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Re: Fairy Gold
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> wrote: >Persistent identities suck. Ideas stand or fall on their own. >Reputation capital is fairy gold, evaporating with the morning dew. I do not believe this to be true. Of course, concepts are valid regardless of their source. It would be unwise to take the statements even of established identities on faith. The advantage of persistent identity is that it allows the exploration of more complicated ideas. Use of the persistent identity places a particular post in a greater context. There is only so much that can be done in a single post. It is the mailing list equivalent of a sound bite. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHIGJJaWtjSmRH/5AQEjKQf+MpQ1c+5AgYYynh9bLJi0cmk7Q1+kWdH5 qPbLwvqlnq4LfIjOv9zgcmtjjfu3JL5UVSeUB6W0LDO0t0fwAEvm5SfeLWDAyC62 BfVf+pcNXV15nnkB8j3g9czUdLc5cn+0kYr42VK7G24t4aQyDZo8Je3KkvhWkRKN EUkZBCOMsTbBZClA7Q1DXMJyn4leTjdINm7XR9WobuiWPb1BrUmOSv+Jq1smUtcX QzrY1fRQAVCgO3oBbmE5SG2Hs7ycQ66o3krujzhv2W6KZDlfdXg7jO7Ia62opQ/W cAsWgbZ6bI+FWAcCXUqsvFwL+fCp/cSFcMjn/dgw2ssEAw46TRcn8g== =+mae -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Why can't they have it both ways for this one particular point? For instance, at netlynews.com, we have unmoderated bulletin board areas and "talk about it" sections where we want our readers to be able to speak freely -- no matter what country they're from. -Declan On Fri, 19 Jan 1990, Jonathan Gaw wrote: > I could imagine numerous scenarios where ISPs would prefer the telephone > company analogy of being a passive carrier, as opposed to the publisher > model. can they have it both ways? > > Jonathan Gaw > The Star Tribune > > Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > > My take on it is that overseas citizens have no Constitutional rights. > > However ISPs in the U.S. have rights that U.S. laws recognize and protect. > > > > If a U.S. law prevented an ISP from contracting to put a web site online, > > it would be like a law that prevented a U.S. book company from publishing a > > book penned by a German. Or the Netly News from publishing an article > > written by our London correspondent. Such a law would be facially > > unconstitutional. > > > > Perhaps the analogy between an ISP and publisher is inexact, but that's the > > type of analysis I'd pursue. > > > > -Declan > > > > At 23:33 +0100 11/18/97, Peter Herngaard wrote: > > >Does the First Amendment prevent the Congress from passing > > >a law that would make it illegal for anyone who is outside the United > > >States to > > >set up a web site in the U. S. in violation of a local speechcode? > > >For example, a German nazi organization could establish a WWW site in > > >California out of reach > > >of German law. > > >Would it be constitutional to make a law barring foreign citizens from > > >violating the speech > > >codes of their home countries using a U. S. ISP? > > ------------------------------------------------ > Jonathan Gaw > The Star Tribune > 612-673-4237 (voice) > jgaw(a)startribune.com (e-mail) > 425 Portland Avenue, Minneapolis, MN 55488 > http://www.startribune.com/etherblot > ----- Wasting Digital Bandwidth Since 1986 ----- >

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Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:10:17 -0500 > From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > Subject: Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd) > > At 3:14 pm -0500 on 11/18/97, Jim Choate shows the benefits of being on the > top of a CDR address stack :-) : > > > Um, I believe that went from the late 1500's to the early 1700's at best. > > Nope. Check it out. As defined in any decent book of American history, > well, maybe one that hasn't been too "revised" :-), the "Great Awakening", > which gave us most of our American-flavored religions, happened in the > early part of the 19th century, though rumblings started shortly after the > revolution. I did a little web-search (still being at work and deprived of my library) but what I can find clearly indicates the 'Great Awakening' was fininished by the mid to late 1750's. Most of the sources that I found from Alta Vista give the beginning of the Great Awakening as the late 1600's to early 1700's. While I clearly put the beginning of the movement too early (I always get this confused with the beacon on the hill jive) all the evidence that I can gather shows that it did *not* extend into any part of the 1800's. As I understood the movement it didn't survive the American War of Indipendance. I used Alta Vista and search terms of 'great' & 'awakening'. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mr. Geiger writes: >I think that there is plenty of case law of extending constutional >protections to non-citizens. One that comes to mind were the rulings >against California inwhich the courts ruled the they were obligated to >provide schooling and social services to illegal aliens (a really fucked >rulling IMNSHO but if some good can come out of it no sense not making use >of it). But that applied to non-citizens on US soil. IIRC, it removed the distinction between "good aliens" (i.e., those who had green cards) and "bad aliens" where availability of services was concerned. I don't think non-citizens who aren't on US soil have any particular protection under US law. They can bring a lawsuit against the US or a US entity, but I think that's about it (cf. Jim Choate's posting of the relevant Constitutional sections).

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CABLE descrambler plans!
by builders＠firstgear.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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It seemed like a good idea at the time...
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It was a pretty simple plan. First, I stripped naked and painted myself blue. Then, I stood on my head and started sending posts to the CypherPunks list. Soon, I would be declared 'The Craziest Fucker on the InterNet' and be the host of talk-shows across the nation. Letterman, Leno, Springer-- they would all be begging for my presence on their programs. Little did I realize that my outrageous, insane offerings would be trumped, time and time again, by seemingly average folks who held down 'day jobs' in the heart of the mainstream computer industry. Despite the widespread media coverage given to the homeless people who wander the streets of America, babbling nonsensically to all who will listen, as a result of the government abandoning the funding of homes for the mentally ill and turning them out into the street...the media is obviously ignoring the 'success stories' of those who have managed to work their way into the heart of the computer industy, advancing their corporate status by mandating compliance with offically approved vaporware, and substituting membership in the CypherPunks mailing list for their previous mind-distorting medications. If it wasn't for Bill Stewart and Bill Frantz constantly referring to me as 'that *normal* guy', I "could'a been a contend'a." TruthMonger

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3rd Great Awakening
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> X-within-URL: http://www.fourthturning.com/html/third_great_awakening.html > The Third Great Awakening (Second Turning, 1886-1908), began with the > Haymarket Riot and the student missionary movement, rose with agrarian > protest and labor violence, and climaxed in Bryans revivalist > candidacy (in 1896). Gilded Age realism came under harsh attack from > trust-blasting muckrakers, Billy Sunday evangelicals, new woman > feminists, and chautauqua dreamers. After radicalizing and splitting > the Progressive movement, the passion cooled when William Howard Taft > succeeded Teddy Roosevelt in the White House.

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Billboards as Sight Bites
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Duncan Frissell wrote: >Tim May wrote: >> It's time to "Just Say No" to the U.N. The John Birch Society makes >> more sense every day. > >US out of the UN and UN out of the US. Yup, seen the billboard. Evidently the JBS is starting a new billboard campaign on December 1st calling for the impeachment of Clinton. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHMDvOFWwZe05jcJAQF88Af9HdeeJWJ6hIzFN2gnBmF7bXtPg+MDWXqr K1GnOaqE+Vt5+GfJ19s4gnYBJwkGStlcVrN3sZDHyMIO5Ok0Zzov9NCCoO0TI4Vu DOEHM3qCnJLG/kfh2fa3GPJAFYxUH6uHyscu+yxhEmlx1AaL+a+A3aGn1nHaODu7 v1bkezS2zHRJ2778Q9kz5UzC7YcPjhIo7bGnxM0Thr/vb3X9o6N0OxzYckuy1WZg e3o2vKsqmOJN+bgIed8+K695zH2suymP5xpou22LGpkkVz8BHKHXKVkrGc/IOEMD c1LmPJjBLHZ32Iw1gifVRaPkfMQzY/gID/p90s3zCGSqQrZjPeArZw== =R7y5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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New Idea to Generate Random Numbers
by James F. Marshall 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:36:08 -0500, Edupage Editors wrote: >RANDOMLY GROOVY >Scientists at Silicon Graphics have taken the mesmerizing flow of the lava >lamp to the next level of utility -- using the favorite fixtures of the '60s >to generate truly random numbers, something computers cannot do. The >process involves using a digital camera to snap periodic shots of six oozing >cylinders, combining those images with electronic noise and converting it >into 1s and 0s, and then using the Secure Hash Algorithm from the National >Institute of Standards and Technologies to compress and scramble the binary >string to create a seed value for a standard random-number generator. >(Scientific American Nov 97) How do I implement this at home? ;*) - -- James F. Marshall, Esq., Pasadena, California Subject "JFM Public Key" for PGP Public Key - -- OS/2 is to Windows as Stradivarius is to Yamaha -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNHJOjDbjGennrhqZAQG9egP/bC1wgxS3y+ce3/T+qNsg2uqNzBm3yLkN W54kSEl+ou18wcdj0sYnsyD6hjJqFbte5jnZ72SKZmX5gufHJgbyadge4QiTwYe8 dbtAgg0R3ycY4Hb8CbCbE6KpWF5WHPs++WZ5oLQ0hCO5JcmK/e6AizxsW1nfR2hZ cAN4xQui6nY= =QgNJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Deductive Reasoning
by goddesshera＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Deductive Reasoning Cypherpunk: "Hi there new neighbor, it sure is a mighty nice day to be moving" Neighbor 1: "Yes, it is and people around here seem extremely friendly" Cypherpunk: "So what is it you do for a living?" Neighbor 1: "I am a professor at the University, I teach deductive reasoning" Cypherpunk: "Deductive reasoning, what is that?" Neighbor 1: "Let me give you and example. I see you have a dog house out back. By that I deduce that you have a dog." Cypherpunk: "That is right" Neighbor 1: "The fact that you have a dog, leads me to deduce that you have a family" Cypherpunk: "Right again" Neighbor 1: "Since you have a family I deduce that you have a wife" Cypherpunk: "Correct" Neighbor 1: "And since you have a wife I can deduce that you are heterosexual." Cypherpunk: "Yup" Neighbor 1: "That is deductive reasoning" Cypherpunk: "Cool" Later that same day Cypherpunk: "Hey I was talking to that new guy who moved in next door" Neighbor 2: "Is he a nice guy?" Cypherpunk: "Yes, and he has an interesting job" Neighbor 2: "Oh, yeah what does he do?" Cypherpunk: "He is a professor of deductive reasoning at the University" Neighbor 2: "Deductive reasoning, what is that" Cypherpunk: "Let me give you an example. Do you have a dog house?" Neighbor 2: "No Cypherpunk: "Fag." This message was automatically remailed. The sender is unknown, unlogged, and nonreplyable. Send complaints and blocking requests to <goddesshera(a)juno.com>.

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