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Quadratic residues
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Now is the time for all good little boys to cum in Tim May's big mouth. \|/ /~~~~~~~\ | O O | -ooo-----U-----ooo- Tim May

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Re: OECD crypto policy draft guidelines
by Robin Whittle 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What is this list about?? Religion, the semantics of reality vs. perception or doing something constructive about crypto policy??? The latest draft of the OECD guidelines are now at my WWW site. http://www.ozemail.com.au/~firstpr/crypto/oecd_dr.htm Check them out - especially para 59. All the bad bits have been relegated to debateable things in square brackets. Get your mind into this and get your comments to Marc Rotenberg - who I understand is involved with the OECD crew. So much for "PICS is not censorship" being off topic for this list! - Robin . Robin Whittle . . http://www.ozemail.com.au/~firstpr firstpr(a)ozemail.com.au . . 11 Miller St. Heidelberg Heights 3081 Melbourne Australia . . Ph +61-3-9459-2889 Fax +61-3-9458-1736 . . Consumer advocacy in telecommunications, especially privacy . . . . First Principles - Research and expression - music, . . music industry, telecommunications . . human factors in technology adoption. . . . Real World Interfaces - Hardware and software, especially . . for music .

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Re: Redlining
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 03:05 AM 12/11/96 -0700, drose(a)azstarnet.com wrote: >Many people of good will find racial discrimination to be abhorrent. OTOH, >I'm sure that as an attorney you are cognizant of the fact that financial >institutions have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders. Are you suggesting that a fiduciary responsibility is violated by *not* redlining? I stated before that all *real* qualifying factors remain in force. The only irrelevant method to be eliminated is place of residence. Granted, if a certain bank only made loans through direct mail campaigns or some such, an argument *might* be made that risks are higher in certain residential neighborhoods. Breach of fiduciary duty would be thrown out almost immediately as a claim. > >In any case, have you given any consideration to taking your well-meaning >but off-topic thoughts to any one of a number of perhaps more appropriate fora? > Actually, I mentioned redlining as an aside to a totally different point. Red has asserted, and I tend to agree, that this is actually on point. We are discussing the possibilities of crypto anarchy. Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMq8U4bpijqL8wiT1AQG+KgP9GOTcxgKTqR+AgUf2qiRjO97kV+QdQ7Tq 6PZIjQYmgSM6YS5Yg75A8iSD2soi9ZFfEM++6TGHqCZ1ViLpNTuQZJGjxB3mUs8D U5eYiPmUEw9NC0z0CCwIPFyxouWtL4lhG3rUEopLuUuqB1OwPkbShIddkGxYRnqt prsuIc6m314= =zUqA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The Redlining Topic
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:05 AM 12/11/1996, drose(a)AZStarNet.com wrote: >Matthew J. Miszewski wrote: >Many people of good will find racial discrimination to be abhorrent. >OTOH, I'm sure that as an attorney you are cognizant of the fact that >financial institutions have a fiduciary responsibility to their >shareholders. > >In any case, have you given any consideration to taking your >well-meaning but off-topic thoughts to any one of a number of perhaps >more appropriate fora? A discussion of redlining is very much on topic for cypherpunks. Capital markets and their (alleged) inefficiencies are very close to the heart of cypherpunk thinking. A thread we haven't pursued, but will likely get to, is the ways in which inefficiencies are typically introduced by the government, even in the case of redlining. After that point is made, a discussion of the ways in which cryptoanarchy will circumvent governmental scheming will certainly be germane to this forum. Discussions of the nature of bigotry and racial discrimination lie very close to the cypherpunk thinking. In a cryptoanarchy it will be very hard to enforce our ideas of what other people should think. Affirmative action, anti-redlining laws, etc., will likely become far less effective. Disaster? No, a blow struck for human dignity and freedom. Similarly, allegedly well-meaning programs to help the poor through seizure of other people's assets will not do well in a cryptoanarchy. Is this a terrible outcome? Not really. The reasons why are worth discussing and they are worth discussing in this forum. The cypherpunks list benefits from a wide ranging discussion. This was one of the original ideas of the group and is, presumably, why it is a completely open mailing list. These sorts of complaints are particularly inappropriate now that there are two other restrictive mailing lists available for those who want them. One is coderpunks. The other is Perry Metzger's cryptography list. A wide ranging discussion is beneficial because it allows us to truly explore our ideas. Not only do we then achieve a deeper understanding, but completely new ideas also arise. "Let a hundred flowers bloom, let a hundred schools of thought contend." I note that in your comments above, you couldn't resist making a comment which is, apparently in your view, off topic. I would encourage you to pursue these ideas. You obviously find them interesting. Rather than making killjoy comments, which do nothing to promote the discussion, perhaps you should consider posting long thoughtful posts which you believe would raise the level of discourse in this forum. Barring that, learn how to use a killfile. You can killfile on subject line. You can killfile on origin. (I sign my posts consistenly, so they can be killfiled, even though I am posting through the remailers.) Red Rackham

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Harddisk encryption ??
by Pavel Korensky 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, I am trying to post this message once more. It seems that my first message somehow didn't find the way to the mail-list. I have one problem which I would like to consult with you. I need to protect the data on the computer harddisk against physical theft. Current situation: Computer with several harddisks - approx. 9 GB. On this computer, the following OS are used: Linux, DOS, Windows NT. The data on this computer must be accessible from all operating systems. Encryption of files must be transparent to user and encryption algorithm must be "strong". Because I am not able to find any disk encryption software which is able to run on all these platforms, I decided to use the following temporary solution: Add one more computer with Linux OS. On this computer, there will be only a small root partition with necessary Linux components. All other disk space will be encrypted with IDEA, using the /dev/loop. This machine will be some kind of secure file server. On the second machine, where the user works, there will be partitions with operating systems, necessary utilities and the TCP/IP stack for DOS/Windows, NT and Linux. The data and application disks will be mounted via NFS and user will work with files from file server. The computers will be interconnected with Fast Ethernet. This mini-network is NOT connected to the Internet, so the NFS (in)security should not be a problem. Also, both computers will be placed in the same room (distance approx. 3 m), so there should be no problem with tapping/data capturing on the Fast Ethernet connection. I have the following questions. Can anybody see some major security hole in this system ? How fast will be this system ? Anybody has any idea if there is some more sophisticated solution for this problem ? Anybody heard about some strong disk encryption which is able to rund under Windows NT, Linux and DOS ? It seems that the Win NT are the major problem. I am not able to find any disk encryption for NT. Anybody is able to port Secure File System to Windows NT ? I am trying to port this program under Linux, but I am not the NT system programmer. Thanx for any comments, help, ideas etc. Best regards PavelK -- **************************************************************************** * Pavel Korensky (pavelk(a)dator3.anet.cz) * * DATOR3 Ltd., Modranska 1895/17, 143 00 Prague 4, Czech Republic * * PGP key fingerprint: 00 65 5A B3 70 20 F1 54 D3 B3 E4 3E F8 A3 5E 7C * ****************************************************************************

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Re: Redlining
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"mjmiski(a)execpc.com" "Matthew J. Miszewski" 11-DEC-1996 03:35:52.25 >My question was a real one. The basis of it comes from my work with the >homeless in which they have a difficult time getting a job because they >have no "home address" to put on the forms, some do not have or remember >their SSNs, etc. This causes a cyclic problem for the homeless. My >question to Tim was, in the real world, how is the protection of this data >feasible. And what institution ultimately requires the SSN and a considerable number of these other pieces of information? What institution puts a considerable number of roadblocks in the way of getting a post office box, for use as a home address, without a "home address"? >I do have responses to each of your "points" in your last post, but have >found the process of responding point-by-point tedious and non-productive If you've got such responses, please give them. They may very well be tedious; I'd disagree about them being non-productive, based on my past experience. Without such responses from you to some very well-reasoned arguments, we are left with the equivalent of the Feds on cryptography, i.e., "if you knew what we know you'd agree with us." -Allen

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Draft of Commerce Department Crypto Regs (fwd)
by David Lesher / hated by RBOC's in 5 states 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Cindy Cohn <Cindy(a)MCGLASHAN.COM> Subject: Draft of Commerce Department Crypto Regs via: CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM Steptoe and Johnson have kindly posted the draft Commerce Department regulations on encryption exports at http://www.steptoe.com/commerce.htm. Of most interest to those of us concerned about the First Amendment is the provision which eliminates the "publicly available" exception to the EAR and states "controlled software will not be eligible for "publicly available" treatment, even if the source code or object code is published in a book or other mdia." It also eliminates the exceptions for educational information and fundamental research contained in the EAR for source code and object code. I haven't had a chance to review the rest in any detail. Cindy ************************ Cindy A. Cohn McGlashan & Sarrail, P. C. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Java DES breaker?
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's a thought, While Java isn't a workhorse performance wise, it's very simple for anyone with a half decent browser to use java applets. Writing an implementation of DES in Java should be fairly easy, however it will run slow on most browsers. This performance drop will make it far easier for Joe Webuser to easily help break DES for us. Previous efforts at breaking DES and RSA have done quite well, but the number of people involved can be greatly increased if you tell someone just go to this page and leave your browser on overnight, every night. The applets would get a key range from the server, process them, and return a yeah or nay back for however far they manage to process before the user returns in the morning. With JIT's (Just In Time Compilers) and the sheer numbers of users that this can attract, the efforts at breaking weaker cyphers can be increased. =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian | "If you're gonna die, die with your|./|\. ..\|/..|sunder(a)sundernet.com|boots on; If you're gonna try, just |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ |stick around; Gonna cry? Just move along|\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |you're gonna die, you're gonna die!" |.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"| --Iron Maiden "Die With Your Boots on"|..... ======================== http://www.sundernet.com =========================

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WEB: Yahoo/Firefly Website recommendation service
by Alexander Chislenko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Firefly Network Inc. has just launched a public beta of our website recommendation service on My Yahoo! This service is the result of a partnership between Yahoo! Inc. and Firefly Network, Inc. in application of Automated Collaborative Filtering (ACF) technology to the Web. It allows users to find interesting websites interest and like-minded people, and otherwise help the user navigate the vast domain of sites and people in an intelligent and personalized way. To access the service, please go to <http://my.yahoo.com/> and then click on Firefly button (top right). The recommendation system draws its intelligence from users' ratings. At this point, the database is still small, so you may not get recommendations in all categories and the ones you get may not be optimal. However, as the system collects more ratings and learns more about your personal preferences, you will notice better and better performance. Your ratings will be included into the initial rating database and will help shape experience of many people who will come to the system after you, so please be considerate rating sites. If you have any remarks on the quality of the system or its interface, please send a message to <webfly-seeding(a)firefly.net> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alexander Chislenko <sasha1(a)netcom.com> www.lucifer.com/~sasha/home.html Firefly Network, Inc.: <alexc(a)firefly.net> www.ffly.com 617-234-5452 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: soc.culture.belarus
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From belarus(a)solar.rtd.utk.edu Thu Jan 16 04:36:38 1997 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 16 Jan 97 06:36:05 EST for dlv Received: from [198.78.213.165] by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA10669 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Thu, 16 Jan 97 04:36:38 -0500 Message-Id: <9701160936.AA10669(a)uu.psi.com> Received: from (LOCALHOST.rtd.utk.edu) by solar.rtd.utk.edu; Thu, 16 Jan 97 04:33:28 EST Date: Thu, 16 Jan 97 04:33:28 EST Errors-To: kasaty(a)seanet.com Reply-To: belarus(a)solar.rtd.utk.edu Originator: belarus(a)solar.rtd.utk.edu Sender: belarus(a)solar.rtd.utk.edu Precedence: bulk From: "GWDVMS::IFEDCHE" <ifedche(a)gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de> To: Multiple recipients of list <belarus(a)solar.rtd.utk.edu> Subject: RE: soc.culture.belarus X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0b -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: BELARUS issues and communication :Can anyone tell me if soc.culture.belarus is still active? I have not been able to access this newsgroup for a while now and my service provider hasn't answered my question about this. I originally had to make a request to the ISP to carry the newsgroup but after that, it was ok. I hope it's only coincidental that I lost contact only about one day after I placed a posting on the newsgroup. Barry J Hilchey, <bhilchey(a)sympatico.ca> PO Box 668, St Marys, Ontario, N4X 1B6, Canada: I donn't know exactly what happend to that group, but some time ago I had e-mail exchange with one of the moderators. He complained that they (5 persons or so) are sweating day and night moderating incoming postings. It might be, therefore, that this honorable job of censorship starved this people to death. Igor Fedchenia

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