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RE: Guerilla Internet Service Providers
by Kurt Buff (Volt Comp) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

OK, I'm game. What is the story behind your .sig? Given the obvious reluctance state it fully, perhaps someone else can reply? |We Jurgar Din |(that will have to suffice: I do not yet live in a free country) ---------- From: nobody@REPLAY.COM[SMTP:nobody@REPLAY.COM] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 1996 9:07 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Guerilla Internet Service Providers -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "L. Malthus" wrote: > I was told that Belize is offering passports for the next > two years for $50,000 and that might be even less if offers > were made to the government to provide low cost Internet > access to the citizens of Belize. > > http://www.belize.com/citzdoc.html > > Belize has always been known as a home for pirates, A > wonderful Cypherpunk candidate for an offshore data haven! Belize is a shit hole that is as willing as many other slimeball countries to deny someone entry and force them kicking and screaming onto the next flight to the U.S. on request from U.S. authorities. In principle, that is kidnaping. They use the technicality that the person never entered their territory. No- man's lands of port zones where the most basic rights may be violated without regard to a country's constitution are another class of abuse that will have to go. Belize is also the place where Bob White, publisher of The Duck Book and sponsor of some of the largest hard-money conferences ever held, was murdered. The usual suspects were not even rounded up. Someone once wrote that the principle cash crop of Belize is lice. In reality it may be principles. At least the Hondurans got angry when a citizen was kidnaped by the U.S. We Jurgar Din (that will have to suffice: I do not yet live in a free country) +"The battle, Sir, is not to the strong alone. It is to the+ +vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, Sir, we have no + +election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now + +too late to retire from the contest." -Patrick Henry 1775 + -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBMOt2E0jw99YhtpnhAQHa7gH/Z4cjIcT50+0lxJTF7lHCfcPvSPzXW5BU Yuea9C5s+1KgNDUYDe2ItTfOf3TTb+2deJGbDgf2TEP+A/q5S+9JHw== =H46M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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hi peter!
by FreeBSD user 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 8 Jul 96 at 14:10, winn(a)Infowar.Com wrote: [..] > Historically, civil defense has meant to protect citizenry against hostile > military actions. Today, with the specter of Information Warfare representing > new challenges to late-industrial and information age nation-states, the rules [..] Are these really "new" challenges? > - The Power grid is the basis of most of modern society. With it gone, > not much else happens. If you think this is just a matter of building more > generators, think again--what happens if the factories that *make* the > generators are taken down, too? You haven't lived in a hurricane prone area and lost your electricity for most of a month, have you? Many of the generators are already in place. The power grid is not centralised, so it's difficult to take down everything for a long period of time (long enough to be truly detrimental to a lot of people) quickly enough (that would require some non-informational real-life bombing and warfare). > - The Communications infrastructure: land, sea, air and satellite. 95% > military communications go over the public networks, and 100% of all financial > and industrial communications. Is it worth protecting? Is it so easy to take a whole network down? What about various radio operations (HAMs, Marineband, FM, etc.)? And don't forget automobiles and roads as last-resort communications. > - The Global Financial structure depends upon the first two > infrastructures, and is perhaps the most vulnerable to theft and denial of > service attack. 99+% of all "wealth" is digital--what happens if it vaporizes? I'm skeptical of that figure (many institutions maintain several printouts and have contingencies to do things by hand... for no other reason than computers go down without human interference). > - Transportation systems rely upon the other three. The air traffic [..] Not really. Automobiles and buses rely on very little. In major disasters there are ways to keep limited air and train traffic running. > Without all of these infrastructures properly and reliably functioning, the > private sector and the national security community cannot function. No heat, no [..] You sound as if you have not been in a place hit by natural disasters such as earthquakes, hurricanes, major floods, etc. These cause much more damange to infrastructures as well as human life than any organized action could, save for an all-out physical war. Life still manages to go on. > air conditioning, no food distribution, no light, no radio or TV, no Internet. > Are we prepared? Do we have a a crisis response for the day money as we know > it vanishes? Isn't that what FEMA is for? Do you want FEMA involved with the 'net? Or would you rather get the DoD, NSA, FBI also involved with "Emergency Management"?!? > Electronic Civil Defense will soon become a critical component of any nation's > well being while the needs of both the private sector and government converge. > The convergence of military and civilian interests that Mr. Schwartau predicted Yes... it's called key escrow. > two years ago is happening before our eyes. Defensive and commercial postures > have so intertwined as to make them indistinguishable. That still implies empowering the state rather than allowing entities (individuals and corporations) to protect themselves. I'm skeptical of much of the InfoWar hype. Yes, there are important security issues (data integrity and preservation). But these also cross over with non-info disaster preparations. I also question whether large corporations and banks have compatible interests with individuals. It seems entirely possible that measures could be taken to protect the former at the expense of the latter. It's also dangerous to give LEA's another bogeyman to use. Very dangerous. Rob --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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FreeBSD user
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've just had my 3rd Freebsd kernel. Enough is enough. --Proff -- +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ |Julian Assange | "if you think the United States has | |FAX: +61-3-9819-9066 | stood still, who built the largest | |EMAIL: proff(a)suburbia.net | shopping centre in the world?" - Nixon | +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+

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Re: FreeBSD user <fb@sponsor.octet.com>
by Lou Zirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

No, got three myself. The third did seem a little different from the first two though, but I didn't study them that closely. ]> > Am I the only one who has received three unreadable > messages from this address on cypherpunks? > > -- > #include <disclaimer.h> /* Sten Drescher */ Lou Zirko (615)851-1057 Zystems lzirko(a)isdn.net "We're all bozos on this bus" - Nick Danger, Third Eye -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzBLJocAAAEEAMlDzYJPYq0pvfMuSiKU0Y65L2nJql+qEJHYGjO5Pys4prDw YW1ooPWaqrPQAy/eyqrM7I9KNFDCtmaPxtgcPw2oEDfc/w6cPkrVzvovKLfHQvtg V/hHUekptSf6j525omrVAoM9MxVL3sEGCjn9VrTeC3h9upkfntHOJeL88i2NAAUR tB5Mb3UgWmlya28gPHppcmtvbEBkYXRhdGVrLmNvbT4= =Qlxm -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: 2047 bit keys in PGP
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:02 AM 1/4/96 -0800, you wrote: >All that being said, I believe that 128 bits is sufficient for a >symmetric key and 2048 for a public key. Our paranoia would be far >better directed at as yet unknown attacks on the algoritms involved >or the specific implementations of cryptographic systems. Paul Kocher's >recent timing attack is a perfect example of what we should be afraid >of. Exactly! I agree. There is plenty of work that can be directed towards the hardware arena, for example. Better filters (AC, telephone, keyboard cable), untamperable hardware (keyboards come to mind, for instance: Design one whose RF "signature" can't be read remotely), a push towards the use of thin-film-type displays that don't radiate (much) in the RF spectrum, automatic over-write of unused data areas in hard/floppy disks (including the (unallocated) space at the ends of files), etc.

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Re: FreeBSD user <fb@sponsor.octet.com>
by reagle＠rpcp.mit.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I consider it to be an attack. Certainly seems like it to me when it bungs up my poor eudora dial-up connection and I can't get mail.

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Re: USENIX anyone?
by loki＠obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:31 AM 1/4/96, Matt Blaze wrote: >I'm going to be at the USENIX conference in San Diego later this month, >as are, I suspect, many other crypto/cypherpunk types. > >Any interest in a crypto BOF? I have organized a Remailers and other "Cypherpunkish" topics BOF. I think it is scheduled for Thursday at 6:30 - 8:30 -Lance ---------------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell loki(a)obscura.com PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. Mixmaster, the next generation remailer, is now available! http://obscura.com/~loki/Welcome.html or FTP to obscura.com "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche ----------------------------------------------------------

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re: FreeBSD user <fb@sponsor.octet.com>
by MMac102754＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've gotten thee posting from fb(a)sponsor.octet.com that are greek to me. Or is it code?

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Double Messages from Ed Carp
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:49 AM 1/5/96, Ed Carp [khijol SysAdmin] wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Ed, I've pointed out to you during our mini-flame war that I've been getting >> 4 copies of your every e-mail: 2 via the cpunks list, 2 directly from your >> box cc:'d to me. You _know_ that I've been getting 2 copies of cc:'s not >> passing through toad.com, that the problem is at your end, and not at >>toad.com, >> and you should _not_ send test posts to cypherpunks. > >The problem is *not* at my end, your ignorance is showing. If it were, >then everyone would be getting 2 copies of everything I send, and that's >simply not true. Some people are getting two copies, but some are only >getting one copy. I have also been getting two copies of most or all of your messages, at least for the past few weeks (since you became active on the list again, I think). I have not been complaining, just deleting the extra copies. In looking at the detailed headers of a pair of such duplicates I see that there may have been some kind of "fork" (not a technical term, just a description) where the two messages (called Blue and Red) differ as follows: Blue Message: Received: from dal1820.computek.net by toad.com id AA01149; Thu, 4 Jan 96 16:49:35 PST Received: (from erc@localhost) by dal1820.computek.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id SAA19801; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:49:29 -0600 Red Message: Received: from dal1820.computek.net by toad.com id AA01148; Thu, 4 Jan 96 16:49:36 PST Received: (from erc@localhost) by dal1820.computek.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id SAA19801; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:49:29 -0600 Only a one-second difference, but the difference grows in later headers. The point is that there were already two slightly difference versions of the message before toad.com was reached. Other subtle differences exist, too. For example: Blue Message: X-UIDL: 820809984.020 Red Message: X-UIDL: 820809984.018 I don't even know what X-UIDL is, but this is a notable difference between the two versions. I suggest you carefully examine the full headers and go from there. It appears that toad.com is only sending two messages because it _received_ two messages. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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