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Re: Kaos vs Control
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:31 AM 6/12/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >I see little chance that people who don't >understand anarchy derives from "an-archy," "no top/leader/highest level," >will become educated.) Unless they choose "anarchy" without even knowing it. As in my Gallup Poll question to "prove" that 90% of Americans are anarchists: "Some groups advocate aggressive violence as a means of achieving social ends. Do you agree with them? Do you advocate aggressive violence as a means of achieving social ends?" So 90% of the population answer "No" and demonstrate that they are either anarchists or don't understand the nature of government. >Good to see the courts reaffirming that "chaos" and lack of control by >authorities is a core part of the U.S. system. Maybe the control freaks of >Europe and Asia who have been charting their own authoritarian courses will >give more thought to ensuring liberty even if it causes more "chaos." One would hope. Perhaps reality will have to do it for them. DCF

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Re: Kaos vs Control
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 13 Jun 96 at 10:06, Duncan Frissell wrote: > At 11:31 AM 6/12/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: [..] > >Good to see the courts reaffirming that "chaos" and lack of control by > >authorities is a core part of the U.S. system. Maybe the control freaks of > >Europe and Asia who have been charting their own authoritarian courses will > >give more thought to ensuring liberty even if it causes more "chaos." > One would hope. Perhaps reality will have to do it for them. Reality never did anything for the (Supreme) Court, and certainly not a lot of politicians. But yes, one would hope... Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Re: Report from Germany on "backdoor" net-censorship
by um＠c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A short update from Germany: The "ICTF" attorney has half-retracted their announcement on Usenet. "ICTF" is going to be only an advisory group for ECO members. They will make recommendations about newsgroups that might be 'dangerous' to carry, and will only react on individual articles when they are informed about articles that would be illegal to keep on the news servers. The "ICTF" plans to use a modified Cancel message format that will only affect their members' servers. He says that the press release was not addressed to the net (well, they tried their best to hide it...) but to journalists with no clue. Of course, political harm has been done, but I am glad that the Social Democratic Party's net expert has severly critizised this censorship attempt in a press release and on Usenet. For those who can read German (if you can't you'll sure find the most important news on Declan's international censorship page), I have put up a web page on "ICTF" at http://www.thur.de/ulf/zensur/ In September, we will see what they are really going to do other than issuing bogus press releases.

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No Subject
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"We're sitting here watching the sun rise for the first time and we've never even seen the sun" -- Rush Limbaugh about the Internet on today's show. Rush also opined that it was impossible to regulate. DCF

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President Clinton's Statement on the CDA Decision
by jseiger＠cdt.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What's more interesting is what it doesn't say. He is not at all definitive on whether the gvt will file an appeal... Jonah -- THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ___________________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release June 12, 1996 STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT The Justice Department is reviewing today's three judge panel court decision on the Communications Decency Act. The opinion just came down today, and the statute says we have twenty days to make an appeal. I remain convinced, as I was when I signed the bill, that our Constitution allows us to help parents by enforcing this Act to prevent children from being exposed to objectionable material transmitted though computer networks. I will continue to do everything I can in my Administration to give families every available tool to protect their children from these materials. For example, we vigorously support the development and widespread availability of products that allow both parents and schools to block objectionable materials from reaching computers that children use. And we also support the industry's accelerating efforts to rate Internet sites so that they are compatible with these blocking techniques. -30-30-30- * PROTECT THE INTERNET AND THE FUTURE OF FREE SPEECH IN THE INFORMATION AGE * Join the legal challenge against the Communications Decency Act! For More Information, Visit the CIEC Web Page http://www.cdt.org/ciec/ or email <ciec-info(a)cdt.org> -- Jonah Seiger, Policy Analyst Center for Democracy and Technology <jseiger(a)cdt.org> 1634 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100 Washington, DC 20006 (v) +1.202.637.9800 PGP Key via finger (f) +1.202.637.0968 http://www.cdt.org/ http://www.cdt.org/homes/jseiger/

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Zimmerman/Viacrypt
by Steve Reid 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Phil disagrees with ViaCrypts new "business" version of PGP which > apparently encrypts all messages with an employer-supplied public key > in addition to any specified by the employee. Looking at Denning's critique (pro-escrow rant) of the NCR crypto report, she mentioned that mutant version: [http://www.cosc.georgetown.edu/~denning/crypto/NRC.txt] "Other corporations are similarly adopting products with data recovery capabilities as they integrate encryption into their systems (even PGP comes with data recovery in Viacrypt's Business Edition)." IMHO Phil Zimmerman has good reason to object to the mutant version, if it's going to cause the PGP name to somehow endorse escrow. If there really is a demand for escrow, maybe cypherpunks could create a One Time Pad escrow service. Different custom 'keys' could be produced, depending on who's asking for the data... <G> ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve(a)edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:)

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Re: PBS show
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:35 AM 6/13/96 -0800, jim bell wrote: >At 10:26 PM 6/12/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: > >> >But the Apple II WAS a toy! Non-detached keyboard, poor placement of reset >key, upper-case only, 40-character wide display, odd microprocessor, VERY >SMALL capacity floppies (which were very slow as well), as well as a hostile >legal situation regarding the building of clones. Hell, they even objected >to other companies building boards which plugged into the bus! I was not a toy it was what started the PC revolution >I have other, even harsher word for the design of the IBM PC. Oh yes, the >Mac sucks bigtime as well, although primarily for legal reasons. > Mac rule they have an awesome GUI (graphical user interface), easy of use it way up there and they have bitchin' software. I know i will regret saying this but: The mac OS is 3 times better than Windows '95 (Eat that Bill!) >Jim Bell >jimbell(a)pacifier.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Blake "Pokey" Wehlage Age-13 Gaa- 3.69 (for ice hockey goalie) <jwilk(a)iglou.com> My page- http://www.iglou.com/members/jwilk.html Quote- Does whiskey count as beer? -Homer Simpson

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Re: Zimmerman/ViaCrypt?
by Edgar Swank 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bruce Baugh recently posted, *Has there been any news recently about what's going on with commercial versions of PGP? I've been toying with the idea of buying the Windows version from ViaCrypt just to have a PGP that doesn't need to shell out to DOS each time it runs, but I'm curious as to where, if anywhere, things seem to be going. First, unless there's been a new release, the so-called Windows version of ViaCrypt is just a Windows shell that still creates a DOS window to run PGP. It's a pretty good shell, and it's easy to install, but that's about it. There was a big discussion recently on alt.security.pgp about PRZ and ViaCrypt. Apparently Phil now wants to produce his own commercial version of PGP and has "requested" ViaCrypt to sell back the commercial rights under threat of a lawsuit if they don't. Phil disagrees with ViaCrypts new "business" version of PGP which apparently encrypts all messages with an employer-supplied public key in addition to any specified by the employee. ViaCrypt has their side of the argument on their web page. http://www.viacrypt.com/ The basis of the possible lawsuit would be that ViaCrypt violated their agreement not to put any "back door" into any product with the PGP name. Whether the "business version feature" could be defined as a "back door" would be the crux of the argument. -- edgar(a)Garg.Campbell.CA.US (Edgar Swank) The Land of Garg BBS -- +1 408 378-5108

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Clinton Backs Internet 'Decency Act'
by Joseph M. Reagle Jr. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At odds with what gore said..... > WASHINGTON (Reuter) - President Clinton says the >Communications Decency Act is a legal way to protect children >from online obscenity, despite a three-judge panel's ruling that >blocks large parts of the act. > ``I remain convinced, as I was when I signed the bill, that >our Constitution allows us to help parents by enforcing this Act >to prevent children from being exposed to objectionable material >transmitted through computer networks,'' Clinton said in a >statement Wednesday. > He said he would continue to work to shield children from >such material and supports ``the development and widespread >availability of products that allow both parents and schools to >block objectionable materials from reaching computers that >children use.'' > Clinton also applauded the communications industry's efforts >to rate Internet sites so they are compatible with blocking >techniques. > The act, signed into law as part of the sweeping >Telecommunications Act of 1996, prohibits the distribution to >minors of indecent or ``patently offensive'' materials over >computer networks. > The three judges issued an injunction blocking portions of >the Communications Decency Act, but let stand prohibitions >against obscenity and child pornography and types of speech that >are not constitutionally protected. > > > _______________________ Regards, Laziness is no more than the habit of resting before you get tired. -Jules Renard Joseph Reagle http://farnsworth.mit.edu/~reagle/home.html reagle(a)mit.edu E0 D5 B2 05 B6 12 DA 65 BE 4D E3 C1 6A 66 25 4E

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Re: Insults (was: PBS show)
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:26 PM 6/12/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >I personally despise the term "nerd," but I won't get into that here. >(Except to say that "nerds," "geeks," and "dweebs" are terms of insult, and >anyone who accepts this labelling by the media and by "jerks" (a comparable >term, by the way) is proably just a dweeb anyone, so I guess the term is >accurate.) IMHO the best way to deal with an insult is to make it a badge of pride. This is how my ancestors in revolutionary New England dealt with being called Yankees. It beats hell out of trying to force the rest of the world to call your group something different every 10 years of so, like some groups have been doing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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