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by =C2=A0coderman 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On 1/14/16, jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> ... The main criticism I had >> of this was the fact that the system was said to have a minimum bid of 1 >> BTC, which at the time was somewhere around $1000.=C2=A0 This, contrasti= ng with >> my Assassination Politics essay of 1995-96 where I anticipated allowing = bits >> of 10 cents. >> Assassination Market did not explain a lot of what I had considered >> necessary for a functioning such system. How can a potential donor trust= the >> system?=C2=A0 How can a potential 'predictor' trust the system?=C2=A0 Ho= w to collect?I >> never tried to research into this, because I judged that to do so would = be a >> little too 'hot' for me to do. >i am curious how you arrived at a determination of what was "too hot" :)>h= ow do you pick where to draw that line?>*he says with a toe on something ve= ry hot...* It was more of an educated guess. =C2=A0I knew that I hadn't been promoting= AP, yetsomebody was seemingly trying to bring it into reality, or saying t= hey were. =C2=A0Themost likely scenario, given that this person had contact= ed me, is that he (they) weresimply trying to discredit me. =C2=A0To avoid = that happening, and to 'kill two birds withone stone', I threw that hot pot= ato to Andy Greenberg. =C2=A0(I was not at all happy with=C2=A0Greenberg, w= ho greatly misrepresented 'facts' about me in his book). =C2=A0 I figuredth= at Greenberg wouldn't do anything with this contact, which would allow me t= o usehis negligence to discredit him. =C2=A0Very surprisingly, to me, Green= berg actually wrotean article and published in Forbes! =C2=A0Literally with= in hours, many dozen other=C2=A0articles appeared in other media, and in th= e end it probably was hundreds of articlesover the next year or so. >>=C2=A0 Did any donations actually appear on the >> system after its initial announcement?=C2=A0 Did any new names/targets a= ppear? >there were a few targets added, "bid" transactions successful, >yet my attempt to add my own life to list was for naught. :/ >maybe i didn't pay enough... ? =C2=A0>=C2=A0https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi= 1GdZ4JZG73T I expected to, within a few weeks or months, read many articles publishing = details. =C2=A0But no,all the rest were seemingly just rehashes of Greenber= g's. =C2=A0 So, I learned very little. =C2=A0ButI _DID_ learn that that sys= tem wouldn't be successful: =C2=A0At the very least, it would have hadto co= nvince the public that they could trust the system to operate reliably, and= that neveroccurred.The only public criticism I voiced was the fact that th= e system didn't accept individual donationslower than 1 BTC. =C2=A0Most peo= ple would be willing to throw a penny, nickel, dime, quarter, ordollar into= a wishing well. =C2=A0But nearly $1000? =C2=A0Highly unlikely. =C2=A0It wa= s one choice that virtually=C2=A0guaranteed failure, even if everything els= e was done right.=C2=A0I am now, however, paying attention to Auger and Eth= ereum, which if they meet their impliedpromises, will actually do the job. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell ------=_Part_8165805_859808685.1453236891869 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f= ont-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, = sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1= _1453193975825_3000" style=3D"font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2"= face=3D"Arial" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2999" class= =3D""><b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_32522" class=3D""><span id=3D"yui= _3_16_0_1_1453193975825_32521" class=3D"">From:</span></b> coderman &l= t;coderman(a)gmail.com><br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33783" class= =3D""><b id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_3053" class=3D""><sp= an id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_3052" class=3D"">To:</span= ></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_= 1453193975825_33787" class=3D""><br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33789"= class=3D""></font></div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14= 53193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">On 1/14/16, jim bell <<a re= l=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com" target= =3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com" style=3D"color: rgb(25, 106,= 212);" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33792" class=3D"">jdb10987(a)yahoo.c= om</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33794"= class=3D"">>> ... The main criticism I had<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"y= ui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33796" class=3D"">>> of this was the fact t= hat the system was said to have a minimum bid of 1<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"= yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33798" class=3D"">>> BTC, which at the tim= e was somewhere around $1000.  This, contrasting with<br clear=3D"none= " id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33800" class=3D"">>> my Assassinat= ion Politics essay of 1995-96 where I anticipated allowing bits<br clear=3D= "none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33802" class=3D"">>> of 10 ce= nts.<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33804" class=3D"">&= gt;> Assassination Market did not explain a lot of what I had considered= <br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33806" class=3D"">>&= gt; necessary for a functioning such system. How can a potential donor trus= t the<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33808" class=3D"">= >> system?  How can a potential 'predictor' trust the system?&nb= sp; How to collect?I<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_338= 10" class=3D"">>> never tried to research into this, because I judged= that to do so would be a<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_145319397582= 5_33812" class=3D"">>> little too 'hot' for me to do.<br clear=3D"non= e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33814" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" id= =3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33816" class=3D"">>i am curious how you a= rrived at a determination of what was "too hot" :)</div><div class=3D"" id= =3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;= ">>how do you pick where to draw that line?</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"y= iv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&gt= ;*he says with a toe on something very hot...*</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"y= iv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;"><br= id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33821" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" i= d=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"fon= t-size: 16px;">It was more of an educated guess.  I knew that I hadn't= been promoting AP, yet</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_= 1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">somebody was s= eemingly trying to bring it into reality, or saying they were.  The</d= iv><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir= =3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">most likely scenario, given that this p= erson had contacted me, is that he (they) were</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"y= iv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size= : 16px;">simply trying to discredit me.  To avoid that happening, and = to 'kill two birds with</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_= 1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">one stone', I = threw that hot potato to Andy Greenberg.  (I was not at all happy with=  </div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2= 964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">Greenberg, who greatly misrepre= sented 'facts' about me in his book).   I figured</div><div class=3D""= id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"f= ont-size: 16px;">that Greenberg wouldn't do anything with this contact, whi= ch would allow me to use</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0= _1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">his negligenc= e to discredit him.  Very surprisingly, to me, Greenberg actually wrot= e</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" = dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">an article and published in Forbes! =  Literally within hours, many dozen other </div><div class=3D"" i= d=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"fon= t-size: 16px;">articles appeared in other media, and in the end it probably= was hundreds of articles</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_= 0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">over the nex= t year or so.</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14531939= 75825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;"><div class=3D"" id=3D"yi= v2501824522yqtfd97789"><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_= 33836" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33838= " class=3D"">>>  Did any donations actually appear on the<br cle= ar=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33840" class=3D"">>> sys= tem after its initial announcement?  Did any new names/targets appear?= </div><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33842" class=3D""= >>there were a few targets added, "bid" transactions successful,<br clea= r=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33844" class=3D"">>yet my at= tempt to add my own life to list was for naught. :/<br clear=3D"none" id=3D= "yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33846" class=3D"">>maybe i didn't pay enough= ... ?<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33848" class=3D"">=  > <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href= =3D"https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi1GdZ4JZG7= 3T" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_3242" style=3D"color: rgb= (25, 106, 212);" class=3D"">https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm= 6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi1GdZ4JZG73T</a></div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_= 3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;"><br id= =3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33852" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" id= =3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font= -size: 16px;">I expected to, within a few weeks or months, read many articl= es publishing details.  But no,</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv25018245= 22yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">a= ll the rest were seemingly just rehashes of Greenberg's.   So, I learn= ed very little.  But</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_= 0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">I _DID_ lear= n that that system wouldn't be successful:  At the very least, it woul= d have had</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14531939758= 25_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">to convince the public that= they could trust the system to operate reliably, and that never</div><div = class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" = style=3D"font-size: 16px;">occurred.</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv25018245= 22yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">T= he only public criticism I voiced was the fact that the system didn't accep= t individual donations</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1= _1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">lower than 1 BT= C.  Most people would be willing to throw a penny, nickel, dime, quart= er, or</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2= 964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">dollar into a wishing well. &nb= sp;But nearly $1000?  Highly unlikely.  It was one choice that vi= rtually </div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14531939= 75825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">guaranteed failure, even= if everything else was done right.</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv250182452= 2yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&n= bsp;I am now, however, paying attention to Auger and Ethereum, which if the= y meet their implied</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1= 453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">promises, will ac= tually do the job.<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33865= " class=3D"">        Jim Bell<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"y= ui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33867" class=3D""><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv250182= 4522yqtfd92150" dir=3D"ltr"><br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33870" cla= ss=3D""></div></div></div></body></html> ------=_Part_8165805_859808685.1453236891869--

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by =C2=A0coderman 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On 1/14/16, jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> ... The main criticism I had >> of this was the fact that the system was said to have a minimum bid of 1 >> BTC, which at the time was somewhere around $1000.=C2=A0 This, contrasti= ng with >> my Assassination Politics essay of 1995-96 where I anticipated allowing = bits >> of 10 cents. >> Assassination Market did not explain a lot of what I had considered >> necessary for a functioning such system. How can a potential donor trust= the >> system?=C2=A0 How can a potential 'predictor' trust the system?=C2=A0 Ho= w to collect?I >> never tried to research into this, because I judged that to do so would = be a >> little too 'hot' for me to do. >i am curious how you arrived at a determination of what was "too hot" :)>h= ow do you pick where to draw that line?>*he says with a toe on something ve= ry hot...* It was more of an educated guess. =C2=A0I knew that I hadn't been promoting= AP, yetsomebody was seemingly trying to bring it into reality, or saying t= hey were. =C2=A0Themost likely scenario, given that this person had contact= ed me, is that he (they) weresimply trying to discredit me. =C2=A0To avoid = that happening, and to 'kill two birds withone stone', I threw that hot pot= ato to Andy Greenberg. =C2=A0(I was not at all happy with=C2=A0Greenberg, w= ho greatly misrepresented 'facts' about me in his book). =C2=A0 I figuredth= at Greenberg wouldn't do anything with this contact, which would allow me t= o usehis negligence to discredit him. =C2=A0Very surprisingly, to me, Green= berg actually wrotean article and published in Forbes! =C2=A0Literally with= in hours, many dozen other=C2=A0articles appeared in other media, and in th= e end it probably was hundreds of articlesover the next year or so. >>=C2=A0 Did any donations actually appear on the >> system after its initial announcement?=C2=A0 Did any new names/targets a= ppear? >there were a few targets added, "bid" transactions successful, >yet my attempt to add my own life to list was for naught. :/ >maybe i didn't pay enough... ? =C2=A0>=C2=A0https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi= 1GdZ4JZG73T I expected to, within a few weeks or months, read many articles publishing = details. =C2=A0But no,all the rest were seemingly just rehashes of Greenber= g's. =C2=A0 So, I learned very little. =C2=A0ButI _DID_ learn that that sys= tem wouldn't be successful: =C2=A0At the very least, it would have hadto co= nvince the public that they could trust the system to operate reliably, and= that neveroccurred.The only public criticism I voiced was the fact that th= e system didn't accept individual donationslower than 1 BTC. =C2=A0Most peo= ple would be willing to throw a penny, nickel, dime, quarter, ordollar into= a wishing well. =C2=A0But nearly $1000? =C2=A0Highly unlikely. =C2=A0It wa= s one choice that virtually=C2=A0guaranteed failure, even if everything els= e was done right.=C2=A0I am now, however, paying attention to Auger and Eth= ereum, which if they meet their impliedpromises, will actually do the job. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell ------=_Part_8165805_859808685.1453236891869 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f= ont-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, = sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1= _1453193975825_3000" style=3D"font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2"= face=3D"Arial" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2999" class= =3D""><b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_32522" class=3D""><span id=3D"yui= _3_16_0_1_1453193975825_32521" class=3D"">From:</span></b> coderman &l= t;coderman(a)gmail.com><br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33783" class= =3D""><b id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_3053" class=3D""><sp= an id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_3052" class=3D"">To:</span= ></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_= 1453193975825_33787" class=3D""><br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33789"= class=3D""></font></div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14= 53193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">On 1/14/16, jim bell <<a re= l=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com" target= =3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com" style=3D"color: rgb(25, 106,= 212);" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33792" class=3D"">jdb10987(a)yahoo.c= om</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33794"= class=3D"">>> ... The main criticism I had<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"y= ui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33796" class=3D"">>> of this was the fact t= hat the system was said to have a minimum bid of 1<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"= yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33798" class=3D"">>> BTC, which at the tim= e was somewhere around $1000.  This, contrasting with<br clear=3D"none= " id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33800" class=3D"">>> my Assassinat= ion Politics essay of 1995-96 where I anticipated allowing bits<br clear=3D= "none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33802" class=3D"">>> of 10 ce= nts.<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33804" class=3D"">&= gt;> Assassination Market did not explain a lot of what I had considered= <br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33806" class=3D"">>&= gt; necessary for a functioning such system. How can a potential donor trus= t the<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33808" class=3D"">= >> system?  How can a potential 'predictor' trust the system?&nb= sp; How to collect?I<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_338= 10" class=3D"">>> never tried to research into this, because I judged= that to do so would be a<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_145319397582= 5_33812" class=3D"">>> little too 'hot' for me to do.<br clear=3D"non= e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33814" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" id= =3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33816" class=3D"">>i am curious how you a= rrived at a determination of what was "too hot" :)</div><div class=3D"" id= =3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;= ">>how do you pick where to draw that line?</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"y= iv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&gt= ;*he says with a toe on something very hot...*</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"y= iv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;"><br= id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33821" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" i= d=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"fon= t-size: 16px;">It was more of an educated guess.  I knew that I hadn't= been promoting AP, yet</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_= 1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">somebody was s= eemingly trying to bring it into reality, or saying they were.  The</d= iv><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir= =3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">most likely scenario, given that this p= erson had contacted me, is that he (they) were</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"y= iv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size= : 16px;">simply trying to discredit me.  To avoid that happening, and = to 'kill two birds with</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_= 1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">one stone', I = threw that hot potato to Andy Greenberg.  (I was not at all happy with=  </div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2= 964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">Greenberg, who greatly misrepre= sented 'facts' about me in his book).   I figured</div><div class=3D""= id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"f= ont-size: 16px;">that Greenberg wouldn't do anything with this contact, whi= ch would allow me to use</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0= _1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">his negligenc= e to discredit him.  Very surprisingly, to me, Greenberg actually wrot= e</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" = dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">an article and published in Forbes! =  Literally within hours, many dozen other </div><div class=3D"" i= d=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"fon= t-size: 16px;">articles appeared in other media, and in the end it probably= was hundreds of articles</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_= 0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">over the nex= t year or so.</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14531939= 75825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;"><div class=3D"" id=3D"yi= v2501824522yqtfd97789"><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_= 33836" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33838= " class=3D"">>>  Did any donations actually appear on the<br cle= ar=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33840" class=3D"">>> sys= tem after its initial announcement?  Did any new names/targets appear?= </div><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33842" class=3D""= >>there were a few targets added, "bid" transactions successful,<br clea= r=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33844" class=3D"">>yet my at= tempt to add my own life to list was for naught. :/<br clear=3D"none" id=3D= "yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33846" class=3D"">>maybe i didn't pay enough= ... ?<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33848" class=3D"">=  > <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href= =3D"https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi1GdZ4JZG7= 3T" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_3242" style=3D"color: rgb= (25, 106, 212);" class=3D"">https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm= 6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi1GdZ4JZG73T</a></div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_= 3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;"><br id= =3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33852" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" id= =3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font= -size: 16px;">I expected to, within a few weeks or months, read many articl= es publishing details.  But no,</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv25018245= 22yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">a= ll the rest were seemingly just rehashes of Greenberg's.   So, I learn= ed very little.  But</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_= 0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">I _DID_ lear= n that that system wouldn't be successful:  At the very least, it woul= d have had</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14531939758= 25_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">to convince the public that= they could trust the system to operate reliably, and that never</div><div = class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" = style=3D"font-size: 16px;">occurred.</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv25018245= 22yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">T= he only public criticism I voiced was the fact that the system didn't accep= t individual donations</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1= _1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">lower than 1 BT= C.  Most people would be willing to throw a penny, nickel, dime, quart= er, or</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2= 964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">dollar into a wishing well. &nb= sp;But nearly $1000?  Highly unlikely.  It was one choice that vi= rtually </div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14531939= 75825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">guaranteed failure, even= if everything else was done right.</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv250182452= 2yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&n= bsp;I am now, however, paying attention to Auger and Ethereum, which if the= y meet their implied</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1= 453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">promises, will ac= tually do the job.<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33865= " class=3D"">        Jim Bell<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"y= ui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33867" class=3D""><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv250182= 4522yqtfd92150" dir=3D"ltr"><br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33870" cla= ss=3D""></div></div></div></body></html> ------=_Part_8165805_859808685.1453236891869--

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On 1/14/16, jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> ... The main criticism I had >> of this was the fact that the system was said to have a minimum bid of 1 >> BTC, which at the time was somewhere around $1000.=C2=A0 This, contrasti= ng with >> my Assassination Politics essay of 1995-96 where I anticipated allowing = bits >> of 10 cents. >> Assassination Market did not explain a lot of what I had considered >> necessary for a functioning such system. How can a potential donor trust= the >> system?=C2=A0 How can a potential 'predictor' trust the system?=C2=A0 Ho= w to collect?I >> never tried to research into this, because I judged that to do so would = be a >> little too 'hot' for me to do. >i am curious how you arrived at a determination of what was "too hot" :)>h= ow do you pick where to draw that line?>*he says with a toe on something ve= ry hot...* It was more of an educated guess. =C2=A0I knew that I hadn't been promoting= AP, yetsomebody was seemingly trying to bring it into reality, or saying t= hey were. =C2=A0Themost likely scenario, given that this person had contact= ed me, is that he (they) weresimply trying to discredit me. =C2=A0To avoid = that happening, and to 'kill two birds withone stone', I threw that hot pot= ato to Andy Greenberg. =C2=A0(I was not at all happy with=C2=A0Greenberg, w= ho greatly misrepresented 'facts' about me in his book). =C2=A0 I figuredth= at Greenberg wouldn't do anything with this contact, which would allow me t= o usehis negligence to discredit him. =C2=A0Very surprisingly, to me, Green= berg actually wrotean article and published in Forbes! =C2=A0Literally with= in hours, many dozen other=C2=A0articles appeared in other media, and in th= e end it probably was hundreds of articlesover the next year or so. >>=C2=A0 Did any donations actually appear on the >> system after its initial announcement?=C2=A0 Did any new names/targets a= ppear? >there were a few targets added, "bid" transactions successful, >yet my attempt to add my own life to list was for naught. :/ >maybe i didn't pay enough... ? =C2=A0>=C2=A0https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi= 1GdZ4JZG73T I expected to, within a few weeks or months, read many articles publishing = details. =C2=A0But no,all the rest were seemingly just rehashes of Greenber= g's. =C2=A0 So, I learned very little. =C2=A0ButI _DID_ learn that that sys= tem wouldn't be successful: =C2=A0At the very least, it would have hadto co= nvince the public that they could trust the system to operate reliably, and= that neveroccurred.The only public criticism I voiced was the fact that th= e system didn't accept individual donationslower than 1 BTC. =C2=A0Most peo= ple would be willing to throw a penny, nickel, dime, quarter, ordollar into= a wishing well. =C2=A0But nearly $1000? =C2=A0Highly unlikely. =C2=A0It wa= s one choice that virtually=C2=A0guaranteed failure, even if everything els= e was done right.=C2=A0I am now, however, paying attention to Auger and Eth= ereum, which if they meet their impliedpromises, will actually do the job. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell ------=_Part_8165805_859808685.1453236891869 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f= ont-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, = sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1= _1453193975825_3000" style=3D"font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2"= face=3D"Arial" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2999" class= =3D""><b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_32522" class=3D""><span id=3D"yui= _3_16_0_1_1453193975825_32521" class=3D"">From:</span></b> coderman &l= t;coderman(a)gmail.com><br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33783" class= =3D""><b id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_3053" class=3D""><sp= an id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_3052" class=3D"">To:</span= ></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_= 1453193975825_33787" class=3D""><br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33789"= class=3D""></font></div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14= 53193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">On 1/14/16, jim bell <<a re= l=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com" target= =3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com" style=3D"color: rgb(25, 106,= 212);" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33792" class=3D"">jdb10987(a)yahoo.c= om</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33794"= class=3D"">>> ... The main criticism I had<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"y= ui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33796" class=3D"">>> of this was the fact t= hat the system was said to have a minimum bid of 1<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"= yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33798" class=3D"">>> BTC, which at the tim= e was somewhere around $1000.  This, contrasting with<br clear=3D"none= " id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33800" class=3D"">>> my Assassinat= ion Politics essay of 1995-96 where I anticipated allowing bits<br clear=3D= "none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33802" class=3D"">>> of 10 ce= nts.<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33804" class=3D"">&= gt;> Assassination Market did not explain a lot of what I had considered= <br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33806" class=3D"">>&= gt; necessary for a functioning such system. How can a potential donor trus= t the<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33808" class=3D"">= >> system?  How can a potential 'predictor' trust the system?&nb= sp; How to collect?I<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_338= 10" class=3D"">>> never tried to research into this, because I judged= that to do so would be a<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_145319397582= 5_33812" class=3D"">>> little too 'hot' for me to do.<br clear=3D"non= e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33814" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" id= =3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33816" class=3D"">>i am curious how you a= rrived at a determination of what was "too hot" :)</div><div class=3D"" id= =3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;= ">>how do you pick where to draw that line?</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"y= iv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&gt= ;*he says with a toe on something very hot...*</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"y= iv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;"><br= id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33821" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" i= d=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"fon= t-size: 16px;">It was more of an educated guess.  I knew that I hadn't= been promoting AP, yet</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_= 1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">somebody was s= eemingly trying to bring it into reality, or saying they were.  The</d= iv><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir= =3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">most likely scenario, given that this p= erson had contacted me, is that he (they) were</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"y= iv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size= : 16px;">simply trying to discredit me.  To avoid that happening, and = to 'kill two birds with</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_= 1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">one stone', I = threw that hot potato to Andy Greenberg.  (I was not at all happy with=  </div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2= 964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">Greenberg, who greatly misrepre= sented 'facts' about me in his book).   I figured</div><div class=3D""= id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"f= ont-size: 16px;">that Greenberg wouldn't do anything with this contact, whi= ch would allow me to use</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0= _1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">his negligenc= e to discredit him.  Very surprisingly, to me, Greenberg actually wrot= e</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" = dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">an article and published in Forbes! =  Literally within hours, many dozen other </div><div class=3D"" i= d=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"fon= t-size: 16px;">articles appeared in other media, and in the end it probably= was hundreds of articles</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_= 0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">over the nex= t year or so.</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14531939= 75825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;"><div class=3D"" id=3D"yi= v2501824522yqtfd97789"><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_= 33836" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33838= " class=3D"">>>  Did any donations actually appear on the<br cle= ar=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33840" class=3D"">>> sys= tem after its initial announcement?  Did any new names/targets appear?= </div><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33842" class=3D""= >>there were a few targets added, "bid" transactions successful,<br clea= r=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33844" class=3D"">>yet my at= tempt to add my own life to list was for naught. :/<br clear=3D"none" id=3D= "yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33846" class=3D"">>maybe i didn't pay enough= ... ?<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33848" class=3D"">=  > <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href= =3D"https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi1GdZ4JZG7= 3T" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_3242" style=3D"color: rgb= (25, 106, 212);" class=3D"">https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm= 6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi1GdZ4JZG73T</a></div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_= 3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;"><br id= =3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33852" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" id= =3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font= -size: 16px;">I expected to, within a few weeks or months, read many articl= es publishing details.  But no,</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv25018245= 22yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">a= ll the rest were seemingly just rehashes of Greenberg's.   So, I learn= ed very little.  But</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_= 0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">I _DID_ lear= n that that system wouldn't be successful:  At the very least, it woul= d have had</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14531939758= 25_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">to convince the public that= they could trust the system to operate reliably, and that never</div><div = class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" = style=3D"font-size: 16px;">occurred.</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv25018245= 22yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">T= he only public criticism I voiced was the fact that the system didn't accep= t individual donations</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1= _1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">lower than 1 BT= C.  Most people would be willing to throw a penny, nickel, dime, quart= er, or</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2= 964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">dollar into a wishing well. &nb= sp;But nearly $1000?  Highly unlikely.  It was one choice that vi= rtually </div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14531939= 75825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">guaranteed failure, even= if everything else was done right.</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv250182452= 2yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&n= bsp;I am now, however, paying attention to Auger and Ethereum, which if the= y meet their implied</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1= 453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">promises, will ac= tually do the job.<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33865= " class=3D"">        Jim Bell<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"y= ui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33867" class=3D""><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv250182= 4522yqtfd92150" dir=3D"ltr"><br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33870" cla= ss=3D""></div></div></div></body></html> ------=_Part_8165805_859808685.1453236891869--

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New Torbutton (1.1.4-alpha)
by Mike Perry 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

As some of you know, I've been working on a security-enhanced version of Torbutton to handle all sorts of anonymity vulnerabilities present in a standard Firefox configuration (see the big fat warning on http://tor.eff.org/download.html.en - the goal is to make all that text irrelevant). I will be presenting this plugin as a part of my talk "Securing the Tor Network" for Black Hat and Defcon. The goal of the extension is to make it possible to use modern websites via Tor without the risk of something reducing your anonymity set or bypassing proxy settings. The major features are: * Disabling plugins while Tor is enabled * Isolating dynamic content to the Tor state at document load * Cookie jars/cookie clearing * Cache management * History Management * User agent spoofing * Timezone spoofing The extension itself, and more information on the individual features/options are available at the horrifyingly stoic homepage: http://torbutton.torproject.org/dev/ Currently, only FireFox 2.0 is supported. Kind-hearted souls are sought to help port to Seamonkey and Thunderbird. Feedback, suggestions, and comments are welcome. Especially if someone could point out what I'm doing wrong with the OpenSearch Google search plugin installations (which are somewhat unrelated, but I figured were worth putting up there, since a major usability complaint is "Why do I get the damn German/Chinese/etc Google with Tor?"). -- Mike Perry Mad Computer Scientist fscked.org evil labs ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: <nettime> Twitter fails to jump to Dept of State's defence.
by John Young 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

WL dark observers want what Twitter offers without signing up, one follower, one cable. A honeypot. SOP. WL knows that and pads the tweets, thumb on the scale. The gaga Assange boytoy promotion is a marketing ploy, him witting or unwitting as his Mom ear-licked her little man, as did Obama's, pretending teenage-grade bedazzle for the horny-pud. No need to recount how age-old this narcotic is. Civilizing begets over-uncivilizing, to wit, obedience innerly driven concealed with high-faluting faux resistance. Higher standards of ethics and morals the advertisements. Could Assange be clearer about what he is up to, an authoritative terrified of being not-god. Same shit is used to hypnotize teenage soldiers and college-bred pilots to RL kill-slaughter with relish -- ever in the national interest or sumpin glorious. Same shit is used to hypnotize suicide bombers and IED mechanics and State Department and CIA pussyfooting vainglory wankers. Panetta a feeble emulator of Hillary as an auto-speed-twatler victim and prick-teasing victimizer, channeling age-old god-fucked Eves and Marys the guys bellow, the girls yelling god's a dickless motherfucker honey. The hoary debate between parental liberty and tweenie freedom is two-backed. The first demands order within constraints of authority, the second, if not a subterfuge or suck-up of authority, bites the hand offered in threatening peace and beneficence, then kisses the hand's mangy ass with mouthngs of ways to kill former friends and supporters who told all to BFF. Insurance pre-positioned is the rat's surefire investment. The WL vile practice of redaction is a sign the fix is in, bribes have been paid to act "responsibly," future celebrity assured. Old timers call that turncoat, themselves having done just that and then paid and pensioned and best-sellered, if not tenured and lecture- circuited, to condemn it. Ellsburg. Chomsky. Sy Hersh. Ex-spies, aka unicorns. None suffer after coming in from the cold. Fake moans of the beastliness known but dare not reveal. To protect the unknowing. To foster unknowiness. To keep the secrets of how sweet it is to be a keeper. Hoo-hah. # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mail.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime(a)kein.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: <nettime> Twitter fails to jump to Dept of State's defence.
by John Young 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

WL dark observers want what Twitter offers without signing up, one follower, one cable. A honeypot. SOP. WL knows that and pads the tweets, thumb on the scale. The gaga Assange boytoy promotion is a marketing ploy, him witting or unwitting as his Mom ear-licked her little man, as did Obama's, pretending teenage-grade bedazzle for the horny-pud. No need to recount how age-old this narcotic is. Civilizing begets over-uncivilizing, to wit, obedience innerly driven concealed with high-faluting faux resistance. Higher standards of ethics and morals the advertisements. Could Assange be clearer about what he is up to, an authoritative terrified of being not-god. Same shit is used to hypnotize teenage soldiers and college-bred pilots to RL kill-slaughter with relish -- ever in the national interest or sumpin glorious. Same shit is used to hypnotize suicide bombers and IED mechanics and State Department and CIA pussyfooting vainglory wankers. Panetta a feeble emulator of Hillary as an auto-speed-twatler victim and prick-teasing victimizer, channeling age-old god-fucked Eves and Marys the guys bellow, the girls yelling god's a dickless motherfucker honey. The hoary debate between parental liberty and tweenie freedom is two-backed. The first demands order within constraints of authority, the second, if not a subterfuge or suck-up of authority, bites the hand offered in threatening peace and beneficence, then kisses the hand's mangy ass with mouthngs of ways to kill former friends and supporters who told all to BFF. Insurance pre-positioned is the rat's surefire investment. The WL vile practice of redaction is a sign the fix is in, bribes have been paid to act "responsibly," future celebrity assured. Old timers call that turncoat, themselves having done just that and then paid and pensioned and best-sellered, if not tenured and lecture- circuited, to condemn it. Ellsburg. Chomsky. Sy Hersh. Ex-spies, aka unicorns. None suffer after coming in from the cold. Fake moans of the beastliness known but dare not reveal. To protect the unknowing. To foster unknowiness. To keep the secrets of how sweet it is to be a keeper. Hoo-hah. # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mail.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime(a)kein.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [Freedombox-discuss] FreedomBox/Unhosted/PageKite for Access Innovation Prize 2012
by Michiel de Jong 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

This is great stuff! On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Nick M. Daly <nick.m.daly(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'd *love* to see Tor and PageKite in the default image. I don't know > if there'll be time/expertise to get Tor into the image before EOY, but > we should be able to include PageKite, if nothing else. Bjarni's two > line install instructions are confounding! :) > > Nick > > 0: http://github.com/nickdaly/freedom-maker > > 1: http://github.com/nickdaly/plinth > > 2: http://github.com/nickdaly/freedombox-privoxy So even though ownCloud has a nicer interface than pyUnhosted, getting apache, sqlite, GD, php5 and ownCloud 4.0.4 all on a device with basically the power of a smartphone might be a bit ambitious. Also, the whole point of the remoteStorage web architecture is that the storage is just dumb storage and that all functionality and actual niceness is in unhosted web apps to which you connect your remoteStorage dynamically, instead of doing server-side webpage generation. So let me think about what steps we would need: - add pagekite and pyUnhosted to the image. - right now pyUnhosted outputs information (including the password you need) to the console. that should be piped somehow to plinth, so that the user can actually see it. - IIUC, for privoxy to work out of the box, we still need a way for the freedombox to become the default proxy for all devices on the wifi. how does that work? The easiest UI for this would be if the freedombox emits a wifi signal. people will understand that. If the freedombox only lets through https and ssh traffic, then this wifi signal can be unencrypted, like for instance the wifi signal at fosdem or other big conferences, so we help with the open wifi movement http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/EFF-Pushes-For-Open-WiFi-Movement-114016 by default (of course if the user is opposed to bandwidth altruism for some reason then they should be able to switch it off in plinth). If the freedombox does not emit its own wifi single, then i cannot see an easy first-use experience, but maybe i'm missing something. - on first use, you would have to opt-in to setting up the public interface to your remoteStorage. so plinth would need a screen that say "choose your username and password at freedomstorage.org (or whatever we call it)", and from that moment on, it would be dialled in there, and ready for connecting your freedombox to unhosted web apps as remoteStorage. - we would have to set up said service, with for instance a 5-year plan included in the purchase of the off-the-shelf device. i know this proposal is only for creating the disk image, but we should also set up a pre-order production chain. As soon as 100 orders are in, we just organize a flashing-weekend, flash 100 devices in an afternoon, and ship them. - if we can resolve the first-use/wifi question then i think putting a box with privoxy+remoteStorage-through-pagekite on the market should be achievable. _______________________________________________ Freedombox-discuss mailing list Freedombox-discuss(a)lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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by =C2=A0coderman 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On 1/14/16, jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> ... The main criticism I had >> of this was the fact that the system was said to have a minimum bid of 1 >> BTC, which at the time was somewhere around $1000.=C2=A0 This, contrasti= ng with >> my Assassination Politics essay of 1995-96 where I anticipated allowing = bits >> of 10 cents. >> Assassination Market did not explain a lot of what I had considered >> necessary for a functioning such system. How can a potential donor trust= the >> system?=C2=A0 How can a potential 'predictor' trust the system?=C2=A0 Ho= w to collect?I >> never tried to research into this, because I judged that to do so would = be a >> little too 'hot' for me to do. >i am curious how you arrived at a determination of what was "too hot" :)>h= ow do you pick where to draw that line?>*he says with a toe on something ve= ry hot...* It was more of an educated guess. =C2=A0I knew that I hadn't been promoting= AP, yetsomebody was seemingly trying to bring it into reality, or saying t= hey were. =C2=A0Themost likely scenario, given that this person had contact= ed me, is that he (they) weresimply trying to discredit me. =C2=A0To avoid = that happening, and to 'kill two birds withone stone', I threw that hot pot= ato to Andy Greenberg. =C2=A0(I was not at all happy with=C2=A0Greenberg, w= ho greatly misrepresented 'facts' about me in his book). =C2=A0 I figuredth= at Greenberg wouldn't do anything with this contact, which would allow me t= o usehis negligence to discredit him. =C2=A0Very surprisingly, to me, Green= berg actually wrotean article and published in Forbes! =C2=A0Literally with= in hours, many dozen other=C2=A0articles appeared in other media, and in th= e end it probably was hundreds of articlesover the next year or so. >>=C2=A0 Did any donations actually appear on the >> system after its initial announcement?=C2=A0 Did any new names/targets a= ppear? >there were a few targets added, "bid" transactions successful, >yet my attempt to add my own life to list was for naught. :/ >maybe i didn't pay enough... ? =C2=A0>=C2=A0https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi= 1GdZ4JZG73T I expected to, within a few weeks or months, read many articles publishing = details. =C2=A0But no,all the rest were seemingly just rehashes of Greenber= g's. =C2=A0 So, I learned very little. =C2=A0ButI _DID_ learn that that sys= tem wouldn't be successful: =C2=A0At the very least, it would have hadto co= nvince the public that they could trust the system to operate reliably, and= that neveroccurred.The only public criticism I voiced was the fact that th= e system didn't accept individual donationslower than 1 BTC. =C2=A0Most peo= ple would be willing to throw a penny, nickel, dime, quarter, ordollar into= a wishing well. =C2=A0But nearly $1000? =C2=A0Highly unlikely. =C2=A0It wa= s one choice that virtually=C2=A0guaranteed failure, even if everything els= e was done right.=C2=A0I am now, however, paying attention to Auger and Eth= ereum, which if they meet their impliedpromises, will actually do the job. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell ------=_Part_8165805_859808685.1453236891869 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f= ont-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, = sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1= _1453193975825_3000" style=3D"font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2"= face=3D"Arial" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2999" class= =3D""><b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_32522" class=3D""><span id=3D"yui= _3_16_0_1_1453193975825_32521" class=3D"">From:</span></b> coderman &l= t;coderman(a)gmail.com><br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33783" class= =3D""><b id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_3053" class=3D""><sp= an id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_3052" class=3D"">To:</span= ></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_= 1453193975825_33787" class=3D""><br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33789"= class=3D""></font></div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14= 53193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">On 1/14/16, jim bell <<a re= l=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com" target= =3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com" style=3D"color: rgb(25, 106,= 212);" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33792" class=3D"">jdb10987(a)yahoo.c= om</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33794"= class=3D"">>> ... The main criticism I had<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"y= ui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33796" class=3D"">>> of this was the fact t= hat the system was said to have a minimum bid of 1<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"= yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33798" class=3D"">>> BTC, which at the tim= e was somewhere around $1000.  This, contrasting with<br clear=3D"none= " id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33800" class=3D"">>> my Assassinat= ion Politics essay of 1995-96 where I anticipated allowing bits<br clear=3D= "none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33802" class=3D"">>> of 10 ce= nts.<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33804" class=3D"">&= gt;> Assassination Market did not explain a lot of what I had considered= <br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33806" class=3D"">>&= gt; necessary for a functioning such system. How can a potential donor trus= t the<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33808" class=3D"">= >> system?  How can a potential 'predictor' trust the system?&nb= sp; How to collect?I<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_338= 10" class=3D"">>> never tried to research into this, because I judged= that to do so would be a<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_145319397582= 5_33812" class=3D"">>> little too 'hot' for me to do.<br clear=3D"non= e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33814" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" id= =3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33816" class=3D"">>i am curious how you a= rrived at a determination of what was "too hot" :)</div><div class=3D"" id= =3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;= ">>how do you pick where to draw that line?</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"y= iv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&gt= ;*he says with a toe on something very hot...*</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"y= iv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" style=3D"font-size: 16px;"><br= id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33821" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" i= d=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"fon= t-size: 16px;">It was more of an educated guess.  I knew that I hadn't= been promoting AP, yet</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_= 1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">somebody was s= eemingly trying to bring it into reality, or saying they were.  The</d= iv><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir= =3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">most likely scenario, given that this p= erson had contacted me, is that he (they) were</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"y= iv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size= : 16px;">simply trying to discredit me.  To avoid that happening, and = to 'kill two birds with</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_= 1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">one stone', I = threw that hot potato to Andy Greenberg.  (I was not at all happy with=  </div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2= 964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">Greenberg, who greatly misrepre= sented 'facts' about me in his book).   I figured</div><div class=3D""= id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"f= ont-size: 16px;">that Greenberg wouldn't do anything with this contact, whi= ch would allow me to use</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0= _1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">his negligenc= e to discredit him.  Very surprisingly, to me, Greenberg actually wrot= e</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" = dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">an article and published in Forbes! =  Literally within hours, many dozen other </div><div class=3D"" i= d=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"fon= t-size: 16px;">articles appeared in other media, and in the end it probably= was hundreds of articles</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_= 0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">over the nex= t year or so.</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14531939= 75825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;"><div class=3D"" id=3D"yi= v2501824522yqtfd97789"><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_= 33836" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33838= " class=3D"">>>  Did any donations actually appear on the<br cle= ar=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33840" class=3D"">>> sys= tem after its initial announcement?  Did any new names/targets appear?= </div><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33842" class=3D""= >>there were a few targets added, "bid" transactions successful,<br clea= r=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33844" class=3D"">>yet my at= tempt to add my own life to list was for naught. :/<br clear=3D"none" id=3D= "yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33846" class=3D"">>maybe i didn't pay enough= ... ?<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33848" class=3D"">=  > <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href= =3D"https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi1GdZ4JZG7= 3T" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_3242" style=3D"color: rgb= (25, 106, 212);" class=3D"">https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm= 6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi1GdZ4JZG73T</a></div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_= 3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;"><br id= =3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33852" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" id= =3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font= -size: 16px;">I expected to, within a few weeks or months, read many articl= es publishing details.  But no,</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv25018245= 22yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">a= ll the rest were seemingly just rehashes of Greenberg's.   So, I learn= ed very little.  But</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_= 0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">I _DID_ lear= n that that system wouldn't be successful:  At the very least, it woul= d have had</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14531939758= 25_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">to convince the public that= they could trust the system to operate reliably, and that never</div><div = class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" = style=3D"font-size: 16px;">occurred.</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv25018245= 22yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">T= he only public criticism I voiced was the fact that the system didn't accep= t individual donations</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1= _1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">lower than 1 BT= C.  Most people would be willing to throw a penny, nickel, dime, quart= er, or</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2= 964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">dollar into a wishing well. &nb= sp;But nearly $1000?  Highly unlikely.  It was one choice that vi= rtually </div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_14531939= 75825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">guaranteed failure, even= if everything else was done right.</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv250182452= 2yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&n= bsp;I am now, however, paying attention to Auger and Ethereum, which if the= y meet their implied</div><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv2501824522yui_3_16_0_1_1= 453193975825_2964" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">promises, will ac= tually do the job.<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33865= " class=3D"">        Jim Bell<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"y= ui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33867" class=3D""><div class=3D"" id=3D"yiv250182= 4522yqtfd92150" dir=3D"ltr"><br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453193975825_33870" cla= ss=3D""></div></div></div></body></html> ------=_Part_8165805_859808685.1453236891869--

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New Torbutton (1.1.4-alpha)
by Mike Perry 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

As some of you know, I've been working on a security-enhanced version of Torbutton to handle all sorts of anonymity vulnerabilities present in a standard Firefox configuration (see the big fat warning on http://tor.eff.org/download.html.en - the goal is to make all that text irrelevant). I will be presenting this plugin as a part of my talk "Securing the Tor Network" for Black Hat and Defcon. The goal of the extension is to make it possible to use modern websites via Tor without the risk of something reducing your anonymity set or bypassing proxy settings. The major features are: * Disabling plugins while Tor is enabled * Isolating dynamic content to the Tor state at document load * Cookie jars/cookie clearing * Cache management * History Management * User agent spoofing * Timezone spoofing The extension itself, and more information on the individual features/options are available at the horrifyingly stoic homepage: http://torbutton.torproject.org/dev/ Currently, only FireFox 2.0 is supported. Kind-hearted souls are sought to help port to Seamonkey and Thunderbird. Feedback, suggestions, and comments are welcome. Especially if someone could point out what I'm doing wrong with the OpenSearch Google search plugin installations (which are somewhat unrelated, but I figured were worth putting up there, since a major usability complaint is "Why do I get the damn German/Chinese/etc Google with Tor?"). -- Mike Perry Mad Computer Scientist fscked.org evil labs ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[serval-project-dev] Announcing Serval 09.0RC1 - Shiny!
by Romana Challans 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

After several months of exciting development, we are proud to announce the developer release candidate for wider testing of the Serval Mesh 0.90RC1, aka Shiny. It is called Shiny due to the significant and exciting changes we have made. What we need from you now is people to download, install and test. We need you to really use it, and let us know what you think, good or bad. We want to know about all the bugs and issues, but we also want to know what you like about it. If you donbt discover any show stopping bugs, we hope to release this version into Google Play by the 25th January. Download links and other resources at: http://www.servalproject.org/archives/1021 Thank you all for staying on this journey with us! Romana:) Romana Challans Co-founder & UI/UX Lead http://servalproject.org Phone : (+61) 0403865721 Skype : timelady -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Serval Project Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to serval-project-developers(a)googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to serval-project-developers+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/serval-project-developers?hl=en. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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