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Tentacle Contest -- Great!
by Joshua Danowitz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

That contest by SQUISH is great! I think I was laughing halfway through the first paragraph through to the end! Can I become a tentacle? 8) I hope no one takes you TOO seriously -- _____ ____......------'-----`------......_____ -=======================================================- `-----....._________.....-----' ____ \ | / ____ (____) __/_|_\__ (____) \\_________.-'_.-----._`-._________// `---------`.. `-----' ..'---------' `~~~~~~~' /------------------------------------------------------------------\ | If God had wanted us to explore space, he would have given us | | a moon. -- The Discovery Channel | |------------------------------------------------------------------| | The world is moving so fast that the man who says 'it can't be | | is usually interrupted by the man doing it. | |------------------------------------------------------------------| | Joshua Danowitz, Csci Major, Hunter College, City Univ. of NY | | Internet Address -- JODHC(a)CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU | | Bitnet Address -- JODHC(a)CUNYVM.BITNET | | Snail-Mail Address -- 12 E. 86 St./Apt. 605, New York, NY 10028 | \------------------------------------------------------------------/

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Goodbye, Xenon
by Peter Nestor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Goodbye Xenon! Some parting thoughts: (1) Stealth PGP -- while the idea is laudable, the "thousand year technology" won't last as long as the "thousand year reich" in the proposed implementation. Steganographically hiding messages in "noisy" channels like JPEG files is easily thwarted by the powers that be. They merely need identify those channels, intercept them, and retransmit the noisy data with their own random noise added, effectively jamming the channel. (2) Anonymous Remailers -- This world is made up of many different types of people, including tight-assed control freaks. If they want to carve out a little nook of cyberspace and control it, why shouldn't theybe able to? Why shouldn't they have their privacy there too, and be allowed to dictate who can and cannot come in? Its all very well to tell them they need locks; but unless and until it is easier for them to install those locks than to raise hell, they will solve the problem of inappropriate posting by raising hell.

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ATM ftp?
by Ophir Ronen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<faint shimmering gradually solidifying into...> Me. Well friends and neighbors, due to the high demand for the ATM tutorial, who has an anonymous ftp site that I can put the text file into? Enclosed is my public key for anyone that needs it. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3a mQCNAi1iOIYAAAEEAOXOAx5F0UOp24wwEZTKBfGDSRPO+DbVsKGr8B/8Kic4zsQE nJiAS95NHIEvFSBhndztgZVYWPCqrh6rlMlzjIC/LM28JLvAouswlPhZLOM7uR5C SUQRVzeOckpu5OMwC5SRwpaBOYkJ/m2Tb0huASiZBk7X1nrmZI/5gSeVVP8FAAUR tCRPcGhpciBSb25lbiA8YS1vcGhpcnJAbWljcm9zb2Z0LmNvbT4= =ymZt -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- <solid form dissolving into shimmering flecks of light> -Ophir o) Ophir Ronen <a-ophirr(a)microsoft.com> KeyID 1024/54FF05 1994/02/16 Key fingerprint = EA BF 5C 85 F6 C3 A7 8E AA 48 2A AC B9 BC 4B D2 "So long and thanks for all the phish"

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Source Level
by Greg - Kucharo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric, In your idea to give usenet users a chance to have competing moderated groups with unmoderated ones.Don't you think that the large numbers who want a moderated group will kill all demand for the unmoderated ones?Then we would be left with only moderated groups,who grated would have more signal to noise but less lively debate.People post so much to groups because they know they can in a free manner,moderation would slow the onslaught of banal posts and plenty of posts from folks who think thier ideas too wild for the moderator.Remember the root of moderator is moderate.As in,"This food is moderately good." Greg. kryten(a)shell.portal.com "This space available"

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Pen recorders and phone records
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have read that if the police want to know who a person communicates with on the telephone, they can arrange to have a "pen recorder" put on their phone line. This will record all phone numbers called from that line. Supposedly the legal barriers to this type of surveillance are much less than for a phone tap. I am confused about the necessity for this if the phone companies routinely record this information anyway. Is this just an archaic and obsolete terminology, and what really happens is that the phone company will give already-existing phone records to authorized officials? Thanks - Hal

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remailers going down
by Eric Hollander 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- the remailers pmantis.berkeley.edu and cicada.berkeley.edu are going to be phased out. too much garbage has gone through them, and it has caused too many complaints, and these are bio research machines, so that's not what they're for anyway. i will leave the software running on them for a while longer, but please stop using them. 00x@uclink has been shut down. the sysadmin on uclink set it up so that no user may have executable files in his account. this meant that it didn't work, so for a while i was just forwarding it to soda, which then remailed, but i just shut it down because the account is going away soon anyway. soda.berkeley.edu is still up and running strong, and it will be for the indefinite future. also, a new alias-based, pgp-encrypted remailer is coming on line soon. in fact, parts of the code are already in testing. the code will be quite portable and relatively easy to install. when it is completed, hopefully other people will set up alias remailers from their accounts. e -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQBVAgUBLWQX+5SNMq4JDJ1TAQE8WgH7Bz3yPyBQ03Q3SAzTH6diMLB68JOsGMSP 7nNo1LOupPpUM8r0hAeLo9DWx23y92HlCjSmtwW//pEIIP/ef3XRRw== =DHV3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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REAL WORLD ENCRYPTION
by Sandy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, Boy, am I glad I started the REAL WORLD ENCRYPTION thread. The responses I *didn't* expect were, of course, the most useful. Some of your assumptions and thoughts really took me by surprise. As a result, I will be posting a few follow-up messages to clarify some of the concepts my digital bank compatriots and I expect to implement in our bank project. DIGITAL MONEY--One of the assumptions many of you made, was that "digital money" is some sort of replacement for national currencies. It is not. As Eric Hughes indicated in his recent post, digital money (or "cryptocash" as Eric said it) is transactional money. It's just a way of moving money. I think it was a misunderstanding of this point that lead someone to ask if separate digital banks would offer "different digital money." When other digital banks open their doors, we will negotiate procedures to clear inter-bank digital transactions. This would be done much in the same way that banks now accept each others' checks. procedures. In addition, We have plans for an even more imaginative solution to this issue. I will address some other topics in subsequent posts. S a n d y P.S. For the time being, please send UNencrypted private e-mail to my CRL address (sandfort(a)crl.com) Please send PGP encrypted private e-mail to my AT&T address (ssandfort(a)attmail.com) -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.2 mQCNAisarBkAAAEEAMPHv7QMAR2Ulp55v7MhN1eif09AX2dfgAF4OtOrssSn7s07 dzuXHWN0L6W3XnwbtCxsJxynffwwUQ9FAheNdifNFqIXwO1QGPvlKJEcwTCrzE1f Jonqzzm0/z8zop4mfpsEPKOwwNCLHqIRRjAV3N2KJkVJlLvSeU5ULTXct1IzAAUR tCZTYW5keSBTYW5kZm9ydCA8U1NBTkRGT1JUQEFUVE1BSUwuQ09NPokAlQIFECui Vvvidd4O/2f3CwEBIIED/2yn8/BatDmefA48EEwa3emgj5hSzpWvvYPlf2LLdBEk FFMKRG1QF9tgZddwfaFWDUMC+9pOYWCzbq3ssTRqMsCDKPOvn5pf4plxHvHcVgZO 9bJ8B8xjkeZpwN5TNF2bldm6RvmiAoNG5A+B6keBnX3bTyxd/b7xXHKw57mvNjGj =NY1q -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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The White House (fwd)
by Robert A. Hayden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Forwarded from Gaynet, original author removed, to prevent outing someone by accident - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 17:40:14 -0800 From: XXXXXX(a)xxxxx.xxxxxxx To: gaynet(a)queernet.org Cc: gaynet(a)queernet.org Subject: The White House The White House now has some files available for anonymous FTP & via e-mail. To get instructions on how to use the service send an e-mail to: publications(a)whitehouse.gov put the words "Send Info" (no quotes) in the body of the e-mail. You can get transcripts of speeches, etc. Searching on the topic "gay" I found three entries. All about gays in the military. BTW, if you want to e-mail Clinton send e-mail to president(a)whitehouse.gov. Let's get our foot in his electronic door. - -------------------------------------------- I know some of the is unrelated, but the fact that the whitehouse has stuff available may be relevant. I haven't used it yet to see what there is about clipper and the like. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden(a)krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> In the United States, they \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> first came for us in Colorado... - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLWQtfJ3BsrEqkf9NAQEpQQP/TVnAUjQsARBTJlvpESkj/GobS6TDOMr8 4nsmUczree4S/dbthH7l9SzLKyeelqjhy3k7O2nSTdIECfXJ9UWOzeEB2fBFSud+ xumgMYJrwJh8zH3udmkBk4ex4muw363vN/Bud1UJzUsSChLfHM/zQTuUKTDa+k4P AmEP3H/b9t4= =yW4Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Hiding data
by Mike Ingle 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To hide data on a hard drive, just optimize the hard drive with SpeedDisk or a similar program. This puts everything at the beginning. Now write the secret stuff from the end back. DOS allocates from the beginning out, so if you keep plenty of empty space on the disk, the secret data shouldn't get clobbered. If you have enough memory to hold all your secret data, you could zip the RAMdisk and write the encrypted ZIP from the end back. There is also a blank track. After the partition table, that whole first track is blank and never written to. The Linux boot program installs itself there and lets you choose an operating system to boot. Is there any way to read data back from a laser printer's memory? PCL lasers allow you to create macros, and these can hold image files. In this way a large amount of data can be put into the printer and stored there. Is there any way to get it back into the computer? Anyone seizing/stealing (any difference?) a computer would probably not check the printer for data before unplugging it. An assembler called A86 hides a signature in an executable by changing how it generates instructions. Some instructions can be generated with two or more equivalent forms. The assembler switches between them, encoding a bit with each of those instructions. As someone pointed out in a prior iteration of the steganography debate, if steganography becomes the only way to communicate privately, we have already lost the battle. --- Mike

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MONEY: cryptocash is transaction money
by hughes＠ah.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been getting questions about digital money lately which indicate a basic misunderstanding of its most important feature. Crypto cash is a way of moving money, not a way of holding money. Crypto cash is like a check or a note rather than like the dollar, franc, or mark. Crypto cash is a way of increasing one person's balance and decreasing someone else's balance. Since it's not a currency, it's not sensible to talk about its exchange rates. Digital money can be denominated in any currency you like, so long as you have a bank or other financial institution to handle it for you. This is only an obvious distinction if you already know it. "Money" is such an overloaded word that it's easy to get confused. If this isn't clear, _please_ let me clarify. If you don't get this, none of the rest of the digital money discourse will be understandable. Eric

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