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Minnesota Cypherpunks Get Together and Bull Session
by skaplin＠mirage.skypoint.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well folks, I've been on the list over a year and haven't seen a get together for those of us in MN. So being the masochist that I am, I'm going to try to put one together. Granted it won't be nearly as elaborate as those in the Bay area, but it'll be a start. Tentatively: Date: Saturday March 4, 1995 Place: Applebees - Calhoun Village Shopping Center, Minneapolis Time: 5:00pm 'til they throw us out. This may change, depending on how many (or how few) respond. Let me know if you are interested or have suggestions. This also will be a good opportunity for some key signing too. Sam -- ============================================================================== skaplin(a)skypoint.com | Finger skaplin(a)infinity.c2.org for | a listing of crypto related files PGP encrypted mail is accepted and | available on my auto-responder. preferred. | (Yes...the faqs are there!) | Finger skaplin(a)mirage.skypoint.com for | "...vidi vici veni" - Overheard PGP public key. | outside a Roman brothel. | Fax Number +1 (612) 928-9771 | An UZI beats five aces every time... ============================================================================== Architecture is the art of how to waste space.

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your membership renewal letter
by ssteele＠eff.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

February 1, 1995 Dear David, We received your response to our membership renewal reminder and would like to thank you for taking the time to actually write a letter explaining why you have chosen not to renew. We are sorry that you are unhappy with the role EFF played in the Digital Telephony negotiations. We were not totally comfortable our role, but we do believe we did the right thing and that there would be a much more intrusive bill if EFF had done nothing. However, I'm sure that you've heard the arguments by now, and I'm not writing to change your mind about our role in Digital Telephony but, instead, to let you know about a lawsuit we're about to file against the State Department and others claiming the ITAR listing of encryption as a munition is unconstitutional. Our plaintiff wanted to post an encryption algorithm he developed to sci.crypt. The State Department informed him that he would need an export license before he could post the algorithm on the Net and then told him that he would be denied the license because the algorithm was too strong. We see this as a critical First Amendment challenge to a regulation that undermines secure communications on the networks. The suit should be filed before the end of the month. We don't expect to please all of the people all of the time, and it is clear that we didn't please you with Digital Telephony. But we really are trying to make Cyberspace a better place to be, and we hope you'll reconsider your decision regarding your renewal. You can earmark your contribution to be applied only to litigation or some other particular function, if that would make you feel more comfortable. Take care. Sincerely, Shari ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shari Steele, Director of Legal Services ssteele(a)eff.org Electronic Frontier Foundation 202/861-7700 (voice) 1667 K Street, N.W., Suite 801 202/861-1258 (fax) Washington, DC 20006-1605 202/861-1224 (BBS)

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Mystery files in the incoming/ directory
by Eric Hughes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm doing some archive maintenance at long last. Be warned, you can't upload right now because of some mystery configuration error that I can't fix myself. What I'm asking about are some files that were not uploaded with descriptions. I'll delete them in a week or so if I haven't got mail indicating what they are. This list is at the bottom of this message. (Yes, some of them are quite old.) Note that the archive maintainers have their own address now (see header). Please use it for all archive maintenance mail. And please read README.UPLOAD if you're going to upload in the future. Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -rw-rw-r-- 1 hughes remailer 119940 May 16 1994 contrib.zip -rw-rw-r-- 1 hughes remailer 16360 Jun 23 1994 cpremailer.tar.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 hughes remailer 68968 Dec 16 09:07 dc-irc.alpha.tar.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 hughes remailer 14946 Dec 1 15:29 mkpgp.txt.uu.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 hughes remailer 75424 May 16 1994 pgp10.zip -rw-rw-r-- 1 hughes remailer 233854 Jul 16 1994 pgpw26.zip -rw-rw-r-- 1 hughes remailer 58033 May 7 1994 pwf11.zip -rw-rw-r-- 1 hughes remailer 2913 Dec 1 15:27 signtools.tgz

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Re: TEMPEST Paper by Former Civilian (1/2)
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sigh. Some anonymous poster drags up "Christopher Seline"'s wildly inaccurate article about TEMPEST. Aside from having a reverse- engineered deacronymization of TEMPEST (which isn't an acronym and isn't about Transient Electromagnetic Pulses), misunderstanding TEMPEST certification, not getting its legalities right, it's in general just plain confused and sensationalist. Bill

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Archives
by cactus＠seabsd.hks.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- (Add to the list of things to do: make a recurring post describing cpunk services available at various places, incl. c2.org, ftp.csua.berkeley.edu, hks.net, Tim's Cyphernomicon, etc. Anybody else willing to put the whole burrito together, or should I add it to my TODO list?) Somebody asked where the cypherpunks archives are. Recent traffic is available via nntp from news://nntp.hks.net/hks.lists.cypherpunks; Traffic older than that, back to June 94 at news://nntp.hks.net/hks.lists.cypherpunks-archive, and back to the beginning of the list from ftp://ftp.hks.net/cypherpunks/All/cypherpunks.archive.[0-3].gz The archives are extrememly difficult to navigate through right now, but the raw material is there and available. One of these days I will finish the harvest and/or hypermail installation to facilitate access. - - -- Todd Masco | "No matter how peculiar the medium or incongruous the scale, cactus(a)hks.net | the instinct to build persists." - Joy Of Cooking Cactus' Homepage - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLz+PFRNhgovrPB7dAQHc1gP/WSdhsJ7l0LpnEGm8wFBHrBcf4r9ujv7M OpK6SrfV1/ail5eWZN3waZWgMRzxLxVIkxk7cIILMWo7rZgwM3j50UH6VULWX+8f o8XBUsKqKxf2UYsm1Ew92HAXdgZgAHj+L2s3L38t2mFxuobK2JhB2+slFC4JEa1P nBKVgd0O8P0= =5DSV - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLz/IrioZzwIn1bdtAQExxAGAptVJi2VmN3g+5zH21/GkBI4mft0Ww/S0 ufiqJkfGVSB50HPrKcvyCLmVPq+lcc9s =vg0X -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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perry@imsi.comRe: Does PGP scale well?
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > I was just reading RFC1034 about DNS, and one thing I noted was that > > there is a "reverse lookup" feature. [....] > > The RFC did not make it very clear how this is done. Does this use a > > "flat" database? > > No. Its fully distributed. The fact that networks are assigned in > heirarchical chunks should explain how its done, and why the bytes get > reversed for the lookup. As an example, MIT owns network 18, which is > to say that all MIT addresses are 18.XXX.XXX.XXX, and 18.IN-ADDR.ARPA > is a server at MIT. MIT may have sub-servers beyond that level, but > DNS makes us oblivious to this. Of course, that's more useful for MIT, which owns Network 18, than for the thousands of people on networks 192.xxx.xxx; reverse lookups don't seem as reliable for Class C. On the site I run, I implement reverse lookups for my subnet, and the folks who run our larger internal net have pointers that know how to find it. But DNS would work for forward lookups even if the reverse weren't maintained, or deliberately omitted some parts for security/predictability reasons.

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Re: CDT POLICY POST No.2 -- X9 TO DEVELOP TRIPLE-DES STANDARDS
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yahoo! > From: Jack Repenning <jackr(a)dblues.engr.sgi.com> > In a November letter to committee members, the NSA > threatened to prevent the export of triple- DES, citing > existing US law and potential threats to national > security (see attached NSA letter). > Oh, no, surely not. There must be some misunderstanding here - > they *promised* they wouldn't block export of non-Clipper > things. They wouldn't lie! There's already some extra slack in the law and the official policy for exporting encryption for use in banking; the NSA could get around it by asking the banking regulators to impose some sort of Key Forfeiture nonsense, which wouldn't lose much privacy since most banks are already pretty cooperative about such things. On the other hand, banks are rich enough to hire some off-shore programmer to write triple-DES implementations, given the current protocols, as well as to lobby CONgress or the administration to keep the NSA in line.

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Re: MIME based remailing commands
by Nathaniel Borenstein 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Excerpts from mail: 12-Feb-95 Re: MIME based remailing co.. Rick Busdiecker(a)lehman.c (1544) > Well, I have no idea why you think that MIME is an "atrocity" or > "slime", but it is perfectly clear that you have no idea what it > actually *is*, since "X-" headers have nothing whatsoever to do with > MIME. The "X-" headers are defined by RFC 822, which has been the > standard for Internet mail formats since 1982. > You base a large conclusion on a small piece of data in combination > with some poor duduction. Unless you are claiming that MIME violates > RFC 822 with respect to the handling of X- headers you have made a > number of false claims in the paragraph above. A very interesting claim. Care to tell me what my "false claims" are, or is it a secret? > It is possible for someone to find > ugliness where you find beauty without them necessarily being > uninformed. Of course. Let me tell you, though, what the real "beauty" of MIME is: It is that Internet mail was upgraded from ASCII-text-only to permit multiple character sets, images, audio, video, and arbitrary extensions, WITHOUT breaking any existing standards or software. It is that multimedia mail was defined in such a way that it can cross existing ASCII-to-EBCDIC gateways and all manner of other bizarre mail-eating paths and still be complete and comprehensible on the other end. That's the kind of "beauty" we were aiming at, so if your comments are geared to any specific technical aspects of MIME, this may be the explanation. We considered practical functioning and interoperation to be the operational definition of "beauty". -- Nathaniel

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Re: EPIC to Debate Exon on CNN
by skaplin＠mirage.skypoint.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>On Mon, 13 Feb 1995, Samuel Kaplin wrote: >> A sellout was offered a >> la EFF and DT. Mr. Rotenberg seemed ill prepared and not really >> interested in the issue. > >You expected something different from "EPIC"? > >Cypherpunks are supposed to be paranoid. You are >not paranoid enough. > I don't think paranoia has anything to do with it. I just expect people to do the job that they are supposed to do. IMHO Mr. Rotenberg didn't do his job as well as he should have. I saw numerous opportunities to score salient points and he didn't. What Senator Exon says and what the bill says are two different things. I got the feeling that Senator Exon didn't even understand the ramifications of the bill. The unfortunate part is Joe Blow on the street isn't going to read the bill. He's going to rely on what he has heard. In my opinion Mr. Rottenberg didn't correct Senator Exon forcefully enough. The consumate politician triumphed. Sam

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Re: Laws, Feds, & the Internet
by dls＠mcs.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >"Free" speech has always been a balancing act. The founders >certainly didn't intend to provide "free" speech for blacks and >women. The Founders created a larger space for free speech than had ever existed. Slaves were deprived of many freedoms including speech, of course, but women and free blacks were included in the Bill of Rights and exercised free speech, frequently compellingly. Check out Frederick Douglass' practicing oration while still a slave, and then winning his freedom to become one of the greatest abolitionist orators. Consider the appreciation of diversity of thought and speech manifested by Jefferson, Lincoln and many other American political leaders. > > . . . "They" have never liked "free" speech ... :-( Invoking poitically 'correct' stereotypes does not strengthen your argument. David Sallach -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAy8kkMQAAAEEALKOD1O8IVPKHX2qZa+iRz1gqI+uc5lnPAfGYzBSkKDGDdDO CpZEsblWUkVNdRq/ac5elFFvLAtege+pgWmIFdtPnDtJRhHRjXUjB+aYwzue5+Xb C+FoT0j5jwl356gdNiOgUxTYx1dDMcA+VotjDNDvsai3AQaJZU6BpjnLW0KBAAUR tB5EYXZpZCBMLiBTYWxsYWNoIDxkbHNAbWNzLmNvbT4= =g/d6 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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