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Re: Adding GPS location to IPv6 header
by Jimmy Hess 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On 11/26/12, Alex <dreamwaverfx(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > This would be great for troubleshooting things...I agree, but other than > that it would create a whole new plethora of privacy concerns. Just about every new technology, IP itself included has privacy concerns, related to it; which is really just a fancy new name for security confidentiality concerns, regarding WHO is doing what things on the network. That doesn't mean you blacklist those technologies.... In fact, in some cases _identification_ of network nodes is a very good thing. I would like very much for spammers to be identifiable, even at the cost of some so-called "privacy" (not that embedding IP location data helps with that).... Heck, HTTPS has privacy concerns, because it requires a certificate, containing personal details of the server to operate. I suppose it would be rather interesting if the certificate contained GPS details as well, if end hosts' IP stacks were required to verify the GPS data is either accurate or not present, and SSL clients were expected to validate that the details in the IP packets matched, and if a list of GPS positions was declared as a critical X509 extension. Then a third-party hosting provider would not be able to be used to spoof a HTTPS site (without the intruder gaining root access, in order to spoof IP packets). The existence of privacy concerns, does not mean you hesitate to implement a protocol in any way, shape or form. Privacy concerns,mean you as a user of that technology, pull out your handy dandy risk calculator, and weight the details carefully consider, what the probability and impact of the various risks actually are -- what bad things can actually happen, if the detail X is exposed, and what (if any) mitigations you choose for your particular scenario. Which will for end users typically involve setting a local policy such as: o Don't turn on the "Populate Packet headers with Location data" Or: o Don't stamp packets with location data, except to trusted hosts, when stamped packets are sent with headers encrypted over VPN in tunnel mode Or: o Introduce sufficient error, that the GPS data does not significantly compromise location -- -JH ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[p2p-hackers] ISOC-Philippines on Pirate Bay, Dr. Potel
by Seth Johnson 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

> http://isoc.ph/portal/2009/04/isoc-philippines-statement-on-pirate-bay-and-… ISOC-Philippines statement on the jail sentence for The Pirate Bay founders and the criminal charges against philosophy professor Horacio Potel By isoc-ph, on April 20, 2009, 2:05 am The Internet Society Philippines (ISOC-PH) Public Policy Principles and activities are based upon a fundamental belief that The Internet is for everyone. ISOC-PH upholds and defends core values that allow people throughout the world to enjoy the benefits of the Internet. Recent developments, however, demonstrate an alarming growth towards a license culture on the Internet, imposed by the criminalization of those whose culture and society advance creativity, innovation and economic opportunity through the values of openness, sharing, education and collaboration. Philosophy professor Horacio Potel from Argentina is facing criminal charges for maintaining a personal and educational website devoted to Spanish translations of works by French philosopher Jacques Derrida. A court in Sweden has found the four men behind The Pirate Bay, a file-sharing website, guilty of breaking copyright law and were sentenced to a year in jail and ordered to pay $4.5m (#3m) in damages. The Ability to Share is one of ISOCs core values. The many-to-many architecture of the Internet makes it a powerful tool for sharing, education, and collaboration. It has enabled the global open source community to develop and enhance many of the key components of the Internet, such as the Domain Name System and the World-Wide Web, and has made the vision of digital libraries a reality. To preserve these benefits we will oppose technologies and legislation that would inhibit the freedom to develop and use open source software or limit the well-established concept of fair use, which is essential to scholarship, education, and collaboration. We will also oppose excessively restrictive governmental or private controls on computer hardware or software, telecommunications infrastructure, or Internet content. Such controls and restrictions substantially diminish the social, political, and economic benefits of the Internet. The wire-tapping, searches and seizures, the removal of website content and the criminal charges against professor Potel of the University of Buenos Aires is an onslaught on human rights and academic freedom in Argentina and on the Internet. The police seizures of servers, the enormous bill for damages and the jail sentence on Frederik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, Carl Lundstrom and Peter Sunde is a defiance of the social and cultural institution of file-sharing in Sweden and on the Internet. ISOC-PH founding member and lawyer Michael Dizon writes, Putting greater emphasis on the development of social or community norms and how people can actively participate in the creation of these norms may be more advantageous in advancing creative culture than resorting to contractual agreements. Ideally, laws (and the licenses that seek to enforce rights based on these laws) should embody and uphold the norms and values of a community, and not the other way around. As founding president of the newly rejuvenated ISOC-Philippines Chapter, I would like to dispute some of the statements being made regarding the Pirate Bay trials, in particular, by John Kennedy, Chairman and CEO of the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry. Mr Kennedy says, This is good news for everyone, in Sweden and internationally, who is making a living or a business from creative activity and who needs to know their rights will protected by law. In keeping with the ISOC-PH mandate, I find it offensive to the diversity of cultures on the Internet the claim that the global model of copyright protection being imposed upon the developers and users of the Internet is good news for everyone. I also find it hard to accept the sincerity of Mr Kennedys statement about making a living or a business from creative activity. In fact only a handful of media corporations have effectively taken over what used to be a very diverse field of creative activity. Such a process of consolidation and privatization has created gross inequality between artists and the big media corporations: relations between artists and recording companies are replete with exploitative contracts and bitter legal struggles for control; and royalties and other earnings from copyright constitute only a fraction of the income of most active professional artists. The Pirate Bay trials and the criminal charges against professor Potel are a threat to academic freedom and free speech, and they undermine the Internet core value of the Ability to Share. If we envision a future in which people in all parts of the world can use the Internet to improve their quality of life, then freedom, and not a license culture, must be obtained for professor Potel, the Pirate Bay founders and the Internet communities of sharing. ISOC-PH calls on all Internet citizens to demand freedom. Fatima Lasay President Internet Society Philippines Chapter http://isoc.ph/portal/ Quezon City, Philippines April 20, 2009 _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list p2p-hackers(a)lists.zooko.com http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[p2p-hackers] ISOC-Philippines on Pirate Bay, Dr. Potel
by Seth Johnson 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

> http://isoc.ph/portal/2009/04/isoc-philippines-statement-on-pirate-bay-and-… ISOC-Philippines statement on the jail sentence for The Pirate Bay founders and the criminal charges against philosophy professor Horacio Potel By isoc-ph, on April 20, 2009, 2:05 am The Internet Society Philippines (ISOC-PH) Public Policy Principles and activities are based upon a fundamental belief that The Internet is for everyone. ISOC-PH upholds and defends core values that allow people throughout the world to enjoy the benefits of the Internet. Recent developments, however, demonstrate an alarming growth towards a license culture on the Internet, imposed by the criminalization of those whose culture and society advance creativity, innovation and economic opportunity through the values of openness, sharing, education and collaboration. Philosophy professor Horacio Potel from Argentina is facing criminal charges for maintaining a personal and educational website devoted to Spanish translations of works by French philosopher Jacques Derrida. A court in Sweden has found the four men behind The Pirate Bay, a file-sharing website, guilty of breaking copyright law and were sentenced to a year in jail and ordered to pay $4.5m (#3m) in damages. The Ability to Share is one of ISOCs core values. The many-to-many architecture of the Internet makes it a powerful tool for sharing, education, and collaboration. It has enabled the global open source community to develop and enhance many of the key components of the Internet, such as the Domain Name System and the World-Wide Web, and has made the vision of digital libraries a reality. To preserve these benefits we will oppose technologies and legislation that would inhibit the freedom to develop and use open source software or limit the well-established concept of fair use, which is essential to scholarship, education, and collaboration. We will also oppose excessively restrictive governmental or private controls on computer hardware or software, telecommunications infrastructure, or Internet content. Such controls and restrictions substantially diminish the social, political, and economic benefits of the Internet. The wire-tapping, searches and seizures, the removal of website content and the criminal charges against professor Potel of the University of Buenos Aires is an onslaught on human rights and academic freedom in Argentina and on the Internet. The police seizures of servers, the enormous bill for damages and the jail sentence on Frederik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, Carl Lundstrom and Peter Sunde is a defiance of the social and cultural institution of file-sharing in Sweden and on the Internet. ISOC-PH founding member and lawyer Michael Dizon writes, Putting greater emphasis on the development of social or community norms and how people can actively participate in the creation of these norms may be more advantageous in advancing creative culture than resorting to contractual agreements. Ideally, laws (and the licenses that seek to enforce rights based on these laws) should embody and uphold the norms and values of a community, and not the other way around. As founding president of the newly rejuvenated ISOC-Philippines Chapter, I would like to dispute some of the statements being made regarding the Pirate Bay trials, in particular, by John Kennedy, Chairman and CEO of the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry. Mr Kennedy says, This is good news for everyone, in Sweden and internationally, who is making a living or a business from creative activity and who needs to know their rights will protected by law. In keeping with the ISOC-PH mandate, I find it offensive to the diversity of cultures on the Internet the claim that the global model of copyright protection being imposed upon the developers and users of the Internet is good news for everyone. I also find it hard to accept the sincerity of Mr Kennedys statement about making a living or a business from creative activity. In fact only a handful of media corporations have effectively taken over what used to be a very diverse field of creative activity. Such a process of consolidation and privatization has created gross inequality between artists and the big media corporations: relations between artists and recording companies are replete with exploitative contracts and bitter legal struggles for control; and royalties and other earnings from copyright constitute only a fraction of the income of most active professional artists. The Pirate Bay trials and the criminal charges against professor Potel are a threat to academic freedom and free speech, and they undermine the Internet core value of the Ability to Share. If we envision a future in which people in all parts of the world can use the Internet to improve their quality of life, then freedom, and not a license culture, must be obtained for professor Potel, the Pirate Bay founders and the Internet communities of sharing. ISOC-PH calls on all Internet citizens to demand freedom. Fatima Lasay President Internet Society Philippines Chapter http://isoc.ph/portal/ Quezon City, Philippines April 20, 2009 _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list p2p-hackers(a)lists.zooko.com http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Package Lists and Configuration
by John Gilmore 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

> I don't think concealing your IP address would protect you against > rocket attacks. As far as I know, there are two ways to locate a > satellite phone that have nothing to do with its IP address. The first > is radio triangulation. The second is the GPS location that the phone > transmits when it connects to the satellite. I have heard from people who ought to know, that a popular satellite phone protocol actually *broadcasts* the reported/calculated location of each phone, in plaintext beacons from the satellite that anyone who tunes to the right frequency can receive. I wonder what sort of NSA influence was used in designing *that* protocol. If you care about location privacy, don't use a satphone. Or hack your phone deeply, to report a false location, perhaps one that belongs to your enemies. John Gilmore _______________________________________________ Freedombox-discuss mailing list Freedombox-discuss(a)lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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US State Department extends FTO list to include Internet sites
by None 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20031010-112733-8086r.htm 4 Jewish Web sites deemed 'terrorist' By Jerry Seper THE WASHINGTON TIMES Four Internet Web sites operated by two extremist Jewish groups have been included by the State Department on its list of "foreign terrorist organizations" the first time the list has been extended to include Internet sites. The four Web sites are: www.newkach.org, www.Kahane.org, www.Kahane.net and www.Kahanetzadak.com, the department said in a notice in the Federal Register. They offer news, commentary and links to other sites of interest to followers of Meir Kahane. The impact of the listing was not immediately clear, since all four sites exist in cyberspace. The designation makes it illegal for persons in the United States to donate money or other material support to the Web sites. The three accessible sites yesterday included information on where contributions could be sent, what items could be donated and offered a number items for sale, including pendants and books.

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FBI trying to get backdoors legislated again
by Scott Bennett 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/fbi-backdoor-access-mail-texts/story?id=11… (Beware of linewrap in the URL.) Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** *********************************************************************** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majordomo(a)torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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FBI trying to get backdoors legislated again
by Scott Bennett 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/fbi-backdoor-access-mail-texts/story?id=11… (Beware of linewrap in the URL.) Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** *********************************************************************** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majordomo(a)torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [FoRK] NarcoGliders, was: Re: Narco Subs - The Triumph of Capitalism
by Damien Morton 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

These guys have a magnesium seawater powered UUV and are getting a 3600km range, with 760L inside the pressure hull. http://202.114.89.60/resource/pdf/2509.pdf <http://202.114.89.60/resource/pdf/2509.pdf>An this is decade old techmology. Some stone age forest dwelling crack zombies could surely bang out something half as efficient, right? On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:39 AM, Damien Morton <dmorton(a)bitfurnace.com>wrote: > Magnesium seawater battery - its pretty much bronze age techmology - > http://www-odp.tamu.edu/publications/191_IR/chap_03/c3_5.htm > > <http://www-odp.tamu.edu/publications/191_IR/chap_03/c3_5.htm>Can melt > down alloy car wheels for a start. Otherwise AZ61 alloy is hardly a > controlled substance. Only other thing you need is twisted > wire titanium brushes with carbon fiber bristles. Easily made in some South > Asian sweatshop, with barely a record kept. > > The electronics is the tricky stuff, but once you get the first one > working, replicating to 1000s is easy enough. Again, south asian sweatshops, > or buying a middle tier chinese RC toy maker isnt out of reach for the South > American combinas. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Stephen Williams <sdw(a)lig.net> wrote: > >> Really 'game over' if our southern businessmen build NarcoGliders... >> No external propellers or emissions of any kind, potential for total >> silence, super efficient long range, easy antenna raising, great depth... >> >> >> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government/5-insanely-cool-robots-youll-desperate… >> >> How many of these have been sold in South America? >> >> Anyway, go iRobot! >> >> On 4/2/11 6:43 PM, Stephen Williams wrote: >> >>> On 4/2/11 6:08 PM, Damien Morton wrote: >>> >>>> When these guys get really smart and start churning out thousands >>>> bathtub >>>> sized robosubs powered by magnesium seawater batteries, it truly is >>>> game-over. Until then, its WW2 tech all the way. >>>> >>>> What the fuck do you do when invaded by swarms of 1000s of silent >>>> robosubs >>>> bearing 50kg of cocaine, swimming up your rivers, your drainage outlets, >>>> your harbours, and your god-damned toilets. >>>> >>> >>> You change the economics... If they're delivering fresh papaya and >>> coffee, it wouldn't be so bad would it? ;-) And we could send back iPads >>> to be good recyclers. If you don't change the economics, then you have to >>> live with the fact that you're always going to be outnumbered and outsmarted >>> by the SillyNarco Valley "startups" of the _deep_ South. >>> >> >> sdw >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FoRK mailing list >> http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork >> > > _______________________________________________ FoRK mailing list http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [FoRK] NarcoGliders, was: Re: Narco Subs - The Triumph of Capitalism
by Damien Morton 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

These guys have a magnesium seawater powered UUV and are getting a 3600km range, with 760L inside the pressure hull. http://202.114.89.60/resource/pdf/2509.pdf <http://202.114.89.60/resource/pdf/2509.pdf>An this is decade old techmology. Some stone age forest dwelling crack zombies could surely bang out something half as efficient, right? On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:39 AM, Damien Morton <dmorton(a)bitfurnace.com>wrote: > Magnesium seawater battery - its pretty much bronze age techmology - > http://www-odp.tamu.edu/publications/191_IR/chap_03/c3_5.htm > > <http://www-odp.tamu.edu/publications/191_IR/chap_03/c3_5.htm>Can melt > down alloy car wheels for a start. Otherwise AZ61 alloy is hardly a > controlled substance. Only other thing you need is twisted > wire titanium brushes with carbon fiber bristles. Easily made in some South > Asian sweatshop, with barely a record kept. > > The electronics is the tricky stuff, but once you get the first one > working, replicating to 1000s is easy enough. Again, south asian sweatshops, > or buying a middle tier chinese RC toy maker isnt out of reach for the South > American combinas. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Stephen Williams <sdw(a)lig.net> wrote: > >> Really 'game over' if our southern businessmen build NarcoGliders... >> No external propellers or emissions of any kind, potential for total >> silence, super efficient long range, easy antenna raising, great depth... >> >> >> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government/5-insanely-cool-robots-youll-desperate… >> >> How many of these have been sold in South America? >> >> Anyway, go iRobot! >> >> On 4/2/11 6:43 PM, Stephen Williams wrote: >> >>> On 4/2/11 6:08 PM, Damien Morton wrote: >>> >>>> When these guys get really smart and start churning out thousands >>>> bathtub >>>> sized robosubs powered by magnesium seawater batteries, it truly is >>>> game-over. Until then, its WW2 tech all the way. >>>> >>>> What the fuck do you do when invaded by swarms of 1000s of silent >>>> robosubs >>>> bearing 50kg of cocaine, swimming up your rivers, your drainage outlets, >>>> your harbours, and your god-damned toilets. >>>> >>> >>> You change the economics... If they're delivering fresh papaya and >>> coffee, it wouldn't be so bad would it? ;-) And we could send back iPads >>> to be good recyclers. If you don't change the economics, then you have to >>> live with the fact that you're always going to be outnumbered and outsmarted >>> by the SillyNarco Valley "startups" of the _deep_ South. >>> >> >> sdw >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FoRK mailing list >> http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork >> > > _______________________________________________ FoRK mailing list http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: 4g hack
by Joakim Aronius 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

* Christopher Morrow (morrowc.lists(a)gmail.com) wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:32 AM, Charles N Wyble > <charles(a)knownelement.com> wrote: > > http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2011/Aug/76 > > > > Wondering what folks think about this? If this was true then we just > > entered a whole new era of mass WAN exploitation. > > > > This isn't really all that new is it? haven't people been able to buy > 3g/pcs/etc antennae and such off ebay for a while and intercept > conversations/data/etc for a long time? GSM was 'hacked' (decrypted > via some rainbow tables) several years ago as well. > > If you ship it over the air and there isn't a reasonable encryption > scheme in place, don't you expect it to be seen? GSM and GPRS are vulnerable to MitM due to lack of two factor authentication etc. WCDMA (3G) and LTE (4G) should be safe as they have much better security. Not sure about 3GPP2 (CDMA) or WiMAX systems, perhaps early version of CDMA has similar problems as GSM. But saying that '4G' is vulnerable is a pretty broad statement as it consists of at least LTE and WiMAX, and some US operators also refer to their WCDMA HSPA as 4G. There is also a difference between 'the standard has security flaws' and 'the operator has deployed an insecure network' as operators might run their network with security features turned off. Anyway, the paranoid should turn of GSM and run WCDMA instead. /Joakim ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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