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The Republic of Desire (anonymous organizations)
by allan＠elvis.tamu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Let's start a new topic, and mr. deitwieler is not invited. Has anyone considered how an organization like The Republic of Desire from Gibson's _Virtual Light_ novel could be created/formed? It seems to me that it would be an excellent example and development motive for the crypto-anarchy tools: the DC-net protocol, Zero Knowledge Proofs used for anonymous credentials, reputation-nets/webs-of-trust, etc. etc. My only problem with this is knowing how to organize the "guerilla cell structures" or whatever it was he mentioned. Anyone have a ref for something that discusses guerilla cell organizations? -- Allan Bailey, allan(a)elvis.tamu.edu | "Freedom is not free." Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations | allan.bailey(a)tamu.edu GCS -d+ p--- c++++ l+++ u++ e++ m++ s n+ h+ f g+ w+ t+ r y+ "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." -- George Bernard Shaw "Armadillos....those are the meanest suckers you're ever gonna wanna see... But you gotta kill 'em the first time, otherwise they get this revenge thing in their heads and they come lookin' for ya......." -- (i got this from the 'zine Armadillo Culture)

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Numbered Bank Accounts (Was "privacy and rights")
by an15489＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> >> I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but to the best of my knowledge >> Switzerland no longer allows numbered bank accounts. Also, from >> my studies of international banking, bank secrecy and tax havens, >> I have never seen any reference to numbered bank accounts in >> any country other than Switzerland, including Liechtenstein (although >> Liechtenstein does have better secrecy safeguards than Switzerland. > >"Jack Daniels" has never looked hard enough -- many countries (Austria >comes to mind) allow completely anonymous accounts, with various >degrees of restriction on them. > "Perry Metzger" doesn't carefully read the postings which he directly quotes before passing judgement. I never claimed that nobody offers completely anonymous accounts. I claimed that, to the best of my knowledge, nobody offers the "numbered accounts" that used to be popular in Switzerland. Austria does offer "bearer share" accounts which are completely anonymous, but are quite different than the "numbered accounts" of old-time Switzerland. In a "numbered account", the owner uses a hand-written rendition of the account number as a signature. The hand-written number is compared against bank records to validate the authenticity of the owner. "Bearer share" accounts, which are available in Austria, are issued to the user with some sort of ceritificate of ownership. Anyone (the "bearer") who has possession of the certificate ("share") can withdraw money from the account. No signatures or hand-writen numbers are used to verify the owner. If Austria does offer true numbered accounts, then I stand corrected. "Jack Daniels" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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Forwarded mail from S.Boxx
by Eric Hughes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This one was just too good to resist. Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Delivery-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 01:04:50 -0800 Return-Path: daemon(a)anon.penet.fi To: tcmay(a)netcom.com, hughes(a)soda.berkeley.edu From: an12070(a)anon.penet.fi (S.Boxx) X-Anonymously-To: tcmay@netcom.com,hughes@soda.berkeley.edu Organization: Anonymous contact service Reply-To: an12070(a)anon.penet.fi Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 09:03:32 UTC Subject: an epiphany I've finally figured out your intense loyalty, sensitivity, and secrecy. You're homosexual lovers. Quite a complex and secretive culture, these cypherpunks. I really do wonder what magic the Wizards have truly practiced. Look, if you don't want to tell me, just say so. But could you tell me when you are going to `come out of the closet'? I mean, everyone is going to find out some day, right? Could you at least tell me when the Big Day is? I'm really dying of anticipation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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Re: Guerilla Cells
by Matthew J Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The sendero luminoso in Peru also works this way...Of course if you break their rules, they break your neck! For security reasons each 'member' of the Shining Path is only allowed to know of two other persons in the heirarchy. This makes for good plausible deniability as well as qwik and efficient dissolution. --Matt ______________________________________________________________________________ In defense of liberty, encrypt for all purposes, civil and professional. In defense of privacy, encrypt all correspondence, personal and professional. In defense of sanity, do not encrypt your dry cleaning invoice! ++++++++--------mjmiski(a)macc.wisc.edu (c)1993

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Re: The Republic of Desire (anonymous organizations)
by cfrye＠ciis.mitre.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alan followed up on my three-person cell note with: >This is kind of off-topic, but I thought the classic three-person cell was >as follows: > > A > / \ > B - C > / \ > D G > / \ / \ > E - F H - I > >where a line shows cell membership. So A commands a cell of himself, B and >C but knows no one below. A is either the leader, or is known by one member >above. B knows D is the leader of another cell, but does not know who E and >F are (or even if they exist). Similarly for C. > >This organization is vulnerable in two ways: any one person can give up >three others; and the chain can be followed (e.g. compromising B can lead to >compromising D and then to E, etc.). Because information has to flow >between the cells, there is potential for compromise. Alan's version is correct. Best regards, Curtis D. Frye cfrye(a)ciis.mitre.org "If you think I speak for MITRE, I'll tell you how much they pay me and make you feel foolish."

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Re: hohocon
by smb＠research.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems to me that a simpler solution than challenge-response would be to emultate the tear-sheet crypto systems and just have a series of one-shot passwords generated. Each time you log in, it requires the next password from the sheet, so capturing the old one does no good (just as breaking the one-time codes from tear sheets doesn't help). Now if I could just figure out a simple way to do this on UNIX... See @article{lamport-pw, author = {Leslie Lamport}, journal = {Communications of the ACM}, month = {November}, number = 11, pages = {770--772}, title = {Password Authentciation with Insecure Communication}, volume = 24, year = 1981 } The Bellcore S-Key system implements this scheme, and is, I think, freely available. I know that it's included in TIS's firewall toolkit: \software{ftp.tis.com}{/pub/firewalls/toolkit}

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FCC policy
by George A. Gleason 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Re Strick's item on "used to be legal to listen to anything that passed through your airspace as long as you didn't (divulge or sell)..." Yes this used to be the case. I'm not sure if ECPA is what changed it, but.... there is some hope of getting it changed back again... Bill Clinton just signed a piece of legislation which restored a pre-1990 standard with regard to religious freedom, overturning a more authoritarian standard prmulgated by the Supreme Court in the last couple of years. The critical case involved Native American use of peyote, a sacramental cactus which is also a controlled substance. Anyway, if Clinton is backing efforts to return to older and more libertarian standards in one area, it's worth a try he'd go for it in another area as well. He made a decent statement about how religious freedom is vital to the 1st Amendment, is foundational in our country, and so on; one could make the same case around a freedom to *hear* which is the necessary corrolary to the freedom to speak. -gg

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FTP archive for PGP
by A.J. Janschewitz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry for the list post of a FAQ, but I've been away from this area of the net for a while. What are current ftp sites for PGP? Please reply by direct email ... thanks.

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CELL STRUCTURE
by Sandy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT Reply to: ssandfort(a)attmail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Punksters, Allan Bailey referenced "The Republic of Desire" in Gibson's /Virtual Light/. He asked: Anyone have a ref for something that discusses guerilla cell organizations? One of my all-time favorite books, Heinlein's /The Moon is a Harsh Mistress/, has a great description of how traditional guerilla cells are structured. In addition, he creates a new cell structure based on secure communications in a computer mediated setting that foreshadowed many of the concepts we deal with on this list every day. Free Luna! S a n d y >>>>>> Please send e-mail to: ssandfort(a)attmail.com <<<<<< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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HoHoCon key exchanges
by crunch＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

in relation to the HoHoCOn event... >> >> I am wondering if anyone I plan to bring a (cheap) laptop to I can >> collect and trade (& sign) PGP keys > John Draper has already expressed an interest in having everyone > exchange keys, and will probably mention this during his speech. > I can guarantee there will be numerous laptops, and even full > systems avaialable. Last year, we even had 4-machine internet > site going - hohocon.com. Yeah, it was great for about 5 minutes > until all the power in the wing went out. Yes... And lets have at least SOMEONE who can have a Mac at HoHoCon this time.... Last time there was NOBODY that had one. Yukk!! whatta bummer.... I am also interested if there is any rave taking place on the weekend of the HoHoCon. I sure want to get in some dancing while I'm there :-) .... CC

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