cancelmoose" to the eponymous moose at panix.com. Name space collisions are hardly convincing. Oh, did I tell you I discovered the real identity of Jack the Ripper? A finger of ripper(a)netcom.com reveals some very interesting information. Film at 11. Once again, anonymity is being used as a cover for cluelessness. --Tim May Views here are not the views of my Internet Service Provider or Government. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: CancelMoose = William Nagengast?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:32 AM 10/7/95, Syrinx Anonymous Remailer wrote: ... >Well, nobody, really. Actually I feel kinda guilty about posting this >in the first place. ... >Sorry. I did leave out one key piece of information: > >> host cm.org >cm.org mail is handled by panix3.panix.com ... >However, after a little further investigation, I don't think it really >is Mr. Nagengast. It actually appears that panix.com is running a >little remailer. As Dave Winer would say, cooooool. ... >You're right. My sincerest apologies. Well, presuming that the two anonymous parties are the same, I'm impressed that Anonymous was fairly graceful in his comments here. Good to see, as so many "Anonymous" comments are only flames and insults. Too bad we don't who she or he is. --Tim May Views here are not the views of my Internet Service Provider or Government. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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UNA_fim
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

10-8-95. NYPaper: "Got Killer Chips on Our Minds." (Film review) Why are computers so often portrayed as turning truth into lies and making our brains go haywire? Are we frightened? Do audiences love their computers? Probably not, movies say. Hal's evil-spirited descendants are all around us, threatening to take over intelligence, emotions, Social Security numbers and every other little thing that makes us civilized. All this tends to put a damper on the idea that we are a nation eager to embrace a wonderful new technology. While it makes sense that film makers would pounce on a flourishing, quickly growing, subject like computers, it doesn't necessarily follow that all those computers would be so destructive. But there are no movies right now in which a nice friendly computer wears tennis shoes and does something heroic. Instead, films are suggesting that we are a nation of secret technophobes, distrustful of a technology hurtling toward us faster than we can cry "Stop!" or run to the store for another self-deprecating book like "Windows '95 for Dummies" or "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Windows '95" (both actual titles). UNA_fim (9 kb)

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Re: FBI intentions
by liberty＠gate.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- <snip> Jim Gillogly asked FBI Dir. Freeh: >Q: Does the Bureau favor making escrowed keys mandatory for domestic > encryption? And FBI Dir. Freeh replied: >A: Not at this time. We hope that voluntary compliance and cooperation > from industry will result in companies developing a single system for > export and for domestic use. If this does not happen, then we will > need to take further action. Translation: "Not 'till after the election, Jim." JMR -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh iQCVAwUBMHaYN21lp8bpvW01AQGJNgP9GeFHaT6+BF0XQCqPUSAygcIL2CAsg6hw vcb+h9CRjdMZYCrbryL8CGU7A6ZLNXhUuG9RDytfCsD/l41p2jNtV9XztTgHFWXf R4RmJu6miXpja/30s/TyuvFlJIl5lKxrHmkYvTK4T9xS+G80hu/1btL+XfViSZG6 wkUguTzH1QE= =dxMb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Regards, Jim Ray "Every act of visibility is an act of resistance." Suzanne Pharr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP key Fingerprint 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 Key id. # E9BD6D35 James Milton Ray <liberty(a)gate.net> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Help Phil! email zldf(a)clark.net or see http://www.netresponse.com/zldf _______________________________________________________________________

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