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Re: Voluntary Governments?(Coercive Persuasion)
by blancw＠pylon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<Delete if you don't find this spine-tingly, effervescently thrilling> >From Jason W Solinsky: . . .You can form a fairly potent government using economic coercion. . . . . . the power of a cybergovernment to banish citizens gives it the abilility to enforce its regulations. ......................................................... (assuming I have nowhere to go besides the astral plane) I wasn't going to add to this discussion anymore, but I couldn't believe it. I didn't use to think that it was so difficult to distinguish between "real" government and any other kind of controlling influence. Reflecting upon the difference between kinds of control and the difference it makes, I made a list of important elements which help me identify what kind of a yoke is over my neck: . governance by force = control . the direction of the intended influence: a withholding of services & benefits, or an imposition over the individual . the duration of that controlling influence: related to a specific event, or maintained ever-presently as a matter of course . the scope of the influence: specific to a particular function, or encompassing a geographic area; limited to family, friends, or inclusive of all mankind, or perhaps encompassing every living thing on the planet as well all the mineral rights and all the forests and the seas . the kind of control being exerted: dependent upon an individual's self-committment, or having overriding precedence . expected complicity from the recipients: their apparent willingness to knowingly subject themselves to another's ministrations, or their protests against obligatory participation . recognition of Authority: passive recipience, or active participation; acknowledging the other party's sovereignty; or not considering themselves subjects of it . how those in control "achieve" or ascend to their position of authority over all others within that system, and . how the relationship to that authority is managed: by the individual's own attraction/desires for the possession or reception of things which s/he does not have; by threats against the capacity for self-determination & self-command . what it is that "they" are aiming for: what do they want from those upon whom they exert influence or control: - their business - attention - their material property - their soul - support for their delusions of grandeur Otherwise, I can usually tell because they give themselves names like "United", "National", "World", or because all of the individuals within that jurisdiction presumably belong to it and assume the identity of the organized entity; they are known outside of it by its name (Americans, Greeks). Blanc

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CDR Operators & interaction...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I have received a couple of pieces of mail that concern me. The content seems to indicate that people have one or both of two basic misconceptions about the CDR: - The operators do not communicate between ourselves unless one of us begins to recieve duplicates or other indications of problems at another site. Outside of that we simply don't communicate. - I am NOT in any way the moderator, central clearing house, or in any other manner concerned with the operation of the 'network' of remailers. I operarate SSZ as a home-based business and the CDR is motivated by my personal interest in the various issues as well as the fact that it costs nothing extra for me to carry. The remailer network was initialy instituted by Igor and myself in order to keep the Cypherpunks mailing list alive after the toad.com announcement that the mailing list was going away due to the various issue related to the moderation experiment. The entire point was to create a system such that it was simple and could not be compromised by any single operator. Furthermore, if you or anyone you know is interested in joining the CDR as a remailer node, archive site, mail-news gateway, etc. then send a message to the list requesting the various operators for feeds. SSZ has a standing invitation to anyone who desires to have a full-time participant. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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NSA Job Offer
by William J. Clinton 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Randall I saw your post on the cypherpunks list debunking the forgery of my good friend Phill Zimmerman. As you are no doubt aware my Deputy Director of the NSA retired recently and I've decided that Barbie is no longer suitable following certain uncomplimentary remarks she made after a fireside shagging^H^H^H^Hchat we had last night. I am therefore looking for a supersluth to fill this challenging position. If you would be interested in taking the bit between your teeth, so to speak, please email me and we'll do lunch. -- Bill C. "The next person who mentions my penis gets an ICBM up their ass"

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Request for expert opinion and Feedback
by Joubin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello all, I am involved in a project which aims at the creation of a free and portable Java(tm) based object operating system. A basic functional requirement for this new OS is to provide /fast and effective/ strong cryptographic support at the OS level. The basic structure of the system is a layered architecture, with the lowest layer consisting of a platform specific (non-portable) kernel supporting an embedded JVM (again in C/ASM) and a set of Java(tm) interfaces to this 'virtual platform'. The OS proper will sit on top of this and will be 100% Java (tm). The issue: As you may know, SMI has and will deliver a set of 'security' packages as a standard component of JDK. This uses RSA technology. Basic and general 'interfaces' to encapsulate constructs such as Key, Provider, Cypher, etc. are also defined. A few people in the project group feel that many different groups and entities out there will provide (portable) Public Key encryption packages (implemented in Java(tm)) that can be used by the users of the OS. They argue against embedding computational support at the Kernel (non-portable) layer as wasted effort. Others (& myself included) feel that 'effective' also means efficiency of execution. Specially so if such functionality is to be used to encypher 'streams' and such (if that is possible). Your expert advice: a) How do you feel about 'where' the computational support should be implemented ? b) Assuming answer to (a) to be "At the kernel level and in C/ASM", is it possible to achieve a fine-grain modularity in terms of fairly generic algorithms and computations which can then be combined in conjunction to support a variety of encryption strategies ? c) Is there any benefit to implementing the random number generation system in the Kernel? Your input is greatly appreciated. If you feel there are other considerations to be made, please let me know. Thank you. Joubin p.s. Java(tm) and related items are the tightly guarded property of Sun Microsystems Inc. __________________________________ member, alpha zero LLC joubin(a)inch.com NoVA __________________________________

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spoofing as performance art
by Zooko Journeyman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C. May allegedly typed something like: > > There's something about the Cypherpunks list that causes some people to > decide it would be a kewl act of performance art to disrupt it, distract > it, stalk it, and mailbomb it. > > And complaining never helps...it only stimulates their performance art juices. Hey, the jokes from Anonymous(ses) and Dmitri M. Vulis are the only reason I _read_ cpunks anymore! Oh yeah-- and that hilarious spoof about PGP, Inc. putting GAK-friendly features into their product. It's so funny that people fall for that old "PGP is in with the government" gag every time it comes around. Also, I'm looking for a job, I think. Or else a good university to go to. But mostly I'm just reading the hilarious Anonymous posts and spoofs. Regards, Zooko

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Re: spoofing as performance art
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Indeed, it is hard to tell the difference between spoofing and grave pronouncements on threats to one's own interests under guise of national secuirty and/or personal privacy, for the truthful lying that accompanies each performance are identical. Spoofing has the ethical and humorous edge, however, in that it gives clues to its origin as entertainment -- let's us in on the joke -- while the seriously dramatic performer aims at dominating us with profundity, wisdom, righteousness, conviction and disdain for disbelievers in the blind faith of the performer in the importance of her responsibility to hector and lecture us into craven servility. All leaders suffer over self-importance and thereby demand ridicule to save us from them. Here's a Bronx cheer to the non-spoofers, who don't get that the joke's on them. Thank Zeus and Juno, as far as I've read here, cypherpunks has no implacably non-spoofers posting, though a few of us are pretty good at behaving seriously briefly, spoofing seriousness. And PGP is doing a fine sanctimonious act worthy of high ridicule, it's just conforming to what businesses and governments do to survive the disloyalty of employees and citizens who don't believe once-trusted leaders inevitably corrupted by power, fame and chance to forever escape work (corrupt me, do). They become parodies of themselves. Anonymous got it right: Bosses and Government, no difference, same liars and snoopers and non-spoofers who just don't get what's wrong with putting their interests before ours, we gobbling voracious maggots.

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Re: ADMIN: lost messages (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "Attila T. Hun" <attila(a)hun.org> > Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 04:43:22 +0000 > Subject: Re: ADMIN: lost messages > Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> was purported to have > expostulated to perpetuate an opinion: > a:> Any clues? > > a:Things get lost on occassion? > pure bullshit and ego gratification. [much deleted] Put up or shut up junior. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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update.342 (fwd) [AIP]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 10:14:42 EDT > From: physnews(a)aip.org (AIP listserver) > Subject: update.342 > > PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE > The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News > Number 342 October 22, 1997 by Phillip F. Schewe and Ben > Stein > > ONE OF THE MOST CONVECTIVE FLUIDS EVER > OBSERVED IN THE LABORATORY has been created by [body deleted] > HIGH-PRECISION COSMOLOGY [body deleted] > SEVEN YEARS OF PHYSICS---the entire run of Physics News > Updates---is now available in searchable form on the AIP Website > at this address: www.aip.org/physnews/update. Just type in a term > or expression and up come references to items in past Updates. For > example: searching for "leptoquark" hauls up 2 items; "steven chu" > finds 3 hits; "DNA" results in 13. All past Updates can be viewed > by going to the archives. See also Physics News Graphics > (www.aip.org/physnews/graphics) our growing archive of physics > figures, most of which accompany Update items. Subscription > reminder: to add or delete your name from the distribution list, > follow these steps---send a message to listserv(a)aip.org, leave the > "subject" blank, and in the letter itself specify either the expression > add physnews or delete physnews. >

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Internet Child Pornographers Convicted [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > CNN logo > Navigation > > Infoseek/Big Yellow > > > Pathfinder/Warner Bros > > > > > Main banner AST. Working For Your Business. rule > > INTERNET CHILD PORNOGRAPHERS GET LONG JAIL TERMS > > October 23, 1997 > Web posted at: 3:24 p.m. EDT (1924 GMT) > > SAN JOSE, California (Reuters) -- Three members of an international > child pornography ring that used the Internet to transmit pictures > of children were sentenced to jail. > > The men were jailed for their part in a wide-ranging, Internet-based > conspiracy in which several children, aged 10 or younger, were used > in sexually explicit acts to produce pornographic pictures and > videotapes, the U.S. Attorney's office said. > > U.S. District Judge James Ware on Wednesday sentenced the three > members of the "Orchid Club" in a San Jose courtroom after a long > hearing that included poignant personal statements by the victims. > > The U.S. Attorney's office in San Jose said Ronald Riva, 38, of > Greenfield, California, was sentenced to 30 years in prison; David > Tank, 35, of Cheney, Washington, to 19 years and 7 months; and > Christopher Saemisch, 38, of Lawrence, Kansas, to 11 years. > > Copyright 1997 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. > > > rule > > Related stories: > * Officials focus on Internet use in sex crimes - October 8, 1997 > * FBI: Internet pedophiles a growing threat - April 8, 1997 > * FBI cracks down on child pornography on the Internet - April 7, > 1997 > * 12 arrested in computer pornography sweep - September 14, 1995 > > Related sites: > > Note: Pages will open in a new browser window > * Crime on the Superhighway > * Child Safety on the Information Highway > > > > External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > rule Message Boards Sound off on our > message boards > > You said it... [INLINE] AST. Working For Your Business. rule > To the top > > © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. > All Rights Reserved. > > Terms under which this service is provided to you. >

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Re: PGP Employee on MKR
by mark＠unicorn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Gee, Mark, I thought it was the SMTP filter that did the enforcing. >Maybe if PGP didn't call it "CMR" but instead called it something >neutral like the "key link field". Duh, without the 'mandatory voluntary' encryption to multiple keys, the enforcer couldn't work. Sure, the Feds could say 'encrypt to the FBI key or else', but users wouldn't be able to do so automatically without getting scripts to do so and the revolt would be too large for even the FBI to handle. It must be done automatically in the software, or it won't work. >Let's see, your scenario involves putting super sniffers at strategic >positions throughout the net, and passing laws that not only supports >this, but makes it illegal to go around them. I suggest that if such >laws are passed PGP's software is the least of your problems. How is this significantly different from mandatory wiretap access laws which already exist? Since it only requires action on the part of Internet providers, it's not going to raise the kind of outcry that other more widespread laws would create. >To make it plain, Mark, I "explain it away" this way: fundametally, >your scenario assumes what it is trying to prove -- you assume that >incredibly draconian laws are in place, Incredibly draconian? In what sense? Having to set a bit in your generated PGP keys? It certainly would be draconian if the FBI passed such a law today and required everyone to dump their software in favor of new, GMR-enabled software, but all new copies of PGP are already GMR-enabled. In fact, the FBI could probably stage a public relations coup by giving away free copies of PGP to anyone who asked. Draconian would be coming around to your house and taking your keys by force. Draconian is not merely enabling an option which your software currently supports. The whole point of not wanting PGP to ship this system is that it would allow the FBI to snoop *without* truly draconian laws. Without the current CMR system the FBI would have to force everyone to change to new software; deployment wins. As I said, 'don't worry, it won't happen, be happy'. Nothing new. Mark

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