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Re: WANTED: Tolerant, anonymity-friendly news admins
by lcs Remailer Administrator 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

aga <aga(a)dhp.com> writes: > Who attacked the network and for what reason? Well, as best I can tell I've gotten caught in the crossfire of a spam/"anti-spam" spam war. People are forging articles through anonymous remailers to solicit spam to non-spamming customers of "spam-friendly" ISPs, in the hopes of driving those customers away. In other words, a lot of articles are being posted to groups like alt.make.money.fast with headers like: From: customer(a)isp.under.attack (My^ISP^spams^I^should^switch) Then the spam bots collect the addresses, and send lots of mail like To: customer(a)isp.under.attack (My^ISP^spams^I^should^switch) Subject: Great opportunity!!! My^ISP^spams^I^should^switch, I saw your post the other day, and have an oportunity for you that's so good you can't miss it... It would be amusing if it weren't causing me hassles. Ultimately, however, the person doing this is clearly trying to get ISPs to set more restrictive policies about what mail/news customers can send, while knocking off a few anonymous remailers and mail2news gateways in the process. > Well, just who is cutting you off and for what reason? > And what is their telephone number? At issue here are a number of complicated high-level administrative issues. It's not just that someone is trying to pull the plug on me. I've been asked by someone who is not the one getting the phone calls or exerting anti-mail2news pressure if I would stop using MIT news servers. The reason is that that person needs to maintain good relations with the people who are being harassed over the fogery. I don't really want to go into details. The point is that this situation is a lot more subtle than whether the pro-mail2news people can "out-harrass" the people complaining about forgeries. Therefore, I would sincerely appreciate it if you did not try to make any phone calls or do anything to use up any more of these people's time. I fully intend to keep mail2news running, and am just trying to get more news servers (after having lost one) to maintain reliability and strengthen my position. > Just what is your definition of "abuse?" This got answered in a separate message.

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Re: My Departure, Moderation, and "Ownership of the List"
by Mark Grant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, Adam Back wrote: > My vote is for renaming: > `cypherpunks-unedited' -> `cypherpunks' > and `cypherpunks' -> `cypherpunks-edited' I have to agree. I'm only a 'cypherpunk' in the sense of setting up various crypto-related Web sites and writing and giving away thousands of lines of cryptography code rather than regularly posting to the list, but my main concern is that the default for the list has gone from anarchy to moderation. If the users of the list truly believe in anarchistic solutions to problems then the moderated list should exist *in addition* to the unmoderated list, rather than replacing it. In a truly anarchistic society the cypherpunks list would be an unmoderated forum full of spam and opinions related in some way to the list topics and numerous moderators would charge us for their versions of the list in which they simply pass on the messages they like. We could then choose a moderator whose interests are similar to ours and pay them for providing us with apropriate information. IMHO this is the way that mailing lists and Usenet are likely to evolve as they become too large for us to read and react to all posts; we should be in the vanguard of creating appropriate solutions to the problems. Providing a moderated list which saves me from dowloading spam is a worthwhile exercise which is potentially valuable to me (and I'm grateful to Sandy for offering such a service for free), but I do not believe that it should be the default for new subscribers. Mark |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |Mark Grant M.A., U.L.C. EMAIL: mark(a)unicorn.com | |WWW: http://www.unicorn.com/ MAILBOT: bot(a)unicorn.com | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

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Cool Names, Lost in Flames
by Otto Matic 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some time ago Human Gus-Peter wrote something that went like this: > I still think that you should just let your kids run your machine or > just pick the guy with the coolest name, like Attila the Hun or > Genocide or OttOmatic. Thanks, Human Gus-peter. I think my name is cool also. I am only suscribeed to the flames list, because my uncle (a secret guy) reads the CENSORED list. This way we can see what the other secret guys are up to, and what kind of KewL StUfF they throw into the Flames Trashcan. Human Gus-peter, I think you should be very careful. They throw everything you write into the trash. That could mean they are watching you. That could be VERY bad for you. We will see where this message goes. otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------

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Enlightened commentary on Netizen.
by Anil Das 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

First, Rebecca Vesely has a special report, the main thrust of which is that three firms being allowed to export 56 bit encryption indicates flexibility on the part of the government. http://www.netizen.com/netizen/97/05/special2a.html To top it off, here are two gems from the followup discussion. http://www.netizen.com/cgi-bin/interact/replies_all?msg.37387 2. 56 ONLY A SLIGHTLY SMALLER JOKE Ric Allan (ricrok) on Wed, 5 Feb 97 11:53 PST If it takes a college student four hours to break a 40bit code it should take him/her about six hours to do the same to 56bits. Then what excuses are the government and its butt-kissing companies going to give us for not allowing *real* coding? 4. 56bits will not take 6 hours to crack Piers Cawley (pdcawley) on Thu, 6 Feb 97 05:05 PST Rick seems to be missing the point about strong encryption -- the reason that DES/IDEA encryption is hard to crack is because the key system is based on the fact that factoring big numbers is a long, slow tedious process which gets exponentially harder as the length of the number increases. What this means is that it'll probably take the college student, ooh... 24 hours to crack a 56 bit key. However, the question has to be asked, why the fuck should we non US citizens go and buy cryptographic software that is deliberately coded to allow the US government to read our mail? -- Anil Das

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Unix Network Monitor...
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- For those, who might be interested... == Forwarded Message Follows ========================================= Subject: SOFT> The Big Brother Unix Network Monitor Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:26:51 -0600 From: sean(a)iti.qc.ca http://www.iti.qc.ca/iti/users/sean/bb-dnld/ Big Brother is a free web-based Unix network monitoring tool. It watches disk space, CPU loads, important processes, Web servers, and connectivity and can page you if something really horrible happens. Free. Includes all source code. Version 1.03 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEUAgUBMvurZjltEBIEF0MBAQFPiQf3Tj6OUPexsGtM+OPwPzJA0LPnkGjT6xAB qKGDoOXuwbydvg9TQ8WuRqxYau/RucbjjDLeqcx+bsDBZMErsGy2SHN8wScjFsF/ G+60/0SRCFn9nSdqVOic7PL87Djtb9+m4/pPD+f3fWFeJ5o5sOePnkKyqwSKSSpy epxAR6dsb7KZQVsJM3khOqSjQcQf7zaCFYWEqxCft+qw5aaPU9HDXfmjY08uXHa6 DAUCT+gTIfZUdj4KzJKktS6AV+cSQGAPhsn7JrjrVMLcyv7BTcXEJ/yV2I3jEgwx sTP935MvfTYlvfq6dCFgOp/gs9oi2wC6kiQh6nEPHpHJ3yfFu3sv =twyY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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17 Dec '03

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BXA Encryption Regs
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Federal Register: February 7, 1997, Page 5797-5798: Bureau of Export Administration Sensors and Instrumentation Technical Advisory Committee; Partially Closed Meeting A meeting will be held March 4, 1997, 9 a.m., in the Herbert C. Hoover Building, Room 1617M-2, 14th Street between Constitution and Pennsylvania Avenues, N.W., Washington, DC. Agenda, General Session 1. Opening remarks by the Chairman. 2. Report on the status of The Wassenaar Arrangement. 3. Discussion on the Encryption Reg. 4. Presentation of papers or comments by the public. ---------- A bit more on this in the full notice at: http://jya.com/bxa020797.txt ---------- Note: February 13 is the cutoff for comments on EAR for EI: http://jya.com/bxa123096.txt

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Dear Cypherpunks /from NHK Clew
by hanabusa＠bnn-net.or.jp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Cypherpunks, We are a film crew from NHK, Japanese Public Television (Japan's largest TV network). As you may have all seen the announcement posting, we would like to attend tomorrow's CP physical meeting for filming. We consider the "Crypto War" you are all fighting, not only a U.S domestic issue. It is a historic process which would effect the basic order/system of the global network society for the 21st century. In the midst of the ongoing changes of the idea of how a nation, a corporation and an individual ought to be, we would like to portray your assertions and proposals through the discussions of tomorrow's CP meeting, demonstrations, speeches and booings(just kidding..). We assure you all that we will do our best not be of your distractions. (I know you won't, but) I hope you don't show up with a tie and a three piece suit just because you'll be on TV... ;-) We look forward to the usual (or perhaps more than ever) Cypherpunkish meeting tomorrow! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Shuichiro Hanabusa (hanabusa(a)bnn-net.or.jp) Producer/Special Programs NHK Enterprises 21 Inc. Location: San Mateo/Carifornia _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

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Enlightened commentary on Netizen.
by das＠razor.engr.sgi.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

First, Rebecca Vesely has a special report, the main thrust of which is that three firms being allowed to export 56 bit encryption indicates flexibility on the part of the government. http://www.netizen.com/netizen/97/05/special2a.html To top it off, here are two gems from the followup discussion. http://www.netizen.com/cgi-bin/interact/replies_all?msg.37387 2. 56 ONLY A SLIGHTLY SMALLER JOKE Ric Allan (ricrok) on Wed, 5 Feb 97 11:53 PST If it takes a college student four hours to break a 40bit code it should take him/her about six hours to do the same to 56bits. Then what excuses are the government and its butt-kissing companies going to give us for not allowing *real* coding? 4. 56bits will not take 6 hours to crack Piers Cawley (pdcawley) on Thu, 6 Feb 97 05:05 PST Rick seems to be missing the point about strong encryption -- the reason that DES/IDEA encryption is hard to crack is because the key system is based on the fact that factoring big numbers is a long, slow tedious process which gets exponentially harder as the length of the number increases. What this means is that it'll probably take the college student, ooh... 24 hours to crack a 56 bit key. However, the question has to be asked, why the fuck should we non US citizens go and buy cryptographic software that is deliberately coded to allow the US government to read our mail? -- Anil Das

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Re: Metzger, Denninger square off
by Eric Murray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Damaged Justice writes: > > [Forwarded from Wired news. Let's cut to the chase: Which side is in the > right? Who can tell me, in plain and simple language, who is fighting for > individual freedom and property rights, and who is not?] > [LINK] Foes Vow to Take Domain Name Fight to FCC > by Gene Koprowski > > 5:01 pm PST 6 Feb 97 - A proposal by the International Ad Hoc > Committee (IAHC) to expand the number of Internet top-level domain > names is stirring opposition among alternative domain name providers. [..] > Denninger said he received a leaked copy of the IACH proposal earlier > this week, and he and his colleagues are considering bringing their > protests to the FCC. "We're given open access under the telecom law," > says Denninger. "We might talk to the FCC or the Clinton > administration about this." Barring that, Denninger will lobby > Internet service providers around the country, asking them not to > recognize the new GTLDs. "There is no reason to support it. We will do > everything in our power to convince ISPs not to go along," he says. Karl's worried that the new GLTD system might mean that some sites will be unreachable, so he's going to lobby ISPs to not accept the new GLDTs to ensure that sites are unreachable? This reminds me of the Vietnam era "We had to destroy the village in order to save it." If I didn't already think that Karl was an idiot, I'd sure think so after reading this. -- Eric Murray ericm(a)lne.com ericm(a)motorcycle.com http://www.lne.com/ericm PGP keyid:E03F65E5 fingerprint:50 B0 A2 4C 7D 86 FC 03 92 E8 AC E6 7E 27 29 AF

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