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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:28 PM 12/4/1996, Andrew Loewenstern wrote: >nobody writes: >> She is seen as "one of us" because she wrote a book on >> cryptography. As a consequence, she is seen as a traitor. >> I am not endorsing this view. > >She didn't just write a book on cryptography, but several books. She is also >the Chairperson (eek, PC titles...) of the CS department at Georgetown, a >very respectable institution, and has taught classes there on cryptology. She >has also done research on crytpographic access control to databases and other >stuff. So as far as being a cryptologist she is quite learned and should >deserve respect regardless of her political views. > >However, after reviewing the Skipjack algorithm (of course her being invited >to look at it was certainly due to her anti-strong-crypto-for-the-masses >views), she said something to the effect of "We looked at it over the weekend >and couldn't find anything wrong with it, so you should trust it." when she >knows damned well that you can't evaluate a cypher in three days. It is for >this that she no longer deserves respect as a cryptologist. She basically >cashed in her reputation-capital to help the U.S. Govt. dupe the American >people into buying Clipper. Fortunately, we didn't buy it. You make an excellent point. Didn't Denning claim that they just reviewed NSA's evaluation process? Regardless, the claim that SKIPJACK is therefore trustworthy is irresponsible. Sir Galahad

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RE: Arsen
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An unknown person asked: > >Arsen vainly insisted on listing his name in InterNIC's database as RA1215 > >(unusual for someone supposedly interested in privacy). Arsen listed a phone > >number (+1 718 786 4227) which is apparently at his parents' residence (48-2 > >40th St, Apt 2B, Calvary, NY 11104-4111) and a fax number (+1 212 725 6559). > > Where does one find information to recreate your research? I was all > over > InterNIC's websight but could not find anything on RA1215 or Arsen, let > alone > a phone number. Don't these information services rely on user > volunteering > information. If not, how do I make this information about myself > secure? Your tcp/ip package should have a program called 'whois', which goes to internic and searches its database. I'm not sure if MS includes it in NT or whatever you're using... If you can't find it, just telnet to internic.net or rs.internic.net port 43 (important!) and type the string you want to search for. Save the output - it closes the telnet connection after sending it. Yes, it relies on people supplying the information about themselves. Some folks are pretty paranoid about. E.g., fingering unicorn(a)uiuc.edu says: ]---------------------------------------- ] name: You may not view this field. ] department: You may not view this field. ] title: You may not view this field. ] phone: You may not view this field. ] address: You may not view this field. ] other: You may not view this field. ] email to: unicorn(a)uiuc.edu (Not present in entry.) ] public_key: ]You may not view this field. ]---------------------------------------- May not view the public key? Come on.

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Red Letter Day
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An entirely on-topic post from Dimitri: >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: Re: PGP in Russia >From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) >Comments: All power to the ZOG! >Date: Thu, 05 Dec 96 16:36:33 EST >Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y. >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Precedence: bulk > >harka(a)nycmetro.com writes: > >> Hi there, >> >> it's been asked before but I don't know the current answer: Is the use >> of PGP legal in Russia? And if it's not, how are the chances of a >> foreigner in Russia using it anyway to get away with it? > >Cryptography is outlawed in Russia (search the archives for my articles >circa April '95). You can probably get away with using it anyway, but >they just might make an example out of you. :-) > >--- > >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM >Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The lottery is a tax on | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | those who can't do math. | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | - Who 1st said this? | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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cypher-PUNKS...
by jc105558＠spruce.hsu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am writing this post to inform subcsribers of this list of the problems I have seen in this service. The number one problem being off subject discussion I understand that the name of this is cypherpunks, but why not put a little more cypher and a lot less punk. I can understand how it can all get started One person posts some intelligent information. Then another replys dissagreeing with the original sender. Then the sender takes it personally, and feels a need to flame the other. There is nothing wrong with flaming a bit, but for the name-sake of this mailer, please post more realevent (or at least interesting) information. Logos take a chill pill. You aren't a policeman. Tim May, do you have anything on subject to discuss? Allright, enough about that. I have a heard of a new encryption style called something like "Zone-redundant" and I was hoping if someone had any information on it? I think it is based on encrypting random pieces of encrypted data, but since I have very VERY little knowledge of the subject (hoping to learn a little from this mailer) I'm not sure. Does anyone have more information on the subject? - James - p.s. Logos, Tim May nothing personal, I hope.

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Re: Stinger Specs
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:08 PM 12/5/96 -0800, Steve Schear wrote: >This has all vanished is our zeal >to protect youth and society from any activity which might lead injury or >misuse. I can't even find a place to buy a niece a real chemistry set as >tort laws have forced them from the market. When considering the plumeting >interest and achievement of our youth in math and science we look nor >further for a reason. When Wernher von Braun (if the reader doesn't know who von Braun was, shame on your teachers. Hint: first human on the Moon.) first became interested in rocketry, he was a student of music. Classical piano, to be exact. He got his hands on a book about using rockets for space exploration. To his dismay, the book was full of mathematical equations. He went to his math teacher, asking him for help with the equations. The teacher must have been of help, since von Braun went on to become the single most knowledgable person in his field. And no, it wasn't piano playing. There is nothing like some real life challenges to spark a young person's mind. Today, conducting the experiments that fueled von Braun's imagination would be a felony. The mere posession of the chemicals he used in his early twenties is illegal. This country has set out on a project to dumb the minds of its young. With great success. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/justforfun/prime.htm

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Re: The Science Generations
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:44 PM 12/5/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >* Generation 1: The kids of the 1920s-40s. The Ernest Lawrences and the >Robert Noyces, who grew up on farms, repairing tractors and farm machinery. >They learned about machinery at a direct level. These were the giants of >the post-war science community, and the founders of modern American chip >companies. > >* Generation 2: The Sputnik generation, of the 1950s-60s. They grew up with >Gilbert chemistry sets, Erector sets, "All About" books, and with constant >exposure to nuclear physics, relativily, molecular biology, etc. These were >the workers who staffed the companies formed by the Noyces and Moores of >the world, and the young scientists who pioneered the use of computers. > >* Generation 3: The computer generation. The 1970s-80s, who grew up with >Commodore PETs and Apple IIs (and some later machines). These are the "new >pioneers" of the 1980s-90s, the Marc Andreesens and the like. I am definitly from Generation 2. I have tried to interest my children in playing with ICs and various electronic pieces. I have also worked hand-in-hand with them, rebuilding auto engines and transmissions. We will see how it plays out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The lottery is a tax on | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | those who can't do math. | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | - Who 1st said this? | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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FW: Dimitri IS Detweiler
by Butler, Scott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Nobody wrote: > >Dimitri Vulis wrote: > >| He he he what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander blah blah > ^^^^^^^^ >| blah intellectual dishonesty blah blah blah typical logorrhetic "cypher >| punk" can't spell his own nym politely. > >There we have it! PROOF that Dimitri is a tentacle of Detweiler. >Own up Dimitri! (sorry for the previous accusation Dale) > If THAT (he he he) is proof that Dimitri is Lance Detwieler then using the same theory, so it Mutley the cartoon dog. Nobody wrote this......I wish they hadn't bothered! > >

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Re: Logos -vs- Vulis
by logos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dale Thorn wrote: > Dimitri Vulis wrote: > > Lame losers who call themselves "cypher punks" and bend > > over for John Gilmore. > It is obvious that you, Dimitri Vulis, intend to be > disruptive to the operation of this list. I have politely > asked you several specific questions about your motives. Sorry for the noise, but could Logos be specific as to the fallacy in each item he/she is addressing? I thought that was the purpose of the Logos character. I indicated in my original post that I would be addressing both logic and decorum. With regard to the questions above, I was asking Dimitri Vulis to give a more detailed explanation of his thinking process. Once some of his assumptions are made explicit, it will be easier to make meaningful comments about the rigor of his reasoning process. It was never my intent to nit pick about every bit of sloppy reasoning by every poster to Cypherpunks. Rather, I am trying to elevate the general level of discourse via selective commentary and (hopefully) by example. If Dale Thorn, or anyone else, feels that a more rigourous attention to logic and/or decorum is called for, I heartily welcome your participation. Logos out

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Encryption/data-changing in russia (fwd)
by gimonca＠skypoint.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 14:23:48 -1000 > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > From: Benjamin Grosman <bgrosman(a)healey.com.au> > Subject: Encryption/data-changing in russia > A friend of mine who is Russian, but lives out here, frequently > corresponds with friends in Russia via email, and in the course of sending > emai, they occasionally send an attachment. However, the attachment that > _all_ his russian friends send, including the ones who use MIME capable > email clients such as Eudora, always, _always_, uuencode files, and they say > they can't do MIME. I am wondering if the encryption/data-changing laws in > Russia are so strict as to disallow MIME encoding even, but still allows UU > for some reason? > Probably has to do with the character set they're using; nothing more. -- Wild new Ubik salad dressing, not | gimonca(a)skypoint.com Italian, not French, but an entirely | Minneapolis MN USA new and different taste treat that's | http://www.skypoint.com/~gimonca waking up the world! | A lean, mean meme machine.

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UNR_avl
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

12-06-96, NYT: Compromise on Encryption Exports Seems to Unravel "We really feel that there has been a bait and switch situation and I'm not going to be silent about it," said Roel Pieper, chief executive and vice chairman of Tandem Computers. A Nov. 15 executive order that transferred export oversight to Commerce contained several new wrinkles that even previous industry supporters consider potential deal breakers. For one thing, the Justice Department would play a consulting role to the Commerce Department, which industry executives see as giving law-enforcement officials too big a role in the export process. And they contend that the order prescribes a system that might enable law-enforcement officials to unscramble messages while they are being transmitted, rather than after the fact, as the IBM compromise had seemed to specify. ----- http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/1206encrypt.html UNR_avl

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